{"id":1405,"date":"2011-03-27T18:41:10","date_gmt":"2011-03-27T17:41:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/eltchat.com\/?p=1405"},"modified":"2011-03-27T18:41:10","modified_gmt":"2011-03-27T17:41:10","slug":"addressing-taboo-subjects-in-the-classroom-eltchat-summary-06102010","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/2011\/03\/27\/addressing-taboo-subjects-in-the-classroom-eltchat-summary-06102010\/","title":{"rendered":"Addressing taboo subjects in the classroom #ELTchat Summary 06\/10\/2010"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This is the summary of an #ELTchat from October 2010 &#8211; at that time we had not introduced chat summaries to this blog. Here it is kindly contributed by\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/notanotherteachingblog.edublogs.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ty Kendall<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/TyKendall\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">@TyKendall<\/a> on Twitter. Many thanks, Ty!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The\u00a0chat began with a call to define what subjects are considered to be taboo. Some of the \u201cParsnips\u201d were quickly suggested:<\/p>\n<p>P\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 for Politics<\/p>\n<p>A \u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0for Alcohol<\/p>\n<p>R\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 for Religion<\/p>\n<p>S\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 for Sex<\/p>\n<p>N\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 for Narcotics<\/p>\n<p>I\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 for \u201cisms\u201d<\/p>\n<p>P\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 for Pork<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Other areas were suggested such as swearing, violence,\u00a0sexual orientation and sex outside marriage (and children born out of wedlock), royalty, Darwinism, creationism,\u00a0 ghosts etc.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Some interesting issues were then raised in quick succession:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>\u008c\u00a0 Who defines what is taboo and what isn\u2019t? Teachers? Institutions? Don\u2019t the students have a say?<\/li>\n<li>\u008d\u00a0 What is taboo varies greatly and depends heavily on context and geography.<\/li>\n<li>\u008e\u00a0 The distinction was also drawn between what is actually taboo and what is merely a controversial issue as they are not quite the same thing.<\/li>\n<li>\u008f\u00a0 Topics may be unavoidable, either because students want to talk about them or because they are so pervasive in the mass media.<\/li>\n<li>\u0090\u00a0 Need to differentiate educational contexts (EFL\/ESL\/ESOL) some contexts may be more conducive to teaching taboos than others.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>It was noted that as teachers, we have to be careful not to promote generalisations\/ stereotypes and to avoid upsetting or offending anybody.<\/p>\n<p>The counterpoint to this argument being that not promoting doesn\u2019t necessarily mean not discussing.<\/p>\n<p>A crucial point was raised that if you subscribe to the Kramschian<a href=\"file:\/\/\/C:\/Users\/CELTAT~1\/AppData\/Local\/Temp\/Summary%20for%20ELT%20CHAT%20Taboos.docx#_ftn1\">[1]<\/a> school of thought that language and culture go hand-in-hand, how can you escape such topics and discussions.<\/p>\n<p>Another tweeter hints that there is an element of responsibility to it. That there is a difference between what a teacher brings up in class and what students choose to bring up themselves.<\/p>\n<p>Swearing dominated a large part of the discussion and opinion was divided as to whether teaching swearing is a good idea or not. Much attention was drawn to Michael Swan\u2019s \u201cPractical English Usage\u201d and a nominated chapter in there which deals with taboo language and swearing.\u00a0 No real agreement was reached although the importance of knowing politeness principles (including the appropriacy of swearing perhaps) should be taught to avoid discussions breaking down into lawless brawls.<\/p>\n<h2><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>Questions to ponder about<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>If a student requests to be taught on some taboo or controversial subject, is it the teacher\u2019s duty to comply?<\/li>\n<li>Do we need a policy of teacher protection first? i.e. it was noted that it requires a very open school environment or a very brave teacher to teach certain things freely.<\/li>\n<li>If we are going to avoid exclusion (of students who don\u2019t want to address these issues) is it ever possible to bring them up? (as class-wide consensus is unlikely, depending on your class).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2><\/h2>\n<h2>Advantages<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Using taboo subjects encourages discussion and communication<\/li>\n<li>Prepares students for real-life i.e. in real life they won\u2019t be sheltered from taboo subjects<\/li>\n<li>Can be used positively and effectively if properly contextualised in advance<\/li>\n<li>Obeying the laws of supply and demand, there is a definite demand for taboo topics, especially amongst young adult classes.<\/li>\n<li>Useful pragmatic applications, trains students to work within the confines of a civilised discussion and to be wary of sensitivities, issues of respect for other viewpoints different to your own.<\/li>\n<li>Ensuring materials are appropriate for class (age\/gender\/religion etc)<\/li>\n<li>Be mindful of teacher\u2019s role if discussing taboos, act more as a moderator to avoid projecting your own opinions.<\/li>\n<li>Helped raise awareness of issues the students will definitely encounter outside of the classroom.<\/li>\n<li>\u201cTaboos unplugged\u201d allowing for any taboo topics to arise from your students.<\/li>\n<li>Taboos are a big part of culture and many learners learn the language to access the culture<\/li>\n<li>Allow for comparative analysis i.e. looking at a taboo in the C1 \/ C2 (Culture 1\/Culture 2) as well as L1\/L2.<\/li>\n<li>Popular culture (i.e. movies and songs) are a good gateway to taboo topics.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2><\/h2>\n<h2>Disadvantages<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Reprisals from parents, managers etc and fear of losing your job<\/li>\n<li>Difficult (perhaps ineffectual) to teach a topic if you are treading on egg-shells or tiptoeing around it<\/li>\n<li>By covering taboo topics we may not only be teaching language but inadvertently transmitting our views<\/li>\n<li>May be excluding some students who really aren\u2019t comfortable discussing certain subjects.<\/li>\n<li>By avoiding taboos you are ensuring a lack of authenticity and applicability of language.<\/li>\n<li>Can be a minefield if you are teaching a multi-cultural class as many conflicting ideologies may be floating around.<\/li>\n<li>Consider the teacher \u2013 not all teachers are happy to teach taboos themselves (perhaps due to their own backgrounds and beliefs)<\/li>\n<li>Publishers avoid these topics like the plague, so is it worth it?<\/li>\n<li>Cultural imperialism in danger of rearing its ugly head?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Favourite Tweets:<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" cellpadding=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"55\"><a title=\"View original tweet\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/avealmec\/status\/26554299893\">2:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\"><a title=\"View this user's profile\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/avealmec\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">avealmec<\/a>:<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">If Language is culture, its so difficult no to talk about politics in class&#8230;even though we have to avoid it here in #<a title=\"More info\" href=\"http:\/\/wthashtag.com\/Venezuela\">Venezuela<\/a> #<a title=\"More info\" href=\"http:\/\/wthashtag.com\/ELTchat\">ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"55\"><a title=\"View original tweet\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/cerirhiannon\/status\/26554466004\">2:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\"><a title=\"View this user's profile\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/cerirhiannon\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">cerirhiannon<\/a>:<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">#<a title=\"More info\" href=\"http:\/\/wthashtag.com\/ELTchat\">ELTchat<\/a> I think it&#8217;s often a question of sensitivity 2local culture, coupled w sensitivity 2indiv ss &amp; making the most of closed doors \ud83d\ude09<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"55\"><a title=\"View original tweet\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/englishraven\/status\/26554460906\">2:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\"><a title=\"View this user's profile\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/englishraven\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">englishraven<\/a>:<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">I think there&#8217;s a difference&#8230; between what a teacher brings up in class, and what Ss choose to bring up. #<a title=\"More info\" href=\"http:\/\/wthashtag.com\/ELTChat\">ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"55\"><a title=\"View original tweet\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/vickyloras\/status\/26555487948\">2:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\"><a title=\"View this user's profile\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/vickyloras\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">vickyloras<\/a>:<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">Some of our best lessons w\/Ss were around the film &#8220;Philadelphia&#8221; #<a title=\"More info\" href=\"http:\/\/wthashtag.com\/ELTChat\">ELTChat<\/a> They responded and handled it very well.Learned a lot-me&amp;them.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"55\"><a title=\"View original tweet\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/ELTExperiences\/status\/26555656042\">2:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\"><a title=\"View this user's profile\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/ELTExperiences\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ELTExperiences<\/a>:<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">RT @<a title=\"View Profile\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/englishraven\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">englishraven<\/a>: Interesting&#8230; how taboo bridges the two streams of language and culture, with sometimes uncomfortable ropes. #<a title=\"More info\" href=\"http:\/\/wthashtag.com\/ELTChat\">ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Finally, it was mentioned that if you are thinking about teaching taboo subjects in your classroom there are two commandments:<\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/h1>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>The Two Commandments<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Know thy students<\/strong><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Know thy employer<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 20px; font-weight: bold;\">Resources<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Books:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Practical English Usage,\u00a0Michael Swan.<\/p>\n<p>Taboos and Issues. 2001. MacAndrew &amp; Martinez. Thomson Heinle Language Teaching Publications. 9781899396412<\/p>\n<p><strong>Websites:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/elizabethclaire.com\/store\/esl-textbooks-esl-teacher-resources-elizabeth-claire\/esl-books-cds-games\/dangerous-english-euphemisms-slang-sex-and-bathroom.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dangerous English Book!<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.teachingenglish.org.uk\/think\/articles\/taboo-classroom\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">British Council website<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Blog Post<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/scottthornbury.wordpress.com\/2010\/06\/27\/t-is-for-taboo\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> is for Taboo<\/a> by\u00a0Scott Thornbury<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">by\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/notanotherteachingblog.edublogs.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ty Kendall<\/a>,<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/TyKendall\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">@TyKendall<\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div>\n<p><a href=\"file:\/\/\/C:\/Users\/CELTAT~1\/AppData\/Local\/Temp\/Summary%20for%20ELT%20CHAT%20Taboos.docx#_ftnref1\">[1]<\/a> Clare Kramsch. Language and Culture. OUP. (1998) ISBN: 9780194372145<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is the summary of an #ELTchat from October 2010 &#8211; at that time we had not introduced chat summaries to this blog. Here it is kindly contributed by\u00a0Ty Kendall, @TyKendall on Twitter. Many thanks, Ty! &nbsp; The\u00a0chat began with a call to define what subjects are considered to be taboo. 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