{"id":1547,"date":"2011-04-23T13:36:14","date_gmt":"2011-04-23T12:36:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/eltchat.com\/?p=1547"},"modified":"2011-04-23T13:36:14","modified_gmt":"2011-04-23T12:36:14","slug":"1547","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/2011\/04\/23\/1547\/","title":{"rendered":"Is CLIL the latest bandwagon and should we be wary of jumping on? #ELTCHAT summary 13\/04\/2011"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Ty is \u00a0\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/TyKendall\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">@TyKendall <\/a> on Twitter and this summary was first posted on his blog <a href=\"http:\/\/notanotherteachingblog.edublogs.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">&#8220;Not another teaching Blog<\/a>&#8220;<\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: left;\"><\/h1>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: left;\">Summary<\/h1>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps one of the more unusual ELT chats in that nobody seemed to agree on anything, we were unable to reach a consensus on a satisfactory conceptual definition and the effects of IATEFL were felt as you could practically hear the tumbleweed at 9pm with only a handful of participants (luckily it picked up after 9:05).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Given that a definition was in question throughout the chat, I\u2019ll borrow one from Mary Spratt, writing in English Teaching Professional (Issue 72:January 2011:Page 4).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Spratt\u2019s defines the difference between CLIL and ELT as having divergent aims.\u00a0 In CLIL both\u00a0<a id=\"KonaLink0\" href=\"http:\/\/notanotherteachingblog.edublogs.org\/2011\/04\/15\/eltchat-summary-13042011\/#\"><span style=\"color: blue;\">language<\/span><\/a> and subject are the focus, although the main focus is the subject. She also states that \u201clanguage is used as the medium for learning subject content, and subject content is used as a resource for learning the language.\u201d (2011:4). So she hints here at a reciprocity that exists in CLIL, but is absent in ELT where the focus and aims revolve around language alone (although I think this could be another debate in itself).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Here are some of the main themes from the discussion:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>CLIL is the future and conventional ELT\u00a0<a id=\"KonaLink1\" href=\"http:\/\/notanotherteachingblog.edublogs.org\/2011\/04\/15\/eltchat-summary-13042011\/#\"><span style=\"color: blue;\">teachers<\/span><\/a> should retrain\u2026..or retire!<\/li>\n<li>Very few participants had ANY experience of CLIL itself.<\/li>\n<li>Quite a few participants didn\u2019t even know what CLIL was. (Clearly the CLIL lobby need to improve their PR!)<\/li>\n<li>What about countries (such as Malaysia, Korea and others) that have tried CLIL and are now backtracking the decision. Malaysia is reverting to L1 instruction after 2012 for example.<\/li>\n<li>CLIL in Malaysia was badly implemented as that\u2019s the reason it failed.<\/li>\n<li>Even at primary level CLIL can be difficult (for teachers).<\/li>\n<li>CLIL will suffer as it is rare to find sufficient amount of teachers who are proficient in the language and subject specialists.<\/li>\n<li>How is it any different from regular bi-lingual education?<\/li>\n<li>A teacher of CLIL doesn\u2019t have to be subject experts, they can absorb and exploit the subject knowledge of the students.<\/li>\n<li>Is there a difference between CLIL and ESP?<\/li>\n<li>Perhaps it is better to learn lessons from dogme and have CLIL-moments rather than enforcing entire CLIL syllabi.<\/li>\n<li>Will the students ever be in an environment where they will need to speak about their specialist subject in English? If not, is CLIL somewhat redundant?<\/li>\n<li>Do the students actually want CLIL? Or is it being imposed from above?<\/li>\n<li>Need to distinguish between \u201csoft\u201d CLIL\u00a0 (basically ELT with added content emphasis) and \u201chard\u201d CLIL (priority of content).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>You will notice that there are a fair few questions in there, which kind of sums of the essence of the chat. There were far more questions than answers and when answers did emerge, they were vehemently contested.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>@SueannaN\u00a0 summed the mood up perfectly when at 9:51 she said<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAre we any closer to answering the question that we started with?\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Though @Shaunwilden offered a ray of hope when he commented that even though the chat had ended without a clear resolution, he had found it informative nonetheless.<\/p>\n<p>Though many were unsatisfied with the unanswered question, I think it is better to adopt the philosophy of Tennessee Williams:<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>\u201cLife is an unanswered question, but let\u2019s still believe in the dignity and importance of the question\u201d.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Jeremy Harmer\u2019s blog \u201cto teach English is human, to teach CLIL is divine?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jeremyharmer.wordpress.com\/2011\/01\/25\/to-teach-english-is-human-to-teach-clil-is-divine\/\">http:\/\/jeremyharmer.wordpress.com\/2011\/01\/25\/to-teach-english-is-human-to-teach-clil-is-divine\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Onestopenglish CLIL definition<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.onestopenglish.com\/clil\/what-is-clil\/\">http:\/\/www.onestopenglish.com\/clil\/what-is-clil\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Debate: CLIL: Complementing or Compromising?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.onestopenglish.com\/clil-complementing-or-compromising-english-language-teaching-an-opinion-from-a-clil-biology-teacher\/500975.article\">http:\/\/www.onestopenglish.com\/clil-complementing-or-compromising-english-language-teaching-an-opinion-from-a-clil-biology-teacher\/500975.article<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Here is a selection of some of the comments:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Despite the fact that there were many more on offer, these are some of the most eye-catching comments in the chat:<\/p>\n<p><em>@Shaunwilden<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201cI have attended many CLIL talks but never 100 percent sure what it is\u201d (9:09:23).<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think it shows how confusing the area of CLIL is that ppl have linked to several different definitions, all a bit confusing\u201d (9:31:15).<\/p>\n<p>\u201cA friend once said \u201cmy daughter can tell me these things in English but has no clue what they are in her L1\u201d \u2013 is that a good thing?\u201d (9:33:08).<\/p>\n<p><em>@verri144<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201cCLIL is content first, then language. Isn\u2019t EFL the other way round?\u201d (9:12:29)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019m training a group of teachers at the moment who are supposed to be CLIL teachers, they\u2019re pretty confused\u201d (9:14:04)<\/p>\n<p><em>@SueannaN<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201cIs CLIL effective, or are the teachers muddling along with dodgy language skills?\u201d (9:16:43)<\/p>\n<p><em>@TyKendall<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat about the argument that English is encroaching onto L1 territory and we are helping to marginalise local languages further?\u201d (9:17:30)<\/p>\n<p><em>@sandymillin<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201cThink this is still the problem \u2013 we\u2019ve been chatting for 35 minutes and haven\u2019t got a definition yet!\u201d (9:35:53)<\/p>\n<p><em>@BethCagnol<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201cit\u2019s pushed on language teachers because we\u2019re cheaper than the experts\u201d (9:40:48)<\/p>\n<p><em>@sedayyildirim<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201cCLIL is more than language teachers can do!\u201d (9:41:33)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>New to ELTchat?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>If you have never participated in an #ELTchat discussion, these take place twice a day every Wednesday on Twitter at 12pm GMT and 9pm GMT.\u00a0 Over 400 educators participate in this discussion by just adding #eltchat to their tweets. For tips on participating in the discussion, please check out this video, Using Tweetdeck for Hashtag Discussions!<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>What do you think? Leave a comment!<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">by <a href=\"http:\/\/notanotherteachingblog.edublogs.org\/2011\/04\/15\/eltchat-summary-13042011\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ty Kenda<\/a>l<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ty is \u00a0\u00a0@TyKendall on Twitter and this summary was first posted on his blog &#8220;Not another teaching Blog&#8220; Summary &nbsp; Perhaps one of the more unusual ELT chats in that nobody seemed to agree on anything, we were unable to reach a consensus on a satisfactory conceptual definition and the effects of IATEFL were felt&hellip; <br \/> <a class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/2011\/04\/23\/1547\/\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[15,24,120],"class_list":["post-1547","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-summary","tag-approaches","tag-clil","tag-teaching-methods"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1547","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1547"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1547\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1547"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1547"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1547"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}