{"id":4718,"date":"2012-12-08T08:18:02","date_gmt":"2012-12-08T08:18:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/eltchat.org\/wordpress\/?p=4718"},"modified":"2012-12-08T08:18:02","modified_gmt":"2012-12-08T08:18:02","slug":"how-can-you-make-teaching-useful-for-reluctant-young-learners-eltchat-summary-04122012","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/2012\/12\/08\/how-can-you-make-teaching-useful-for-reluctant-young-learners-eltchat-summary-04122012\/","title":{"rendered":"How can you make teaching useful for reluctant young learners? #ELTChat summary 04\/12\/2012"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Summary contributed by Tamas Lorincz &#8211; @<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/user?screen_name=tamaslorincz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">tamaslorincz<\/a>\u00a0 on Twitter and is reproduced here from his blog with his kind permission.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<h1><\/h1>\n<h1>What to do with Demotivated Young Learners<\/h1>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I have always wanted to write one of these summaries for the selfish reason that I was certain that this is the best way to have a really good grasp of the width and depth of the conversation. 140-character, abbreviations-ridden tweets fired at an amazing speed always left me feeling somewhat slow. I spend a lot of time lurking and trying to keep up with the conversation, and then formulate\u00a0 a couple of tweets, which, once posted, make little sense even to me, and are way out of context. But without further ado, here\u2019s my (not so brief) summary of the chat, I hope you\u2019ll like it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The first topic of discussion on Wednesday, 5th December 2012 was:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>How can you make teaching useful for reluctant young learners?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Poll\" src=\"http:\/\/tamasonline.com\/files\/2012\/12\/Poll-mxwuh4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"448\" height=\"257\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>The participants<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tamaslorincz\/eltchat-05-12\/members\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Participants\" src=\"http:\/\/tamasonline.com\/files\/2012\/12\/Participants-1og9446.jpg\" alt=\"Click here to see the complete list of participants and follow them\" width=\"482\" height=\"299\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>For the more visually inclined:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.wordle.net\/show\/wrdl\/6117777\/%23ELTChat_wordle_05-12-2012\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"summary wordle\" src=\"http:\/\/tamasonline.com\/files\/2012\/12\/summary-wordle-2f2vwc8.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"502\" height=\"246\" \/><\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Th 50 most frequently used words in this chat. Created with\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.wordle.net\/show\/wrdl\/6117777\/%23ELTChat_wordle_05-12-2012\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">worlde<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Who are we talking about?<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>The conversation started off with a little bit of clarification of what we actually mean by young learners. This seems to be a pretty confusing concept. In the end\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/BobK99\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bob\u2019s<\/a>\u00a0suggestion carried the day and most tweets differentiated between VYLs, YLs, and Teens. I also liked the terminology used by\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/KerrCarolyn\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Carolyn<\/a>\u00a0\u2018pre-literacy\u2019, Early (literate in L1, but acquiring L2) up to about 11, then the rest are \u2018YL\u2019s.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/JoHart\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jo Hart<\/a>\u00a0expressed succinctly why this is such an important question:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adolescent (teens) learners are so different from VYL, YL on one side &amp;<br \/>\nadults on other \u2013\u00a0<\/strong><strong>teens maybe have characteristics from both<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>In this summary I will have a look at five main areas I could identify which were covered in the chat:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><strong>General observations<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong>Useful resources<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong>Tips, hints, ideas<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong>Intriguing questions, issues, concerns<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h1><strong>1.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><strong>General observations<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p>Marisa started off with a widely accepted statement:<br \/>\n<strong>We can do a lot of damage by not knowing how YLs &amp; VYLs tick!<\/strong>\u00a0To which\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/BobK99\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bob<\/a>\u00a0added:\u00a0<strong>\u2018Give me a 9-yr-old &amp; I\u2019ll screw him up for good\u2019!<\/strong>\u00a0and this was the sentiment reinforced again by Marisa, who expressed most succinctly what was on our minds throughout the conversation, raising a very important issue about teacher preparation courses.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I think YL teachers need to know MORE than Ts of adult ELT learners \u2013 much\u00a0<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>more #ELTchat but sadly most elt courses do not equip.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<h2><strong>Relationships and the atmosphere<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>A positive, safe learning environment is very important, where mistakes are seen as part of learning.<br \/>\nIt was also agreed that teaching YL is never only about the language,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/Marisa_C\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marisa<\/a>observed:\u00a0<strong>Teaching YLs also involves teaching them to think<\/strong>\u00a0to which<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/teflgeek\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">David<\/a>\u00a0added\u00a0<strong>Critical thinking v. important!<\/strong><\/p>\n<h2><strong>Control and compare<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/SophiaKhan4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sophia<\/a>\u00a0made a very important point\u00a0<strong>Controlling and comparing is just soul-crushing<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2013 if the teacher spends the time trying to contol students and evaluate them by comparing them, both sides will suffer.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Affective relationship<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>Marisa referred to an earlier research of hers\u00a0\u201c<strong>on YLs and what kind of Ts they like \u2013 most factors are AFFECTIVE<\/strong>\u201d, while it was generally agreed that liking the teacher is an important factor in any teacher-student relationships it is doubly true with younger learners.<\/p>\n<p>Another interesting conversation unfolded around the topic of comfort and routine, while it was accepted that children need routine and structure, participants emphasised the importance of variations and flexibility within them to avoid boredom and repetitiveness.<\/p>\n<p>Marisa reminded us that it\u2019s also important to know\u00a0\u201c<strong>what they CAN or CANNOT do at their stage of cognitive development<\/strong>\u201d. Language acquisition is very different according to the brain stage of the child.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Attitudes to errors and general behaviour<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>Sophia also noted that this was a very\u00a0<strong>fragile age for self-esteem<\/strong>, and developing (or at least not damaging) children\u2019s self image is an important role a teacher has to play.<\/p>\n<h1><strong>\u00a02. Shared resources and materials<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/cybraryman1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Jerry<\/strong><\/a><strong>:<\/strong>\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/t7ypLwdH\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">My What Students Want<\/a>\u00a0page, another page on\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/EMvUhEH4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Motivating\/Engaging<\/a>Students<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/brigidwheel\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>@b<\/strong><strong>rigidwheel<\/strong><\/a>: Using\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/F1vCiW2m\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">IPads \/ iPhones in ESL<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/buckyacademics\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jessica<\/a>:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/fionamau\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Fiona Mauchline<\/a>\u2018s\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/bIbxRGKT\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">webinar on teaching teens.<\/a>Best to get YLs involved in the learning process. Feed their curiousity.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/Marisa_C\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Marisa<\/strong><\/a><strong>:\u00a0<\/strong>An earlier post about the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/marisaconstantinides.edublogs.org\/2009\/09\/02\/the-power-of-play-for-education-and-language-development\/#.UMMHl-TqmSo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">cognitive benefits of different games\u00a0for YLs<\/a><br \/>\nWikipedia entry on\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/bHSwK9Z1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Child development stages<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/esolcourses\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Sue<\/strong><\/a>:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/dafcampaign\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">@DAFCampaign<\/a>\u00a0(Disabled Access Friendly) has some\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/sYSa4HtS\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">gr8 resources<\/a>\u00a0for YL\u2019s to challenge them &amp; get them to think<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/JoBudden\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jo Budden<\/a><\/strong>:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/zWMeLbTw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">LearnEnglish Teens<\/a>\u00a0tries to cover topics of interest to 13-17 yr olds. This blog post got them commenting!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/KerrCarolyn\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Carolyn<\/strong><\/a>:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/learnenglishkids.britishcouncil.org\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">LearnEnglish Kids<\/a>\u00a0also has great games to play online. Toy shop is popular<\/p>\n<p><strong><\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/SophiaKhan4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Sophia<\/strong><\/a>: I thought this\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/cLuVuYr0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">post on badges<\/a>\u00a0was really interesting.<br \/>\nI mentioned\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.classdojo.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">classdojo<\/a>\u00a0earlier \u2013 it\u2019s a positive and negative points based behaviour management system.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/english247\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">English247<\/a>: Day 5 of our #ESL #Xmas Calendar.\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/lFluV2YK\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Click here<\/a>\u00a0for today\u2019s free English activity!<\/p>\n<h1><strong>3. Tips and ideas<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p>Perhaps the most useful part of all these conversations is when professionals share their practical tips and ideas to deal with certain aspects of the issue in question.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s a selection of a few of them:<\/p>\n<h2><strong>\u00a0At the beginning of the course<\/strong><strong>\u00a0\u2013 student input is key<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>It\u2019s probably easier said than done but the teacher\u2019s task is to set up a natural context for students and help them achieve, they will learn almost anything<\/p>\n<p>Start with something you know they\u2019ll all be into then adapt as you get to know them is a sensible suggestion, which then leads to the teacher responding to the class they are teaching, \u00a0and dealing with emergent language dogme style.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>At the beginning of the lesson<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>Encouraging students to identify their own objectives and then giving the teacher regular updates on how they are progressing with attaining them will keep students focused on their goals and put their achievements into perspective.<\/p>\n<p>Inviting students to vote on the different topics\/tasks they would complete during the lesson is also highly motivational for young learners.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>\u00a0During the lesson<\/strong><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>At that age they love to talk about themselves so\u00a0<strong>personalising<\/strong>\u00a0all lesson stages really works.<\/li>\n<li>It was also observed that organising the lesson into\u00a0<strong>5 minute stages or slots<\/strong>\u00a0was important because of short attention span with the addition that in case they enjoy a certain task or kind of activity, this rule can be bended and students can be given more time.<\/li>\n<li>YLs learn by doing, a song, a game a small project \u2013\u00a0<strong>language is a means, not the end<\/strong>. Yitzha uses songs, gestures, drama play to get them to talk and they are enthusiastic.<\/li>\n<li>When you know your students better,\u00a0<strong>grouping them according to their likes and dislikes<\/strong>\u00a0could also work very well.<\/li>\n<li>Then the question of\u00a0<strong>topics<\/strong>\u00a0came up. It was generally agreed that topics should be relevant and interesting for the students but it was emphasised that something is not interesting because the teacher thinks the students would find it interesting. This was brought up as an example where many teachers and coursebooks fail (clich\u00e9s like pop music and technology don\u2019t always work) as they assume what students (are) like.<\/li>\n<li>Marisa\u2019s suggestion of a\u00a0<strong>questionnaire or survey on topics of interest<\/strong>might help.<\/li>\n<li>It was also an interesting point to ponder whether\u00a0<strong>familiarity with a topic was enough<\/strong>. They don\u2019t necessarily have to like it. A well-chosen blog post can get them thinking\/ commenting. (Eg:<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/zWMeLbTw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">http:\/\/t.co\/zWMeLbTw<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>A very similar argument developed around\u00a0<strong>using technology<\/strong>(computers, mobiles,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/voki.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Voki<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/voicethread.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Voicethread<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/animoto.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Animoto<\/a>\u00a0were mentioned), teachers can\u2019t go in with the assumption that students will love every piece of technology they bring to class. Skype was brought up as an excellent tool for cross-cultural communication, and even more interestingly perhaps, as a tool to \u201cencourage virtual teen romance\u201d. \u2013<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/KerrCarolyn\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Carolyn<\/a>\u00a0can tell you more about this\u00a0<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/tamasonline.com\/wp-includes\/images\/smilies\/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\";-)\" \/><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Other great suggestions<\/h2>\n<p>&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 6-9 year-olds like to take turns of\u00a0<strong>being the teacher\u2019s assistant<\/strong><br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 wee ones try<strong>\u00a0class cuddly to take home<\/strong>\u00a0and \u2018show\u2019 toy where they live. But make sure every kid gets a chance<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<strong>team names \u2013 slogans-raps \u2013 chants \u2013 rhymes-logos-badges<\/strong>&#8211; also help build solidarity &amp; group cohesion<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<strong>changing the same activity and doing it a different way<\/strong><br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<strong>\u00a0giving students a sense of achievement<\/strong>\u00a0(eg: learning a song and then teaching it to your family)<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 things like \u201c<strong>teacher is a tape recorder<\/strong>\u201d or\u00a0<strong>storytelling<\/strong>\u00a0when the teacher has \u201clost\u201d her voice<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Corrections and feedback<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>One of the areas we felt students can be left disappointed and demotivated is the way their mistakes are corrected and the kind of feedback they get.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cLashings and Lashings of\u201d positive reinforcement was one of the winners of the day as well as positive phrasing and positive feedback and avoiding saying \u201cdon\u2019t do this\u201d and replacing it with try to do this instead. It was also suggested that praise leads YLs to correct themselves as they compare their language with a model<\/p>\n<p>Some suggestions to avoid letting students down by inappropriate feedback or correction:<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Anonymization idea: After written work, post sentences with mistakes as teacher on class blog, invite corrections.<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Another is betting on sentence correction in teams or noughts &amp; crosses with sentences<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Correct language usage and errors on separate slips, students decide which is which &amp; put in correct column<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You can make peer feedback a game = more motivating.<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Using TPR to bring class\u2019 attention back with YLs<strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<h1><strong>4.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><strong>Intriguing questions, issues, concerns<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h2><strong>Demotivated students<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>As the topic was reluctant learners it was interesting to see what people had to say about reluctant young learners, there seemed to be an overall agreement that teachers should have the knowledge and means to avoid students getting demotivated.<\/p>\n<p>The immediate reaction of many of us was somewhat dismissive:<br \/>\n<strong>\u201cYLs can start from pre-school where all play and say really \u2013 I don\u2019t see how they can be<br \/>\nreluctant to do that.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But then a variety of scenarios were presented where students might not be all that enthusiastic about learning English:<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 not every kid wants to be in an English class after a day in school<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 forced to take English lessons<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 few contact hours<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 the reluctant ones were reluctant to learn in general focusing on the reluctant ones it\u2019s easy to ignore the ones who want to be there<\/p>\n<p>And then there were suggestions straight away:<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If there is no intrinsic motivation, TASK motivation can engage<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sometimes with reluctant students its best to focus on the ones who want to learn<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Rewards<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>It was fairly quickly established that the concept of rewards and students\u2019 attitude to it is culturally determined. This is important for teachers to remember especially when engaging with kids from a different culture before introducing a reward scheme in the classroom.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/yitzah_sarwono\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Yitzah<\/a>\u2019s children respond well when \u201cthey feel like everyone wins, they feel better and braver. \u201c Because, as she put it, \u201cit\u2019s part of the Indonesian culture.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>There were a few great suggestions and consderations in this topic as well:<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 avoid punishment \u2013 be proactive not reactive in terms of discipline<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 giving points for motivation \u2013 works as long as you\u2019re fair. And although it starts out as extrinsic motivation, it hopefully becomes intrinsic later on<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 awarding silly prizes \u2013 \u2018No homework Pass\u2019 work well for school kids \u2013 although you end up with a black market for them<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 using a stamp. they would count how many stamps they had over the year and work to get more (students don\u2019t know how many stamps the others have, they would want more stamps for their own sense of achievement not as competition)<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 rewards are based on effort, not on knowledge. Everyone can get them if they try \u2026<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Competition and\/or collaboration?<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>The conversation was started off with this question from @teflgeek: anyone else find that YLs tend to prefer competitive activities to collaborative<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 YLs like to win. They don\u2019t necessarily need someone else to lose<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Competitions can be a bit tricky because when they lose, they might not want to try again (Yitza mentioned this as a cultural phenomenon but I wonder if this is not one of the big challenges we all face when we have competitions with Young learners.)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 competition definitely motivating but \u2018not winning\u2019 can backfire if not handled well<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 you can increase collaboration by getting teams to win<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 develop \u2018healthy competition\u2019 in class, with teams, etc. They seem to want to get a lot more involved<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 when I have games in class, I make sure everyone gets a chance to win, or even have a draw, that works better<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 that can make them even more reluctant though if they know no-one will \u2018win\u2019<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Making activities competitive doesnt have to mean teams based on gender, but it does increase motivation<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Collaboration is good but competitive will probably stand them in better stead when they are out in the real world<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would argue that competitiveness must be balanced against collaboration; YLs are naturally self-centred and need training<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 8-10 like collaborative whereas the older ones seem to become more competitive<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 12-14 who are very competitive in teams<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Collaborative activities are helpful for young learners to develop positive attitudes among themselves.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Attitudes to mistakes<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>Again the treatment of mistakes is a crucial issue when teaching anyone but especially young learners. One of the ways young learners can be made reluctant even downright hostile is to expose their weaknesses and mistakes. It was noted that YLs\/Teens can sometimes be more sensitive about making mistakes.<\/p>\n<p>To which the remedy seems to be non-judgemental classroom, where students don;t feel fear and anxiety (\u201cthis means NO TESTING for VYL\u2019s\u201d). However, it was also a great point that as students feel safe in class, correcting mistakes is seen as part of the learning process.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Parents<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>Any good conversation about education must look at the role parents play in an issue in this conversation four aspects were mentioned briefly:<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Parents can be the ones who force students to attend language classes after school, thus creating a very difficult situation for the student and the teacher.<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Parents\u2019 attitude to using technology (or the availability of technology at home) can be a divisive issue.<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Parent\u2019s (lack of) interest in what happens in class.<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Parent\u2019s who don\u2019t speak English and their child becomes the mediator, teacher, spokesperson for the family<strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<h2><strong>Whole Brain Teaching<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>\u201cHas anyone ever tried whole brain teaching with kids?\u201d came the question at one stage during the conversation.<br \/>\nThose who know as little as I do about whole brain teaching will find this<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/TadGjRYe\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">collection of pins on pinterest<\/a>\u00a0very useful:<br \/>\nIt was also mentioned that teaching YLs is always teaching the whole child<br \/>\nSophia shared\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/J2XpdUOY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">this video<\/a>, adding that she saw some good things in it but found it very controlling. This led to the discussion about control routine comfort mentioned above.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Boys\/girls?<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>There was a brief discussion about gender differences, too, when discussing attitudes and the kinds of activities YLs like.<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Girls are better at quiet, focused activities that require sitting in one spot<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hard to focus for long periods on one thing. Possibly more for boys than girls.<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A good way to motivate YLs is competition: boys v. girls<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Teen males can be very competitive, especially if teen girls are present and \u201cegg them on\u201d<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201cBoys vs girls\u201d can be a bad start in life\u00a0<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/tamasonline.com\/wp-includes\/images\/smilies\/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":-D\" \/><\/p>\n<h2><strong>L1 acquisition<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>Parallels with first language acquisition were also briefly touched upon. Here are some of the interesting thoughts from this discussion.<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Parents do a wonderful job a teaching a child their language \u2013 many great lessons there \u2013 esp being DELIGHTED whn YLS talk<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Watch adults with early vocalizers. No correction, loads of scaffolding tons of praise<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We cannot replicate L1 acquisition in terms on QUANTITY of input but may other aspects of it<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 L1 acquisition occurs in a safe environment with rich, varied, simplified and supportive language input by parents<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s easier when both parents are constantly speaking the target language<\/p>\n<h1><strong>Anecdotes\/jokes<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p>There is no conversation without some stories people would share. I thought I would record some of these as well.<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes \u2013 I had lots of black buttons for not sitting in my seat, too much talking etc etc. Didn\u2019t stop me, even now =) (<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/KerrCarolyn\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Carolyn<\/a>)<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 LOVE being a tape recorder. had to replace my buttons when they wore out!!! (<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/KerrCarolyn\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Carolyn<\/a>)<br \/>\n&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But I do have 2 young learners of my own who are not really willing to speak French in the bath every day. (<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/SophiaKhan4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sophia<\/a>)<\/p>\n<h1><strong>To be discussed<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p>Some of the questions that could perhaps be explored at another date in more detail or have already been discussed in previous ELTChat sessions.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>How does age alter motivation, and where would you say the \u2018age motivation boundaries\u2019 are?<\/li>\n<li>Are there certain things that are harder to get YL\u2019s to do? Writing, Reading etc?<\/li>\n<li>Isn\u2019t it strange how far off the mark topics in coursebooks often are!<\/li>\n<li>Teens don\u2019t like to read doesn\u2019t match the multi-sensory input they are used to.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><em>I hope you have enjoyed reading this (somewhat long) summary. I definitely had a great time going though and contemplating the tweets. Hope to see you at the next\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/eltchat.org\/wordpress\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ELTChat<\/a>, don\u2019t forget to vote, recommend topics, share your experiences and \u201cbring another teacher\u201d.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>About the author (in his own words)<\/h2>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" style=\"margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px;\" src=\"https:\/\/si0.twimg.com\/profile_images\/1390906504\/DSC07991_800x600_reasonably_small.JPG\" alt=\"\" width=\"128\" height=\"128\" \/>I\u2019ve been an English Teacher for almost 20 years now. One might think I have learnt something along the way. Well, I\u2019m not quite sure. I have taught English in Hungary, trained teachers in the Middle East, worked for a publishing company in the UK. I lived in Iraqi Kurdistan for 9 fantastic months. Worked at one of the most exciting airlines in the world in Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates. I taught in a secondary school and mentored a brilliant group of fantastic English teachers in Sharjah, UAE. In 2010 I came back to Hungary with my wonderful wife and my 4-month-old daughter. Since then we have lived in a small town in 34 kms from Budapest.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Summary contributed by Tamas Lorincz &#8211; @tamaslorincz\u00a0 on Twitter and is reproduced here from his blog with his kind permission.\u00a0 What to do with Demotivated Young Learners &nbsp; I have always wanted to write one of these summaries for the selfish reason that I was certain that this is the best way to have a&hellip; <br \/> <a class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/2012\/12\/08\/how-can-you-make-teaching-useful-for-reluctant-young-learners-eltchat-summary-04122012\/\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[34,85,87,120,132],"class_list":["post-4718","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-summary","tag-critical-thinking","tag-materials-design","tag-motivation","tag-teaching-methods","tag-young-learners"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4718","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4718"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4718\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4718"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4718"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4718"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}