{"id":1875,"date":"2011-08-02T20:26:04","date_gmt":"2011-08-02T19:26:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/eltchat.com\/?p=1875"},"modified":"2011-08-02T20:26:04","modified_gmt":"2011-08-02T19:26:04","slug":"tourist-teflers-vs-career-teflers-eltchat-summary-27072011","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/2011\/08\/02\/tourist-teflers-vs-career-teflers-eltchat-summary-27072011\/","title":{"rendered":"Tourist TEFLers vs Career TEFLers &#8211; #ELTchat Summary 27\/07\/2011"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1><a title=\"Permanent Link to ELTCHAT summary 27\/07\/11\" href=\"http:\/\/notanotherteachingblog.edublogs.org\/2011\/08\/02\/eltchat-summary-270711\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">ELTCHAT summary 27\/07\/11<\/a><\/h1>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>This summary was contributed by Ty Kendall \u2013 @TyKendall (Twitter).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Chat topic:<\/p>\n<h1><\/h1>\n<h1>\u201cTourist TEFLers versus Career TEFLers\u201d<\/h1>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>After suggesting this topic, I was thoroughly disappointed to have missed it due to the Satanic forces of my internet service provider who deemed it entertaining to pull the plug on my internet for the better part of a week. The silver lining here is that I managed to get the opportunity to write the summary\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The inspiration for this topic came to me when I took a new class and during the customary \u201cgetting to know you\u201d phase, the students were interested in my academic and employment background (that seems to be the norm here in Turkey to be quizzed about your qualifications by the students- I guess they want to check you are suitable to teach them \u2013 fair enough). Anyway, the dialogue went something like this:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Student:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So, what is your job?<\/p>\n<p>Me: \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0Erm, a teacher.<\/p>\n<p>Student:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Ok, no, what is your job in England?<\/p>\n<p>Me: \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0A teacher.<\/p>\n<p>Student:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, what is your REAL job?<\/p>\n<p>Me: \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0A teacher.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>To cut a long story short, it took about 5 minutes to get them to understand that teaching English was my CAREER. They were so used to people of all backgrounds and specialities just teaching because of the virtue of being a native (or near-native) speaker (usually funding travel plans or something similar)\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>And this got me thinking that traditionally, the EFL profession has divided itself by the native\/non-native speaker dichotomy. However, the Career\/Tourist EFL teacher dichotomy has been somewhat overlooked and less discussed. I thought that the ELTchat forum might be a good place to investigate this more\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Firstly, here are some tentative definitions for the terms in the chat topic:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>\u201cTourist TEFLers come into the industry for a year or two and want to see the world rather than teach English\u201d (mcneilmahon)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cCareer TEFLers are those of us who teach English as our careers \u2013 long term, CPD, dare I say professionally?\u201d (ibid).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>However, the distinction is not quite so black and white. The rest of the discussion investigates the shades of grey\u2026<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Here are some of the main themes from the discussion:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Many Career TEFLers started out as Tourist TEFLers.<\/li>\n<li>The EFL profession hasn\u2019t always been professional enough.<\/li>\n<li>Tourist TEFLers can often bring fresh air and new ideas to the profession.<\/li>\n<li>Is the idea of a Career TEFLer redundant in an age where \u201cjobs for life\u201d are a thing of the past and many people have multiple careers throughout their lifetime?<\/li>\n<li>The labels \u201cCareer\/Tourist\u201d are less relevant than the teaching ABILITY and SKILL of the individual. It\u2019s possible to have a lousy career TEFLer and a spectacular Tourist TEFLer and vice versa.<\/li>\n<li>Some debate about training issues (the necessity of TEFL training). Consensus was that it is a basic requirement of ANY teacher, both career and tourist.<\/li>\n<li>Perhaps the years of accumulated experience of Career TEFLers is something which eludes the Tourist TEFLers and puts them at a disadvantage?<\/li>\n<li>The real difference is between teachers who take their teaching seriously and conduct it professionally and those who don\u2019t, regardless of labels.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The discussion digressed somewhat into a larger debate about the validity and necessity of qualifications and training and into the existence of \u201cnatural born teachers\u201d. But since I am not a fan of innateness theories myself, I have decided to merely mention it here and let those who are interested refer to the transcript.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The moderators herd the flock back to the topic though and a few more interesting points are raised:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The two types of teachers should not have an adversarial relationship; they can co-exist and support one another.<\/li>\n<li>Tourist TEFLers may have created a perception problem for career TEFLers. (A denigration of the EFL career itself in the eyes of non-teachers).<\/li>\n<li>In some contexts, tourist TEFLers have affected market forces, i.e. schools preferring to hire tourist TEFLers because they command lower salaries than more experienced career TEFLers.<\/li>\n<li>The general level of animosity towards tourist TEFLers is quite low, the blame is more placed at management level who hire based on \u201ccheap labour\u201d.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Not many links shared this week, but here are a few:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn praise of backpacking English teachers\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/ddeubel.edublogs.org\/2009\/11\/18\/in-praise-of-backpacking-english-teachers\/\">http:\/\/ddeubel.edublogs.org\/2009\/11\/18\/in-praise-of-backpacking-english-teachers\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Not sure the next link is 100% pertinent to the topic, but its nice all the same:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.colorincolorado.org\/article\/26751\/\">http:\/\/www.colorincolorado.org\/article\/26751\/\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Here is a selection of some of the comments:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI know in Korea \u2013 it may work against you, to not be a backpacker. Because it is a business driven by salaries\u201d (ddeubel)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cTourist TEFLers at least create a perception problem for careerers \u2013 When are you going to get a proper job?\u201d (mcneilmahon)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019ve been asked numerous times by friends and family when I will get a proper job. Problem is I love my career!\u201d (ELTExperiences)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI don\u2019t mind someone helping me fix my car, but only charge me if you\u2019re really a mechanic\u00a0<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/notanotherteachingblog.edublogs.org\/wp-includes\/images\/smilies\/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\";-)\" \/>\u00a0\u201c (AnthonyGaughan)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI guess my only comment would be that the best teflers I\u2019ve seen were not travellers\u201d (jobethsteel)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>New to ELTchat?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>If you have never participated in an #ELTchat discussion, these take place twice a day every Wednesday on Twitter at 12pm GMT and 9pm GMT.\u00a0 Over 400 educators participate in this discussion by just adding #eltchat to their tweets. For tips on participating in the discussion, please check out this video, Using Tweetdeck for Hashtag Discussions!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>What do you think? Leave a comment!<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>ELTCHAT summary 27\/07\/11 &nbsp; This summary was contributed by Ty Kendall \u2013 @TyKendall (Twitter). &nbsp; Chat topic: \u201cTourist TEFLers versus Career TEFLers\u201d &nbsp; After suggesting this topic, I was thoroughly disappointed to have missed it due to the Satanic forces of my internet service provider who deemed it entertaining to pull the plug on my&hellip; <br \/> <a class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/2011\/08\/02\/tourist-teflers-vs-career-teflers-eltchat-summary-27072011\/\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1875","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-summary"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1875","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1875"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1875\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1875"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1875"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1875"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}