{"id":853,"date":"2011-01-12T15:33:25","date_gmt":"2011-01-12T14:33:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/eltchat.com\/?p=853"},"modified":"2011-01-12T15:33:25","modified_gmt":"2011-01-12T14:33:25","slug":"can-translation-and-translation-tools-facilitate-language-learning-and-how-can-it-be-used-to-best-effect","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/2011\/01\/12\/can-translation-and-translation-tools-facilitate-language-learning-and-how-can-it-be-used-to-best-effect\/","title":{"rendered":"Can translation (and translation tools) facilitate language learning and how can it be used to best effect?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
\u00a0<\/strong>11:28 am<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nA short pre-reading before #ELTchat<\/a> – transcript of interview with Guy Cook \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:28 am<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> What, homework? \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:29 am<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> what? objectin? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:31 am<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Nope, reading it now like a good girl \ud83d\ude42 Model student you see! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:32 am<\/a><\/td>\nrussell1955<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: A short pre-reading before #ELTchat<\/a> – transcript of interview with Guy Cook \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:36 am<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: A short pre-reading before #ELTchat<\/a> – transcript of interview with Guy Cook \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:38 am<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: A short pre-reading before #ELTchat<\/a> – transcript of interview with Guy Cook \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:40 am<\/a><\/td>\nBrunoLeys<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: UK seeks to raise language entry levels http:\/\/t.co\/jahxCYL<\/a> via @guardian<\/a> #efl<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> #elt<\/a> #edchat<\/a> #ukedchat<\/a> #studyenglish<\/a> #esol<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:41 am<\/a><\/td>\nyassine36<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nCan anyone tell me what #ELTChat<\/a> is about? thanks!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:44 am<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n“Can translation (and translation tools) facilitate language learning and how can it be used to best effect?” #ELTChat<\/a> 15 mins from now \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:45 am<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: “Can translation (and translation tools) facilitate language learning and how can it be used to best effect?” #ELTChat<\/a> 15 mins from now \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:48 am<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHi all- I’m sorry I won’t be able to join in this #ELTchat<\/a> today. Hope to attend tonight if possible instead. Have a great session all!! \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:48 am<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: “Can translation (and translation tools) facilitate language learning and how can it be used to best effect?” #ELTChat<\/a> 15 mins from now \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:49 am<\/a><\/td>\nannettecopper<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @WarwickLinguist<\/a>: RT @MangoLanguages<\/a>: RT @rliberni<\/a>: UK seeks raise language entry #efl<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> #elt<\/a> #edchat<\/a> #studyenglish<\/a> #esol<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:51 am<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: “Can translation (and translation tools) facilitate language learning and how can it be used to best effect?” #ELTChat<\/a> 15 mins from now \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:51 am<\/a><\/td>\nbraztesolbsb<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: “Can translation (and translation tools) facilitate language learning and how can it be used to best effect?” #ELTChat<\/a> 15 mins from now \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:56 am<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n“Education is the withdrawal from reality in order to develop certain skills” #eltchat<\/a>. Wow! that could be a topic in itself!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:56 am<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@MartinWarters<\/a> Yep – that line really struck me as well! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:58 am<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWe’re a few minutes from kick-off with #ELTChat<\/a> today\/tonight. Topic is “translation – good for language learning or not?” Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:59 am<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @MartinWarters<\/a>: “Education is the withdrawal from reality in order to develop certain skills” #eltchat<\/a>. > Great quote! Yes!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:59 am<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: “Can translation (and translation tools) facilitate lang learning & how can it be used to best effect?” soon! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nFor the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to discussing translation & its role in ELT on #ELTchat<\/a> – Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: RT @MartinWarters<\/a>: “Education is the withdrawal from reality in order to develop certain skills” #eltchat<\/a>. > Great quote! Yes!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: “Can translation (and translation tools) facilitate lang learning & how can it be used to best effect?” soon! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to discussing translation & its role in ELT on #ELTchat<\/a> – Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to discussing translation & its role in ELT on #ELTchat<\/a> – Please join us! <me 2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to discussing translation & its role in ELT on #ELTchat<\/a> – Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWelcome to #ELTChat<\/a> everyone. I’m moderating tonight with @rliberni<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> Let’s talk TRANSLATION!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> I liked Cook’s idea that translation is the fifth skill – it was a key part of my lang learning at uni \/don’t use it in my teaching<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nTyKendall<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: RT @Marisa_C<\/a>: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to discussing translation & its role in ELT on #ELTchat<\/a> – Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nrighty-oh. for the next hour my tweets are dedicated to #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaysealbar<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: RT @Marisa_C<\/a>: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to discussing translation & its role in ELT on #ELTchat<\/a> – Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> I liked Cook’s idea that translation is the fifth skill – it was a key part of my lang learning at uni \/don’t use it in my teaching<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWelcome to all in this early edition of #ELTchat<\/a> – we have changed the time slot to accommodate colleagues from diff time zones<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nFor the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchrisjw133<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: We’re a few minutes from kick-off with #ELTChat<\/a> today\/tonight. Topic is “translation – good for language learning or not?” Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nGuy cooks talk on translation and language learning is here #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nantoniaclare<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHelp – do you think I can #ELTChat<\/a> and write my presentation for next week at the same time?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Guy cooks talk on translation and language learning is here #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Welcome to #ELTChat<\/a> everyone. I’m moderating tonight with @rliberni<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> Let’s talk TRANSLATION! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Guy cooks talk on translation and language learning is here #eltchat<\/a> -> Excellent! Thanks Shaun.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Guy cooks talk on translation and language learning is here #eltchat<\/a> > Wow, thanks Shaun!!!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Guy cooks talk on translation and language learning is here #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbraztesolbsb<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Guy cooks talk on translation and language learning is here #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: I liked Cook’s idea that translation is the 5th skill – it was a key pt of my lang learning at uni #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nNo time for Cook now so we’ll check later #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @sandymillin<\/a>: I liked Cook’s idea that translation is the 5th skill – it was a key pt of my lang learning at uni #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ngood afternoon #eltchat<\/a>. 1pm is very civilized isn’t it?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI rarely use translation skills at all now but have done in the past – gr8 for vocab work #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Welcome to all in this early edition of #ELTchat<\/a> – we have changed the time slot to accommodate colleagues from diff time zones<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI learnt through translation as well but must say it was when I ABANDONED translating that my acquisition took off #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> And in my own learning, comparing structures is often quite useful – what crosses over between L1 and L2 and what doesn’t<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> 5th skill (in order)? Or alongside the others? If translation is a positive, when\/how do we slot it into our approach? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Guy cooks talk on translation and language learning is here #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWhat I find amazing is that there is no research to suggest translation is a bad thing yet it is generally ignored #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ncomputer very slow so I may be lurking more than contributing today #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: What I find amazing is that there is no research to suggest translation is a bad thing yet it is generally ignored #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: What I find amazing is that there is no research to suggest translation is a bad thing yet it is generally ignored #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nantoniaclare<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI need translation skills all the time (live with an Italian) and it IS a real skill. We should be teaching it #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nShow me a beginner learner who is NOT trying to translate at some stage, and I’ll show you ST’s new coursebook series… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @antoniaclare<\/a>: I need translation skills all the time (live with an Italian) and it IS a real skill. We should be teaching it #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Shaunwilden<\/a> It’s the effects of the Direct Method still gripping all other later approaches IMOHO #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Show me a beginner learner who is NOT trying to translate at some stage, and I’ll show you ST’s new coursebook series… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> My acquisition soared when in country, but translation helped (facilitator?)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHi everyone, Having very iffy internet at the mo. Will try to join in if I can #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI guess its tricky thing for a teacher to manage \/ use in a multilingual class #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAs any other tool in the language classroom, translation has to be used carefully, but it may be useful if used properly. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Show me a beginner learner who is NOT trying to translate at some stage, and I’ll show you ST’s new coursebook series… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWhat struck me last wk on my PD course was the v natural interest in other langs from my NEST teachers – they put me to shame! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: As any other tool in the language classroom, translation has to be used carefully, but it may be useful if used properly. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ni think it’s a general feeling that translation is ‘old-fashioned’ but it’s not #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: As other tools in the lang c\/room, translation has to be used carefully, but it may be useful if used properly. #ELTChat<\/a> Agreed<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> @Shaunwilden<\/a> I think that’s an important point. Translation is there, always. But do we bury it or work with it? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @Shaunwilden<\/a> It’s the effects of the Direct Method still gripping all other later approaches IMOHO #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> @sandymillin<\/a> Can be great at empowering learners when they’re feeling overwhelmed by English speaker at front! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTranslation can be useful for highlighting specific differences btw L1 and L2, but should we be using it for other things too? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nELTchat<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @antoniaclare<\/a>: I need translation skills all the time (live with an Italian) and it IS a real skill. We should be teaching it #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: I guess its tricky thing for a teacher to manage \/ use in a multilingual class #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> translation can be a gr8 tool for Ss to grasp real meaning of what they’re saying<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: i think it’s a general feeling that translation is ‘old-fashioned’ but it’s not #eltchat<\/a> > Or shouldn’t be, anyway.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Shaunwilden<\/a> this is true which is why it doesn’t often feature here #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> My acquisition soared when in country, but translation helped (facilitator?)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> People often think it’s problem if NESTs don’t speak L1 – teachers not on equal footing at same school ?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nTyKendall<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTchat<\/a> what i remember most about my CertTESOL course is the icy stare i got from lecturers when i told them i actually enjoy translation<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> @Shaunwilden<\/a> Most importantly, do we know how to work with it if we choose to? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTranslation very difficult when faced with 10 multilingual learners #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: As other tools in the lang c\/room, translation has to be used carefully, but it may be useful if used properly. #ELTChat<\/a> Agreed<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: Translation very difficult when faced with 10 multilingual learners #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltChat<\/a> Students also seem to feel secure with some translation of vocabulary items. Maybe as you know a language more you need it less.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nFor me (as a SLL) translation is what helped me realise how uniquely different the two systems are, on multiple levels #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nthink translation is a good thing in general, but with higher level s’s, predicting words in context provides more of a challenge #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nJust yesterday a St of mine said he felt much more comfortable doing his homework and using an online translator #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: Translation very difficult when faced with 10 multilingual learners #eltchat<\/a> <sth we can only use in monoling classes?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAS a caveat I do spk other langs but didn’t have the same natural instinct – interesting! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI guess we can also start by making a distinction between translation used in ESL and EFL. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nthe lexical approach is a v.big advocate of translation #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> Good point – much easy to exploit in monolingual settings #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @EclipsingX<\/a>: #eltChat<\/a> Students also seem to feel secure with some translation of vocabulary items. Maybe as you know a language more you need it less.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTranslation perpetuates the myth that the native English teacher is always best or the NEST perpetuating myth? Chicken or the egg? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> Another big plus point! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTranslation can be used in multiling classes as personalised exercise – just can’t be checked by Tchr! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@MartinWarters<\/a> As a TBL-advocate, yes, I found that a bit of a slap too! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: the lexical approach is a v.big advocate of translation #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> for long time translation was taboo- now even txtbooks encourage L1-L2 activities<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nnice to mix translation with pronunciation. sentences written in phonemic script #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: nice to mix translation with pronunciation. sentences written in phonemic script #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Moacir2<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> for long time translation was taboo- now even txtbooks encourage L1-L2 activities<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @yearinthelifeof<\/a>: @JoshSRound<\/a> Good point – much easy to exploit in monolingual settings #ELTchat<\/a> But not impossible in Multi<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Moacir2<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> for long time translation was taboo- now even txtbooks encourage L1-L2 activities| yes,that’s true<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: RT @EclipsingX<\/a>: #eltChat<\/a> Students also seem to feel secure with some translation of vocabulary items. > Esp YL’s<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: RT @hoprea<\/a>: As other tools in the lang c\/room, translation has to be used carefully, but it may be useful if used properly. #ELTChat<\/a> Agreed<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nevelinpj1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> I agree, translation should be used correctly only when it’s necessary. But we have 2 use other tools in the classroom #Eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: Translation can be used in multiling classes as personalised exercise – just can’t be checked by Tchr! #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Harmerj<\/a> What’s your take on the ‘translation in language learning’ issue, Jeremy? \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> translation however can b used by Ss who find it easier say in L1 and wait for T to translate.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @TyKendall<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> what i remember most about my CertTESOL course is the icy stare i got from lecturers when i told them i actually enjoy translation<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nantoniaclare<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> <sth we can only use in monoling classes? <No, I think it’s fine 4 sts to jst use their own translations 4 themselves<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\ncerirhiannon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> love the topic – think translation and contrastive analysis REALLY imp teaching tools – but haven’t got time to join in \ud83d\ude41 sorry!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to discussing translation & its role in ELT on #ELTchat<\/a> – Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> interesting this – do we need to be in control – a good way of handing it over #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nBig publishers perpetuate the myth that L1 is bad. WHY? So can sell same coursebook with same set of instructions in every country. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nelenired<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: RT @EclipsingX<\/a>: #eltChat<\/a> Students also seem to feel secure with some translation of vocabulary items. > Esp YL’s<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrileymike7<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> I guess that just as some ss are visual learners, etc, some will benefit more than others from translating<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: #eltChat<\/a> Students also seem to feel secure with some translation of vocabulary items. > My YLs always translate back to check<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nYLs above a certain age find it v difficult to understand come concepts without translation #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHaven’t we been going back and forth with things that were once mainstream, abandoned, and now are coming back? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rileymike7<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> I guess that just as some ss are visual learners, etc, some will benefit more than others from translating<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIn the talk of @Harmerj<\/a> I saw last week he showed an example of a multiling class translating poems it looked effective #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @TyKendall<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> what i remember most about my CertTESOL course is the icy stare i got from lecturers when i told them i actually enjoy translation<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@EclipsingX<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> That is interesting point as it opens up the question of teaching grammar or teaching lexical chunks<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@yearinthelifeof<\/a> Unfair generalisation, methinks. Publishers usually write\/design according to the ‘market’ expectations #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: RT @EclipsingX<\/a>: #eltChat<\/a> Students also seem to feel secure with some translation of vocabulary items. > Esp YL’s<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: In the talk of @Harmerj<\/a> last week he showed an example of a multiling class translating poems it looked effective #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: YLs above a certain age find it v difficult to understand come concepts without translation #ELTchat<\/a> So do adults \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a>: T may spk one or another lang of multilingual sts in class. Is it ok then to help those sts with translation? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @yearinthelifeof<\/a> Unfair generalisation, methinks. Publishers usually write\/design according to the ‘market’ expectations #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> translation can b extremely useful specially in ESP courses.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nPerhaps the problem is that many still look at translation from a GT point of view, which takes us back to those boring lessons. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nevelinpj1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@EclipsingX<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> And for translation of certain words is better to use pictures, so students can associate the word!. #Eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: @michelleworgan<\/a>: T may spk one or another lang of multilingual sts in class. Is it ok then to help those sts with translation? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Moacir2<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> translation can b extremely useful specially in ESP courses.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nHarmerj<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> as GuyCook said at IH DOS conference, the anti-translation view has nothing 2 back it up. Translation is natural #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> also for academic learners trying to struggle with difficult vocabulary and concepts #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> as GuyCook said at IH DOS conference, the anti-translation view has nothing 2 back it up. Translation is natural #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> as GuyCook said at IH DOS conf, anti-translation view has nothing 2 back it up. Translation is natural #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@evelinpj1<\/a> That’s exactly the point! We shouldn’t make use of only one tool. Hence the importance of being resourceful. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Harmerj<\/a> I agree. I guess the challenge then, is how do we work with it (productively) in the classroom? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> What did decontextualised grammar ever do for us? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> GuyCook:anti-translation view has nothing 2 back it up. Translation natural #ELTchat<\/a> <I do it, even if ‘shudn’t’<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @Harmerj<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> GuyCook:anti-translation view has nothing 2 back it up. Translation natural #ELTchat<\/a> <I do it, even if ‘shudn’t’<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nHarmerj<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> we learn a lot about both L1 & L2 when we translate, and students do have brains so let’s use them! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nELTchat<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@TyKendall<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> on my CertTESOL course is the icy stare i got from lecturers when i told them i actually enjoy translation<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> we learn a lot about both L1 & L2 when we translate, and students do have brains so let’s use them! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @EclipsingX<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> also for academic learners trying to struggle with difficult vocabulary and concepts #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyassine36<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hopera<\/a> Using translation is still mainstream in the French educational system! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSo, do we have any practical uses\/ideas to share? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> we learn a lot about both L1 & L2 when we translate and students do have brains so let’s use them! #ELTchat<\/a> <yep!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Harmerj<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> Hear, hear! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nNo L1 \/ No translation in the English classroom… Emperors with no clothes then? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> we learn a lot about both L1 & L2 when we translate, and students do have brains so let’s use them! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHow do you teach the word “beautiful” without translating? I mean, not giving your subjective idea of it. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @yassine36<\/a>: @hopera<\/a> Using translation is still mainstream in the French educational system! #ELTchat<\/a> <think it is in many systems<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @Harmerj<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> we learn a lot about both L1 & L2 when we translate and students do have brains so let’s use them! #ELTchat<\/a> <yep!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nYou can’t always use pictures to illustrate a concept – often translation is much easier, effective and less time consuming #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@yearinthelifeof<\/a> It helped us see it’s definitely not the way to go when it comes to learning a language. #ELTChat<\/a> \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: You can’t always use pictures to illustrate a concept – often translation is much easier, effective and less time consuming #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fceblog<\/a>: How do you teach the word “beautiful” without translating? I mean, not giving your subjective idea of it. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fceblog<\/a>: How do you teach the word “beautiful” without translating? (not giving your subjective idea of it) #ELTchat<\/a> ] with images?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: can’t always use pictures to illustrate a concept – often translation is easier, effectiveless time consuming #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWhat about teaching translation as a skill in itself, rather than just to explain new language? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@evelinpj1<\/a> I also agree because sometimes a cultural concept from one language does not transfer to the other #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nantoniaclare<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI translate, I tweet, I’m such a rebel! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @EclipsingX<\/a>: @evelinpj1<\/a> I also agree because sometimes a cultural concept from one language does not transfer to the other #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: What about teaching translation as a skill in itself, rather than just to explain new language? #ELTchat<\/a> > VG point<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nevelinpj1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAgree!. RT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @Moacir2<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> translation can b extremely useful specially in ESP courses.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> agreed. Translation’s natural. However, in language acquisition few can be simultaneous interpreters. So…<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAs a learner, I noticed a sequence (in myself) of translating from words to chunks… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: What about teaching translation as a skill in itself? #ELTchat<\/a> <many ppl think \/ expect speakers =translators<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> I’m with you on that one \ud83d\ude42 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nHarmerj<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> poetry-translation I showed last week from @Amandalanguage<\/a> ‘s students. Ss translated English poem into their diff langs #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: As a learner, I noticed a sequence (in myself) of translating from words to chunks… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> poetry-translation I showed last week from @Amandalanguage<\/a> ‘s students. Ss translated English poem into their diff langs #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: As a learner, I noticed a sequence (in myself) of translating from words to chunks… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: As a learner, I noticed a sequence (in myself) of translating from words to chunks… #ELTChat<\/a> ] same here<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nDo we need to separate translation and the use of L1 in the classroom? #ELTChat<\/a> esp in e.g. the teachers classroom language<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nvbenevolofranca<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTranslation is handy with monolingual groups web can’t get meaning lexical item across after attempts: translate! Quick & effective.#ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWhen I did French at uni we did lots of literary translation – although we weren’t actually taught how to do so and I hated it #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nHarmerj<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @yassine36<\/a>: @Harmerj<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> whether I aprove it or not, my students use translation when working in pairs! <exactly #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIs translation just a ‘short-cut’ tool? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> poetry-translation I showed last week – Ss translated English poem into their diff langs #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nantoniaclare<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Do we need to separate translation and the use of L1 in the classroom? #ELTChat<\/a> e.g. the teachers classroom language,yes!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> @Harmerj<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> #Eltchat<\/a> + you translate the translation back into L1- that is a great cog act. and shows diffs in lang<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Do we need to separate translation and the use of L1 in the classroom? #ELTChat<\/a> <yes, but careful about message to SS<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> so… The automatization of L2 reception+production must b encouraged over translation.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIs there a danger of sts becoming dependent on translation, if allowed more freely? #eltchat<\/a> Still need to insist on using English<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nHarmerj<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @MartinWarters<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> @Harmerj<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> #Eltchat<\/a> + you translate the translation back into L1- that is a great cog act. and shows diffs in lang<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\neltworld<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @yearinthelifeof<\/a>: Big publishers perpetuate the myth that L1 is bad. WHY? So can sell same coursebook with same set of instructions in every country. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> There is a difference between translating to cater for a student’s need to feel secure and the opportunity to discuss. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Harmerj<\/a> Trans can be used in all sort of lessons and for diff activs – e.g. fixing a bad translation into ENglish is a great actv #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> it is sometimes a shortcut tool, but why is that bad always? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAlways a fascinating thing in multilingual classes to translate into their L1s, then give ‘literal’ translations back into English #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\neltworld<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @yearinthelifeof<\/a> Unfair generalisation, methinks. Publishers usually write\/design according to the ‘market’ expectations #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIt’s ‘handy’, ‘quick’, ‘shortcut’, good with monolingual groups r we being 2 superficial? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nHarmerj<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @Harmerj<\/a> Trans can be used in all sort of lessons and for diff activs – e.g. fixing a bad translation into ENglish is a great actv #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: Itranslation just a ‘short-cut’ tool? #eltchat<\/a> <can be. Diff 2 persuade SS 2 practise explanations (long way) when trans=quick<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> Cook said translation is the skill that encompassed all other skills. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> I translation teaching is gr8 discipline. But not all lang learners qualify.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @MartinWarters<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> @Harmerj<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> #Eltchat<\/a> + you translate the translation back into L1- that is a great cog act. and shows diffs in lang<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfiandjo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTchat<\/a> I think translation makes you think more about the nuances of meaning versus exact translation and become a better language leaner<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nShould we also allow for different ‘amounts’ of translation for receptive and productive skills? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nHarmerj<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @antoniaclare<\/a>: It’s important that we are encouraging sts to speak Eng rather than banning them from using their L1 < 100%agree #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrileymike7<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> translation is daunting for teachers, Esp Esol\/multi-ling group – maybe control issue – it’s in hands of student<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: Is there a danger of sts becoming dependent on translation, if allowed more freely? #eltchat<\/a> Still need to insist on using English<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAllowing translation (and place for L1) always gets learners engaged, I find (and it’s like giving them their bodies back!) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: RT @antoniaclare<\/a>: It’s important that we are encouraging sts to speak Eng rather than banning them from using their L1 < 100%agree #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> not saying it’s bad at all – just trying to open the discussion and explore #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Moacir2<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> so… The automatization of L2 reception+production must b encouraged over translation.> this translates into drilling<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fiandjo<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> translation makes you think more about the nuances of meaning vs exact translation and become a better language leaner<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHence, if it engages them, and has them thinking about language, and being themselves – can it be so wrong? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nevelinpj1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Yes, there are some difficult concepts that is better to translate to avoid misunderstanding!. #Eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Moacir2<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> I translation teaching is gr8 discipline. But not all lang learners qualify.> agree but is training needed?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nadhockley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTchat<\/a> Where I live, translation in the classroom is a political statement, so to remain neutral it’s easier not to<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: Should we also allow for different ‘amounts’ of translation for receptive and productive skills? #ELTChat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@fceblog<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> I agree (SS need to feel secure \/ opportunity to discuss) but can b difficult for SS to see difference (trans=always good)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @adhockley<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> Where I live, translation in the classroom is a political statement, so to remain neutral it’s easier not to<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngknightbkk<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nLearners’ conversation are much more natural if they think about what they would say in L1 in the context before thinking about L2 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nadhockley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTchat<\/a> Which is not a pedagogical decision but is a genuine classroom one \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Always a fascinating thing in multilingual classes to translate into their L1s, then give ‘literal’ translations back into English #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Allowing translation (and place for L1) always gets lrners engaged, I find (like giving them their bodies back!) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThe problem is over-reliance on translation, as in many state schools #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Good point esp for explaining abstract nouns. A direct translation here the most suitable? Probably.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: Allowing translation (and place for L1) always gets lrners engaged, I find (like giving them their bodies back!) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@adhockley<\/a> What do you mean by translation being a political statement, Andy? (Intrigued!) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@gknightbkk<\/a> this is closely related to language and identity, isn’t it? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rileymike7<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> translation is daunting for teachers, Esp Esol\/multi-ling group – maybe control issue – it’s in hands of student<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRephrasing the idea: Do major publishers perpetuate the idea that L1 is bad? \ud83d\ude09 @Shaunwilden<\/a> @JoshSRound<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @Harmerj<\/a> Trans can be used in all sort of lessons and for diff activs – e.g. fixing a bad translation into ENglish is a great actv #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: The problem is over-reliance on translation, as in many state schools #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: RT @antoniaclare<\/a>: yes – this topic is not about use of L1 e.g. for class management but trans as a learning tool #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: The problem is over-reliance on translation, as in state schools #ELTchat<\/a> > Right, as with everything else in methods!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @michelleworgan<\/a>: The problem is over-reliance on translation, as in many state schools #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: f iegages them, and has them thinking about language, and being themselves -can it be so wrong? #ELTChat<\/a> <no, but how2 do?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nadhockley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> Live in a majority Hungarian city in Romania. Classrooms tend to be mutlilngual – if I use translation in Romanian (which all know)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: RT @michelleworgan<\/a>: The problem is over-reliance on translation, as in state schools #ELTchat<\/a> > Right, as with everything else in methods!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTranslation of ideas, not words, might be effective in learning. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> this is often to do with methodology also – French taught via English etc.. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @gknightbkk<\/a>: Learners’ conversation are much more natural if they think about what they would say in L1 in the context before thinking about L2 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nadhockley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> I’m also making a statement to the Hungarian students which i’d rather not make<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIt seems to me then that a discussion of these issues we are worried about with the Ss is important #ELTchat<\/a> to strike a balance<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> translation in 1-1 classes should b limited to 5% of class(tops). In multilevel groups no more than 20pc.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@esolcourses<\/a> Which images? #ELTchat<\/a> To me, a beautiful woman could be Sophia Loren and to my students it could be Lady Gaga.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: Translation of ideas, not words, might be effective in learning. #ELTChat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> Yes, as I mentioned, I’ve noticed a sequence of ‘clumsy’ (word level) translation to larger phrase-level chunks… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @michelleworgan<\/a>: The problem is over-reliance on translation, as in many state schools #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Moacir2<\/a> Not sure you can actually put a percentage on it – surely it depends on the stds, situation etc #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: The problem is over-reliance on translation, #ELTchat<\/a> <def! Many of my SS come from sch w\/o being able 2 function in Eng<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrileymike7<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> started discussion here in staffroom! Ss are ‘always translating’ it’s ‘reassuring’<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @EclipsingX<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> I wonder sometimes if we are afraid of translation because we feel excluded from that part of the discussion.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nlemaistre<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOne prob is overreliance. Japanese ss demand translation for rubrics, texts, examples so lack confidence when no trans there. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @michelleworgan<\/a>: The problem is over-reliance on translation, #ELTchat<\/a> <def! Many of my SS come from sch w\/o being able 2 function in Eng<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rileymike7<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> started discussion here in staffroom! Ss are ‘always translating’ it’s ‘reassuring’<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n“@michelleworgan<\/a>: agreed. Translation is 1 + tool not the solution to language learning #ELTchat<\/a>“<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nBig question then: what does the non-bilingual teacher do in a classroom with translation? There are limits… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nA lot of my students over-rely on web-based translation tools for composition. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @adhockley<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> Where I live, translation in the classroom is a political statement, so to remain neutral it’s easier not to<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Moacir2<\/a>: “@michelleworgan<\/a>: agreed. Translation is 1 + tool not the solution to language learning #ELTchat<\/a>“<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nyes, agree – over-reliance on translation can make sts lazy and not ‘aquire’ the lang #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @lemaistre<\/a>: One prob is overreliance. Japanese ss demand translation for rubrics, texts, examples so lack confidence when no trans there. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Moacir2<\/a> How have you come up with such precise percentages? #eltchat<\/a> am intersted<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @billpellowe<\/a>: A lot of my students over-rely on web-based translation tools for composition. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI had a wonderful lesson in complete Franglais with a beginner. He WAS trying to translate .#ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@esolcourses<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> Another thing is to show a picture of something a culture considers beautiful and discuss it.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @billpellowe<\/a>: A lot of my students over-rely on web-based translation tools for composition. #eltchat<\/a> Many of us have seen that, I think!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nELTchat<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @rileymike7<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> started discussion here in staffroom! Ss are ‘always translating’ it’s ‘reassuring’<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Moacir2<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> translation in 1-1 classes should b limited to 5% of class(tops). In multilevel groups no more thn 20pc.< v. exact! \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@billpellowe<\/a> this is a big problem linguistic and cultural #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @lemaistre<\/a>: One prob is overreliance. Japanese ss demand translation so lack confidence when no trans there. #eltchat<\/a> >>Agree<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyassine36<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> what does the non-bilingual teacher do in a classroom with translation? > Learn Students’ language !!! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@billpellowe<\/a> It must be a challenge, to accommodate translation without having it completely take over, become a crutch? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @lemaistre<\/a>: One prob is overreliance. Japanese ss demand translation for rubrics, texts, examples so lack confidence when no trans there. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nStudents now use web trans tools instead of dictionaries – more or less effective? What do you think? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @yassine36<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> what does the non-bilingual teacher do in a classroom with translation? > Learn Students’ language !!! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Big question then: what does the non-bilingual teacher do in a classroom with translation? There are limits… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n…and what happens if NO one in class speaks that lx? and what if your students have dodgy literacy skills to begin with? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI train translators via an onine course and their enhanced LA is amazing #ELTchat<\/a> but their level is advanced of course<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nXabitxo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: RT @fceblog<\/a>: How do you teach the word “beautiful” without translating? (not giving your subjective idea of it) #ELTchat<\/a> ] with images?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nXabitxo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: RT @EclipsingX<\/a>: @evelinpj1<\/a> I also agree because sometimes a cultural concept from one language does not transfer to the other #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> The problem is time, not enough time at school to teach translation dimension, although it is needed and natural #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: I train translators via an onine course and their enhanced LA is amazing #ELTchat<\/a> but their level is advanced of course<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nYes, translation to confirm an idea is reassuring. Students are sure they’ve understood what they had to. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Moacir2<\/a> “@michelleworgan<\/a>: agreed. Translation is 1 + tool not the solution to language learning #ELTchat<\/a>” ->It’s not a taboo either.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: Yes, translation to confirm an idea is reassuring. Students are sure they’ve understood what they had to. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nDo some ‘cultures’ want trabslation more than others? Or is it more personal? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nharrisonmike<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nEarly #ELTchat<\/a>? Have fun all, just about off to afternoon classes =)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Comment from adv SS this week “This activity showed me I have 2 think in English, not just translate from Czech like I normally do”<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrileymike7<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Big question then: what does the non-bilingual teacher do in a classroom with translation? There are limits… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@lemaistre<\/a> I remeber working in Japan & it was impossible to get ’em to put their electronic translators away #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@yassine36<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Using direct translation!?!? \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> Comment from adv SS this week “This activity showed me I have 2 think in English, not just translate from Czech like I normally do”<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThe nature of Japanese makes it kind of easy to detect. No personal pronouns so, “It likes skiing” type of sentences are common. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: @lemaistre<\/a> I remeber working in Japan & it was impossible to get ’em to put their electronic translators away #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaysealbar<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: Translation of ideas, not words, might be effective in learning. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: Sts use web trans tools instead of dictionaries – more or less effective? #ELTchat<\/a> >>Both can be dodgy!!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@fceblog<\/a> physical beauty is invariably subjective – I’d show them pictures of nature myself. Discussion suggestion is a good one #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> : Spanish over-reliance on translation come from 40 yrs of bad direct-translation method. Scary results. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaysealbar<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Harmerj<\/a>: RT @antoniaclare<\/a>: It’s important that we are encouraging sts to speak Eng rather than banning them from using their L1 < 100%agree #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: @rliberni<\/a> : Spanish over-reliance on translation come from 40 yrs of bad direct-translation method. Scary. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nNo wonder the IoL DipTrans exam is one of the toughest to pass!!! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nDoes appear that certain cultures more keen\/reliant on translation than others. Edu background? Distance b\/w L1 and L2? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Does appear that certain cultures more keen\/reliant on translation than others. Edu background? Distance b\/w L1 and L2? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: Students now use web trans tools instead of dictionaries #ELTchat<\/a> <less effective – no context, 1 answer only<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI tend to think that L1 shouldn’t be allowed as much to beginners for different reasons – but lots of things to take into account. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Does appear that certain cultures more keen\/reliant on translation than others. #ELTChat<\/a> !00% agree<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndatruss<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@fceblog<\/a> Use images? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> good Q – how does L1 culture affect attitute to using translation? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOne can communicate quite adequately without any language – these tools can be used instead of translation #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Shaunwilden<\/a> I often wonder what would have happened if Headway had used L1 instructions \/ meta-language. Where would we be now? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> good Q – how does L1 culture affect attitute to using translation? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaysealbar<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: As any other tool in the language classroom, translation has to be used carefully, but it may be useful if used properly. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@stopspanglish<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> think if s’s become too reliant on translation, it can slow down their progress #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@billpellowe<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Maybe it’s a sign those web-based translation tools need to be used and discussed in class. Pros&cons<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: Yes, translation to confirm an idea is reassuring. #ELTChat<\/a> <but depends on if they have translated ‘correctly’<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIn my computer-based class, I tried a workshop approach on how to use translation sites as a tool. (Writing L1 to produce L2) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @yearinthelifeof<\/a>: @Shaunwilden<\/a> I often wonder what would have happened if Headway had used L1 instructions \/ meta-language. Where would we be now? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: @stopspanglish<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> think if s’s become 2 reliant on translation, it cn slow dn their progress #ELTChat<\/a> I agree<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrileymike7<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> non-bilingual teacher wd have to trust students are using translation tools well,- scary- but can check by monitoring production<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@yearinthelifeof<\/a> Tee hee \ud83d\ude42 It did use to encourage translation in its first editions mind \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyassine36<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@MartinWarters<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Using direct translation!?!? \ud83d\ude42 > it motivates stds as it shows teacher can do some learning efforts<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@billpellowe<\/a> How did it go? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: Do some ‘cultures’ want trabslation more than others? #eltchat<\/a> <personal I think. Depends on exposure to other methods<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> @sandymillin<\/a> Agreed! That’s why teachers should learn how to use translation for learning. \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@stopspanglish<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> have encountered s’s who feel the need to look up every word, & while doing that they miss important stuff #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @hoprea<\/a>: Yes, translation to confirm an idea is reassuring. #ELTChat<\/a> <but depends on if translated ‘correctly’<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> I am curious about why at lower levels translation should not be allowed:)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaysealbar<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @yearinthelifeof<\/a>: @Shaunwilden<\/a> I often wonder what would have happened if Headway had used L1 instructions \/ meta-language. Where would we be now? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> @michelleworgan<\/a> – and translation leads Ss to believe that certain (incomprehensible!!!) structures are OK. #ELTChat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@datruss<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Who chooses the images to explain “beauty”? The teacher? Who owns the learning?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Should learn how to use translation, but how much of language do you have to know too? Asked as multiling NEST!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @EclipsingX<\/a>: @hoprea<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> I’m curious about y at lower levels translation should not be allowed:)Me too, I def need it as a beginner<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fceblog<\/a>: @datruss<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Who chooses the images to explain “beauty”? The teacher? Who owns the learning? ] depends on the level, IMO<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@stopspanglish<\/a> Not if you use their bad translation to highlight the differences #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndatruss<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@fceblog<\/a> You pick a few as examples, then they have to come up with their own. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@EclipsingX<\/a> Allowing students to use L1 will prevent them from acquiring important features of pronunciation, for instance. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI think one fear (and personally I think it’s relevant) is that if you allow lots of translation, it takes over lessons completely. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSome schools actively ban L1 completely #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Pretty good. They summed up in large groups by explaining to each other the various steps they needed to take.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nif clear, deducing meaning from context an important lang learning skill – this might be missed if translation becomes the norm #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nevelinpj1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThat’s true!. RT @daysealbar<\/a>: RT @hoprea<\/a>: Translation of ideas, not words, might be effective in learning. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: Some schools actively ban L1 completely #eltchat<\/a>| I disagree with this situation – it’s not natural<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Well in France translation is baaaaaad practice but the French are not exactly bilingual speakers. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@billpellowe<\/a> Given your context, I think that’s serious progress! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: Some schools actively ban L1 completely #eltchat<\/a> > their DOSes still live in the Direct Method era! \ud83d\ude00<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n“I want that you think that she be arriving here…” Ehhhhhhh? And THIS from a Proficiency student! #ELTChat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: @stopspanglish<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> have encountered s’s who feel the need to look up every word, & while doing that they miss important stuff #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Shaunwilden<\/a> Fair point, has to be worth an MBE \ud83d\ude09 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Shaunwilden<\/a> @EclipsingX<\/a> I believe that grammar and vocabulary are simpler in the beginning of the course. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: I think one fear (and personally I think it’s relevant) is that if you allow lots of translation, it takes over lessons completely. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: Some schools actively ban L1 completely #eltchat<\/a> <mine does<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> I told them that web-based translation sites are not good for their language learning.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@fceblog<\/a> @datruss<\/a> with beginners , teacher usually needs to present ideas – with higher level s’s, I’d ask them to bring images in #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nStevenHerder<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThe L1 use is completely context and level based. Somewhere in Intermediate Ss decide they want 100% English #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Shaunwilden<\/a> had a beginner recently worked out fine with no common language – until her English improved! Amazing speed -necessity #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nCould you suggest some activities perhaps? Time to move on! @Harmerj<\/a> suggesting poems into L1s – any more ideas? time for sharing #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOne thing I always felt deeply, deeply uncomfortable with was the use of “English Only!” Zones in EFL contexts… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nevelinpj1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI gotta go!. #Eltchat<\/a> thanks for sharing such a great information!. Have a nice day!.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @betsydrager<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> like here in CN-my CN colleagues specialty is translation-have learned much from him in 4 yrs-) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@evelinpj1<\/a> Thanks for being with us! \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIN a multilang class, how can the teacher B sure sts are using correct translation.?I have had some funny instances in homework,#ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> heard a story of a blind man thrown out of course 4 spking French to dog! School gave dog Eng lessons!! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @StevenHerder<\/a>: Somewhere in Intermediate Ss decide they want 100% English #ELTchat<\/a> <not necessarily. Many of my SS still need persuading<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaysealbar<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> don’t think any of these should be a norm. Ts should use good sense\/use trans as LAST resource, when evth else has been tried.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI show them this baffling translation by a locally-popular online trans. site http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/b<\/a>-p\/2627199067\/ #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@evelinpj1<\/a> check out transcript later \ud83d\ude42 thx for joining #Eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> or it might encourage them to engage with a word more. I ‘ve tried to move beyond just translation as a student method<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> That was in Canada and the school had a contract with sts to only speak English #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nTyKendall<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ni like translating songs @Marisa_C<\/a> but more about that tonight! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> French only zones are no better. Frustration and whispering in English all around with guilty faces #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nPerhaps one of the reasons translation happens do poorly, is because we’ve buried it and made it taboo (not harnessed it)? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> story of a blind man thrown out of course 4 spking French to dog! School gave dog Eng lessons!! #eltchat<\/a> LOL!!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAs for activities, how about asking stds to write subtitles in L1 for a tv clip? #ELTchat<\/a> Never tried it but could be useful for higher lvls<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ALiCe__M<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> French only zones are no better. Frustration and whispering in English all around with guilty faces #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @TyKendall<\/a>: i like translating songs @Marisa_C<\/a> but more about that tonight! #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: As for activities, how about asking stds to write subtitles in L1 for a tv clip? #ELTchat<\/a> Never tried it but could be useful for higher lvls<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> heard a story of a blind man thrown out of course 4 spking French to dog! School gave dog Eng lessons!! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nStevenHerder<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n“English Only!” Zones in EFL contexts ARE pretty silly at the wrong level #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> yes but it was true – so silly #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @StevenHerder<\/a>: Somewhere in Intermediate Ss decide they want 100% English #ELTchat<\/a> <not necessarily. Many of my SS still need persuading<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThe great Mario has a fab activ in a book L1 text with words in L2 every so often #ELTchat<\/a> – easy to do nowadays<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n\ud83d\ude41 ! Missing afternoon #ELTCHAT<\/a>. Glued to chair with two huge writing deadlines on Friday.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBrunoLeys<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nA complete L1 ban can be unnatural. Id opt for a more positive approach. Make students see the purpose of maximum L2 usage #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bethcagnol<\/a> Hey Beth #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Scraps of paper: L1 one side, L2 the other. Put in circle. Roll dice, say translation (works for very clear direct equivalents)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@StevenHerder<\/a> Welcome to #ELTChat<\/a> Steven – great to have you here. We moved times to cater to Japan (among many other countries) \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> That’s pretty much what I think. We got used to equating translating with mindless repetition and rote learning. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nJust arrived and trying to catch up–what an amazing #ELTChat<\/a> this has been so far!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @BrunoLeys<\/a>: A complete L1 ban can be unnatural. Id opt for a more positive approach. Make students see the purpose of maximum L2 usage #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nvbenevolofranca<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAgree with @englishraven<\/a>: esp adult learners, background in lang learning through translation. Can create overeliance in trans. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: The great Mario has a fab activ in a book L1 text with words in L2 every so often- easy to do nowadays #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nA few cross-linguistic strategies from my MA thesis http:\/\/www2.gol.com\/users\/billp\/thesis\/ch5.html<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMASHinEFL<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> Of course. When THEY decide it’ll be much more successful. My job is to encourage them to try<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> Welcome Barbara and thanks for all the work to spread the word on #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @billpellowe<\/a>: A few cross-linguistic strategies from my MA thesis http:\/\/www2.gol.com\/users\/billp\/thesis\/ch5.html<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> yes, fast and furious! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMy adv stdts and I recently read and translated orally a short story from L1 to L2 – they quite enjoyed the change! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Writing subtitles in L1. Hmm. Recognition skills in L2 and production in L1. Which language are we trying to learn?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @TyKendall<\/a>: i like translating songs @Marisa_C<\/a> but more about that tonight! #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @barbsaka<\/a> Welcome Barbara and thanks for all the work to spread the word on #ELTChat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> Welcome the one and only Barb! Great to have you with us #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @MASHinEFL<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> Of course. When THEY decide it’ll be much more successful. My job is to encourage them to try <agreed!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> I remember mario doing a translation exercise at IATEFL once oral sentences such “She missed him”, was really useful #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOver-reliance on any tool or technique is a dangerous thing. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: Over-reliance on any tool or technique is a dangerous thing. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTranslating songs into new rhymes a very precise discipline #ELTchat<\/a> but fun!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: Over-reliance on any tool or technique is a dangerous thing. Very true! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @hoprea<\/a>: Over-reliance on any tool or technique is a dangerous thing. Very true! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> Right, so how do we set limits, create pathways, to bring translation in from such a long cold? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nvbenevolofranca<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@BrunoLeys<\/a> Agree – no banning! Encouraging use as much L2 as possible! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fceblog<\/a>: @michelleworgan<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Writing subtitles in L1. Which language trying to learn? <depends on if teaching recep \/ prod skills<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@fceblog<\/a> We didn’t say what the objective of trans type activities was – it can be used for diff reasons from L1 – 2 or L2 – 1 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMASHinEFL<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a> Cheers! I had a meeting re-scheduled luckily<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: Over-reliance on any tool or technique is a dangerous thing. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nre. activities – like getting sts to translate L1 newspaper stories into L2 in summary and then present – works in reverse too #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> How about having the student choose wikipedia page in their L1, throw the link in Googletranslate, then improve the results?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nDrama activ: Ss act out scene in L1 then watch it in L2 – great for cultural and paraling ftres awareness #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Well, I guess the very first thing is trying to look at it from a fresher perspective. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\naaaarggh! Trying really hard to follow #eltchat<\/a> but it’s impossible with this computer – I’ll have to read the tapescript. \ud83d\ude41<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @vbenevolofranca<\/a>: @BrunoLeys<\/a> Agree – no banning! Encouraging use as much L2 as possible! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaysealbar<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @hoprea<\/a>: Over-reliance on any tool or technique is a dangerous thing. Very true! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: Well, I guess the very first thing is trying to look at it from a fresher perspective. #ELTChat<\/a> > agree!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Drama activ: Ss act out scene in L1 then watch it in L2 – great for cultural and paraling ftres awareness #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@MASHinEFL<\/a> Welcome ! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngknightbkk<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nLearners want to map ideas in L1 and make sure they have L2 vocab and structures before attempting interactional task #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@fceblog<\/a> Yes, having students improve bad automatic translations can be useful! Like it! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ndid I really say tapescript!? I meant transcript #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nStevenHerder<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@MASHinEFL<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a> Yikes, meeting starting now. Next time, everyone. Looks like a great bunch!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Translating songs into new rhymes a very precise discipline #ELTchat<\/a> but fun!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrileymike7<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> not tried it but maybe dubbing film-clips for higher levels<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Very interesting #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @hoprea<\/a> how do we set limits..2 bring translation in from such a long cold? #ELTChat<\/a> Do what we always do, train &show:-)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyassine36<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nStudents need to move from L1 to L2 in real world. Classroom is the best place to start the process smoothly #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nvbenevolofranca<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> @StevenHerder<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> This is really the case in monolingual groups: switching to L1 can be so easy at Intermediate level.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIf we answer in L2 to students’ remark in L1, they sometimes naturally end up using L2 later on, and conv may flow more naturally. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: re. activities – like getting sts to translate L1 newspaper stories into L2 in summary and then present – works in reverse too #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Drama activ: Ss act out scene in L1 then watch it in L2 – great for cultural and paraling ftres awareness #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRemember when drills were in, then out, then in again (in context\/moderation)? Perhaps something similar for translation? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@StevenHerder<\/a> recently watched the Paul Nation interview L1>L2 trans also helps vocab aquisition – not sure of research tho #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @StevenHerder<\/a> recently watched the Paul Nation interview L1>L2 trans also helps vocab aquisition – not sure of research tho #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: @hoprea<\/a> how do we set limits..2 bring translation in from such a long cold? #ELTChat<\/a> Do what we always do, train &show:-)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaysealbar<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@vbenevolofranca<\/a> Yes, using positive reinforcement always. transl as last resource always as a eliciting via English approach. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Yup! That’s the very same thing I’ve been thinking about. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: If we answer in L2 to students’ remark in L1… #ELTChat<\/a> <yes, but can be lazy to speak L1 if they know u understand<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyassine36<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@vbenevolofranca<\/a> @sandymillin<\/a> @StevenHerder<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> switching to L1 can be so easy at Intermediate level > I agree<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> With Wikipedia articles, it’s easy to find something local not developed yet in En. It could be a real task!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nDrama activ cont: Then they act out same scene in L2 #ELTchat<\/a> – sorry cldn’t describe in 140<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> that’s the problem with new fads they throw all the others out until the nxt comes along! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> Right – good point. The bilingual teacher who listens in L1 and responds in L2. It does actually work well. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @hoprea<\/a> Right – good point. The bilingual teacher who listens in L1 and responds in L2. It does actually work well. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndatruss<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@fceblog<\/a> Another option, you provide non-examples & they have to come up with examples. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fceblog<\/a>: @michelleworgan<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> With Wikipedia articles, it’s easy to find sth local not developed yet in En. It could be a real task!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIf translation is regular and directed part of lessons then often over L1 use diminishes naturally (anecdotal evidence only ;-)) #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> I agree. I’m up for reconsidering translation, but want to avoid babies with bathwater and all that… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @hoprea<\/a> Right – good point. The bilingual teacher who listens in L1 and responds in L2. It does actually work well. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: If translation is regular and directed part of lessons then often over L1 use diminishes naturally (anecdotal evidence only ;-)) #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> that’s the problem with new fads they throw all the others out until the nxt comes along! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> quite right but a little of what you fancy does you no harm at all!! Lol #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nL1 can also be used for input or conversation trigger. For instance, a newspaper article in L1, but dicussion in L2. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: L1 can also be used for input or conversation trigger. For instance, a newspaper article in L1, but dicussion in L2. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@efl101<\/a> Right, so give translation and L1 clearly defined places and roles (and value)? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> Horses for course? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @rliberni<\/a> I agree. I’m up for reconsidering translation, but want to avoid babies with bathwater and all that… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Exactly. That’s the difference between methods and techniques.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: L1 can also be used for input or conversation trigger. For instance, a newspaper article in L1, but dicussion in L2. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@cybraryman1<\/a> Jerry, time to build a translation page ? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: L1 can also be used for input or conversation trigger. For instance, a newspaper article in L1, but dicussion in L2. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> Yes, sometimes the only input material avialble is in L1 for local news #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBrunoLeys<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nLimits are just where it doesn’t facilitate learning. Use L1 only when it is the best tool. Not for the sake of using it. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: L1 can also be used for input or conversation trigger. For instance, a newspaper article in L1, but dicussion in L2. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: L1 can also be used for input or conversation trigger. For instance, a newspaper article in L1, but dicussion in L2. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: L1 can also be used for input or conversation trigger. For instance, a newspaper article in L1, but dicussion in L2. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrileymike7<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> for business lessons replicating real situations useful, eg, getting ss to explain menu, news headlines, signs, etc.,<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Rephrased the question – Do major publishers perpetuate the idea that L1 is bad? Do they create market expectations? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rileymike7<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> for business lessons replicating real situations useful, eg, getting ss to explain menu, news headlines, signs, etc.,<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a> RT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Translating songs into new rhymes a very precise discipline #ELTchat<\/a> but fun!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @BrunoLeys<\/a>: Limits are just where it doesn’t facilitate learning. Use L1 when it is the best tool. Not 4 the sake of using it. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nvbenevolofranca<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a> Agree 100% Finding right balance during lesson & depends on whether receptive\/ productive activity. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTranslation great for practising reported speech as it should be practised – e,g, news articles in L1 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> Or parts of courses for parts of horses perhaps… (not a real great image there – sorry!) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nStudents can demonstrate understanding of different meanings of identical forms by using L1. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> All points of view are valuable! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> LOL i know what you mean #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @billpellowe<\/a>: Students can demonstrate understanding of different meanings of identical forms by using L1. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Translation great for practising reported speech as it should be practised – e,g, news articles in L1 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nFor example, the ‘s in He’s tall, Let’s go, Paul’s car, He’s called twice #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOne activity – find a badly translated menu (they are everywhere!) and get stds to improve it – mostly food vocab but a real task #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> Mr Oprea. I really think you should so a blog post about this. Your ideas for using translation are excellent. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSs can build list of troublesome false cognates #ELTchat<\/a> – certainly useful for Greek learners<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> yep helps if place is ‘natural’ e.g news on L2 country in L1 paper i.e. what is one country’s view of another etc. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: One activity – find a badly translated menu (they are everywhere!) and get stds to improve it – mostly food vocab but a real task #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Ss can build list of troublesome false cognates #ELTchat<\/a> – certainly useful for Greek learners <for all learners, I think<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rileymike7<\/a> interetsing topic the role of publishers in this but they must have reacted initially to sthing? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> yep helps if place is ‘natural’ e.g news on L2 country in L1 paper i.e. what is one country’s view of another etc. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaysealbar<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> True! All the methods are viable. Ts should adjust them for effective learning considering sts learning styles #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Ss can build list of troublesome false cognates #ELTchat<\/a> – certainly useful for Greek learners> and most of my Eropean sts<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: RT @billpellowe<\/a>: Students can demonstrate understanding of different meanings of identical forms by using L1. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> Sorry if said b4 (just arrived), but is this an issue of learner trainer, given large amount of translators, Google domination etc<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @hoprea<\/a> Mr Oprea. I really think you should so a blog post about this. Your ideas for using translation are excellent. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@efl101<\/a> Great, I LOVE that! There are so many places\/situations where translation is NATURAL! Find ’em and use ’em! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Publishers: in my experience, books 2 be sold internationally = no translation, books for local market = almost all translation<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nYou don’t find many ELT tchrs resource or handbooks on translation #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrileymike7<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n?@michelleworgan<\/a>: find a badly translated menu and get stds to improve it – mostly food vocab but a real task #ELTchat<\/a> – – works a treat<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> Badly translated menus are great fun! Best item seen so far “Drunkard’s tidbits” for some Greek meat dish \ud83d\ude00 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> yes knowing diffs good for re-inforcement #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> @hoprea<\/a> A Japanese teacher at my school tried the opposite: Read articles from Newsweek, etc in L2, discuss in L1 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Thanks for the encouragement. I guess I really will and hope there are lots of comments to enlighten the discussion. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @efl101<\/a> Great, I LOVE that! There are so many places\/situations where translation is NATURAL! Find ’em and use ’em! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@efl101<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> You mean, demystifying translation in class reduces the need to translate? That’s interesting.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBrunoLeys<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> @hoprea<\/a> Sounds purposeful. Bring the Ss’ world into the classroom and start dealing with emergent L2 language. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> The market dictates \ud83d\ude09 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @vbenevolofranca<\/a>: Translation is handy with monolingual groups web can’t get meaning lexical item across after attempts: translate! Quick & effective.#ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@nickkiley<\/a> I would agree with that. Good, appropriate, beneficial use of translation could be a matter of learner training. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> “Baby coffins with whipped cream” \ud83d\ude42 Actually pretty tasty!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> there are some great sites for badly written signage around #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nslister<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nreally enjoying lurking on the #ELTchat<\/a> amongst language teachers concerning translating in the classroom (right now!)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: You don’t find many ELT tchrs resource or handbooks on translation #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nhow about having students “rehearse” what they wish to say in L1 before doing a task in L2 to increase output\/fluency? Works for me #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@yearinthelifeof<\/a> Yes, I’m sure there were plenty of trans books published 50 years ago! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @michelleworgan<\/a>: You don’t find many ELT tchrs resource or handbooks on translation #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: how about having students “rehearse” what they wish to say in L1 before doing a task in L2 to increase output\/fluency? Works for me #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: how about having students “rehearse” what they wish to say in L1 before doing a task in L2 to increase output\/fluency? Works for me #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ncorrecting mis-translations can be fun too! (and profitable if sts sell corrected version!) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: how about having students “rehearse” what they wish to say in L1 b4 doing a task in L2 to increase output\/fluency #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nvbenevolofranca<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> @rileymike7<\/a> But wonder if we need to include this in books at all!Isn’t translation something which arises as lessons go?#eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @efl101<\/a> Great, I LOVE that! There are so many places\/sits where translation is NATURAL! Find ’em & use ’em! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> Not so sure about explicit ‘taught’ training – perhaps more in the way of suggestions, ideas? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> there are some great sites for badly written signage around #eltchat<\/a> <and some in the #eltpics<\/a> ‘signs’ album<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@billpellowe<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> That’s also a good idea. It helps teachers see whether students really understood what they read. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@slister<\/a> happy to have you lurk! Welcome #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> Badly translated menus are great fun! Best seen so far “Drunkard’s tidbits” for some Greek meat dish \ud83d\ude00 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: ss “rehearse” what they wish to say in L1 before doing a task in L2 to increase output\/fluency? #eltchat<\/a> > Happens anyway?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\napocryphal I think but Lenin learnt Eng by reverse translating War and Peace (a bloke told me once) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@chucksandy<\/a> Yes, know what you mean. It’s like creating a mental road map (prepping in L1 before using L2). #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Nicely put, Jason! I believe suggestions are more effective. Strategies are different for each person. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@nickkiley<\/a> I think you’re right #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@nickkiley<\/a> @chucksandy<\/a> Yes, happens anyway, but current classroom approaches frown on it or try to bury it… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBrunoLeys<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTranslating is also a skill in itself (e.g. interpreters), but quite a difficult one and therefore not the purpose of ELT #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @chucksandy<\/a> It’s like creating a mental road map (prepping in L1 before using L2). #ELTChat<\/a> Agree with idea of mental map<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @nickkiley<\/a> @chucksandy<\/a> Yes, happens anyway, but current classroom approaches frown on it or try to bury it #ELTChat<\/a> Indeed<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a>: @chucksandy<\/a> Think I still prefer a mental road map in L2? Do prod activity twice, output improves 2nd time round… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @BrunoLeys<\/a>: Translating is also a skill in itself =quite a difficult one &not the purpose of ELT #ELTchat<\/a> <depends on context. Might be<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a>: @chucksandy<\/a> Think I still prefer a mental road map in L2? Do prod activity twice, output improves 2nd time round… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> I think level is important here, too. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nReally it all depends on our purposes – are we using trans to check comprehension, to compare systems and use, as a skill? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: Really it all depends on our purposes – are we using trans to check comprehension, to compare systems and use, as a skill? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @JoshSRound<\/a> I think level is important here, too. #ELTChat<\/a> Yeah, absolutely. Could affect all sorts of considerations<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: Really it all depends on our purposes – are we using trans to check comprehension, to compare systems and use, as a skill? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> True, depends on level #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWhat of the new voice translation software that Google and other companies have been advertising? Will they kill ELT? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @hoprea<\/a> I really think you should so a blog post about this. Your ideas for using translation are excellent. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaysealbar<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> Agreed! Suggestions, not norms! Strategies, not rules. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> Right. At lower levels, trans. is like a coping device. At higher levels, it needs to be more about an art\/skill? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @michelleworgan<\/a> Right. At lower levels, trans. is like a coping device. At higher levels, it needs to be more about an art\/skill? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: What of the new voice translation software that Google and other companies have been advertising? Will they kill ELT? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @michelleworgan<\/a> Right. At lower levels, trans. is like a coping device. At higher levels, it needs to be more about an art\/skill? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@hoprea<\/a> don’t think so ppl still need to perf in English but it may have an effect for passive skills #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @nickkiley<\/a>: @hoprea<\/a> My Ss asked me that re voice translation killing ELT. It would have to improve a lot, though… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: Really it all depends on our purposes – are we using trans to check comprehension, to compare systems and use, as a skill? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: @hoprea<\/a> don’t think so ppl still need to perf in English but it may have an effect for passive skills #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @michelleworgan<\/a> Right. At lower levels, trans. is like a coping device. At higher levels, it needs to be more about an art\/skill? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @nickkiley<\/a>: RT @nickkiley<\/a>: @hoprea<\/a> e voice translation killing ELT. It would have to improve a lot, though… #ELTChat<\/a> & inc pragmatics<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nddeubel<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nGood morning. Has anyone used google’s superb translate chat? I have when corresponding with Ss but not in lessons. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ddeubel<\/a>: Good morning. Has anyone used google’s superb translate chat? I have when corresponding with Ss but not in lessons. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI know one thing. (more) acceptance of translation (and better use of it) would give the bilingual teacher a much-needed boost! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nCliveSir<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMy Mega Pile of Ed Blogs Updated – 633 blogs! #edchat<\/a> #ukedchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> #cpchat<\/a> #ntchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: I know one thing. (more) acceptance of translation (and better use of it) would give the bilingual teacher a much-needed boost! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ddeubel<\/a> How well does it work? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ddeubel<\/a>: Good morning. Has anyone used google’s superb translate chat? I have when corresponding with Ss but not in lessons. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> @nickkiley<\/a> They say it may be working in the (very) near future. But I guess it’ll only work for basic conv initially. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@vbenevolofranca<\/a> I agree it is incidental at the moment but could it be more than this? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWhat about coursebooks? Should we be asking publishers to cater more to the idea\/role of translation skills? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> I had a bit of a nightmare with Google Translate #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n<in a business meeting but following along. great chat!> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBrunoLeys<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI believe we have to watch out for the “translation reflex”. Whenever Ss see a L2 word they want to know the L1 equivalent #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\npelekas<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThe trouble is teachers in the Japanese context tend to over use translation. This is often at the expense of fluency #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nFailblog ( possibly NSFW! ) is a good site for finding funny mis-translations that students can correct #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nvbenevolofranca<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> @hoprea<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Yes, don’t think trans tools will kill ELT. Had a try with diff text genres: difficulty with metaphorical lang.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> Umberto Eco has a great text in “Experiences of Translation” or looking at an Altavista translation #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @pelekas<\/a>: The trouble is teachers in the Japanese context tend to over use translation. #eltchat<\/a> The same is true in the Czech context<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a>: asking publishers 2 cater more 2 idea\/role of trans skills? #ELTChat<\/a> <how? Incorporated in old series or separate strands?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @SueAnnan<\/a> Umberto Eco has a great text in “Experiences of Translation” or looking at an Altavista translation #ELTChat<\/a>> thanks<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThis was fun. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@pelekas<\/a> Not just there. Key to the issue of giving translation a better gig is sorting out how\/when\/why, I think. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI use google translate with prospec stds emails it can be very very misleading – I usually get a real 2nd opinion #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nantoniaclare<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> – don’t think this is really the role of ELT coursebooks(tch translation skills) -sts go to university to study this #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @pelekas<\/a>: The trouble is teachers in the Japanese context tend to over use translation. This is often at the expense of fluency #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @BrunoLeys<\/a>: I believe we have to watch out for the “translation reflex”. Whenever Ss see a L2 word they want to know the L1 equivalent #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: I know one thing. (more) acceptance of translation (and better use of it) would give the bilingual teacher a much-needed boost! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nDoh! My fave topic got 2nd place. And I’m stuck w\/ deadlines. I’ll read the transcript for sure! #ELTCHAT<\/a> Hope to chat music and ELT 2nite!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBArcher001<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: Failblog ( possibly NSFW! ) is a good site for finding funny mis-translations that students can correct #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Not necessarily-however the use of long-winded definitions of phrasal vbs could be reduced – trans can be tchs option #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SueannaN<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> I had a bit of a nightmare with Google Translate #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@vbenevolofranca<\/a> it’s very exciting though! The new developments with translation tools #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: RT @pelekas<\/a>: The trouble is teachers in the Japan overuse translation. #eltchat<\/a> & in Czech context <& many others.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@antoniaclare<\/a> I disagree. I think there should be dedicated sections in a coursebook for learners to translate (for real purposes) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nvbenevolofranca<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @SueAnnan<\/a> Umberto Eco has a great text in “Experiences of Translation” or looking at an Altavista translation #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nddeubel<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSs love this too for translation #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWe are about to finish – last time @Sandymillin<\/a> wrote up a great summary of the chat – may I ask for a different volunteer today? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nadhockley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks to everyone at #ELTchat<\/a> Enjoyed reading the conversation, and apologies for lurking more than contributing.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWhat a blast! Way to go Asia–really enjoyed following along with #ELTChat<\/a>! See you next week \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> At higher levels, translation is a good awareness trigger. I’d say contrastive analysis. Art is too much, you know.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> nice idea – tho we have to remember that translation is itself a very difficult skill #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> Could translation be death of mono-lingual NESTs?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fceblog<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> At higher levels, translation is a good awareness trigger. I’d say contrastive analysis. Art is too much<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@antoniaclare<\/a> For example: Listen to the man (speaking in English). Translate for your boss (in your own country). #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ddeubel<\/a>: Ss love this too for translation #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> I can do it if noone else wants to #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> There are in Straightforward series at all levels #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: We are about to finish – last time @Sandymillin<\/a> wrote up a great summary of the chat – different volunteer today? #ELTchat<\/a> \ud83d\ude09<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nantoniaclare<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nYes, thanks to all. Got called away by phonecall from Hungary, but great to take part. I’ll be back 4 more soon. thanks #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nddeubel<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> @pelekas<\/a> I agree – that’s the slippery slope, misuse because it facilitates communication but little learning at times. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nGot to dash – great moderators in @maris_c<\/a> and @englishraven<\/a> today – thanks what a gr8 discussion! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @antoniaclare<\/a> Listen to the man (speaking in English). Translate for your boss (in your own country). #ELTChat<\/a>> Nice<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nEver hear of Reciprocal Data Driven Learning (DDL) materials (Johns, 1996)? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Shaunwilden<\/a> Thanks Shaun I would love you to do it and put it up on your blog – will send you link to transcript asap #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShaunwilden<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Cool will give me sth to do on the coach home this evening \ud83d\ude42 Is tonights chat the same time as always? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @antoniaclare<\/a> I disagree. I think there should be dedicated sections in a coursebook for learners to translate (for real purposes) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> Has anyone suggested alternatives to written homework during this #ELTCHAT<\/a> (Google translate has been an issue for me).<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nantoniaclare<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> – yes, I agree some translation good idea. Sorry was talking about skills in general. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Shaunwilden<\/a> Yes, same time for tonight’s chat as always 9pm. London time #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> Absolutely. But I think we can start simple\/practical and in moderation… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: Got to dash – great moderators in @maris_c<\/a> and @englishraven<\/a> today – thanks what a gr8 discussion! #eltchat<\/a>> Agreed on both<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbillpellowe<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nDDL uses parallel corpus excerpts to compare specific meanings\/usages. Example: use Disneyland brochures side-by-side. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@antoniaclare<\/a> Yep, see (and agree with your point). \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhoprea<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMany thanks to all #ELTChat<\/a> folks for a lot of food for thought this morning. \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bethcagnol<\/a> I know it’s a nightmare #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> written homework #ELTCHAT<\/a> (Google translate = issue for me)<ask SS to translate back into L1 & compare 2 versions! Often surprised<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> I agree – but I think it’s worth making the point that class translation a prof translation are diff #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: @SueAnnan<\/a> written homework #ELTCHAT<\/a> (Google translate = issue for me)<ask SS to translate back into L1 & compare 2 versions! Often surprised<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks to all who joined #ELTchat<\/a> today and welcome to nee #ELTChatters<\/a>! to my co-mods @riberni<\/a> & @englishravenhuge<\/a> thanks<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> I agree – but I think it’s worth making the point that class translation a prof translation are diff #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks 4 gr8t #eltchat<\/a> again and thanks @marisa_C<\/a> and @englishraven<\/a> for moderating. V enjoyable discussion\/ideas<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nNot a usual thing for #ELTChat<\/a> perhaps, but I’d like to dedicate our ‘thoughts’ to all the flooded out ELTers and ELLs in Brisbane and Qld<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Not a usual thing for #ELTChat<\/a> perhaps, but I’d like to dedicate our ‘thoughts’ to all the flooded out ELTers and ELLs in Brisbane and Qld<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTime flies when you’re having fun. Thanks for great #eltchat<\/a> & to mods @Marisa_C<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> and @rliberni<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Not a usual thing for #ELTChat<\/a> perhaps, but I’d like to dedicate our ‘thoughts’ to all the flooded out ELTers and ELLs in Brisbane and Qld<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> @SueAnnan<\/a> Thanks! #ELTCHAT<\/a> . It’s going to take some “out-of-the-box” thinking.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbuthaina<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SueannaN<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> I had a bit of a nightmare with Google Translate #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Not a usual thing for #ELTChat<\/a> perhaps, but I’d like to dedicate our ‘thoughts’ to all the flooded out ELTers and ELLs in Brisbane and Qld<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAlways a pleasure #ELTChat<\/a> and huge thanks to our mods @Marisa_C<\/a> @Shaunwilden<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> Thx to all who made 1st chat at new time a good one!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks to moderators and all participants in #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: #ELTChat<\/a> I’d like to dedicate our ‘thoughts’ to all the flooded> Always gd to remember the human element during tech chat<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: Thanks 4 gr8t #eltchat<\/a> again AND thanks to @rliberni<\/a> as well for moderating!! V enjoyable discussion\/ideas :))<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAnnouncement for next week’s #ELTchat<\/a> : @barbsaka<\/a> will join us as guest moderator ! We hope to talk her into staying on! \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks for another excellent #ELTChat<\/a> everyone, & to @rliberni<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> for moderating! Catch you later \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nvbenevolofranca<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nGreat #ELTchat<\/a>. Think we could go on with this for hours. So many different aspects to cover.Thanks @Marisa_C<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> for moderating!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> A friend told me she’ll to stop all written homework & do in-class writing from now on. For marks, she has no choice. #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Announcement for next week’s #ELTchat<\/a> : @barbsaka<\/a> will join us as guest moderator ! We hope to talk her into staying on! \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\npaperheretic<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ALiCe__M<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> French only zones are no better. Frustration and whispering in English all around with guilty faces #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrileymike7<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> thanks all, off to tell the teachers to translate everything from now on \ud83d\ude09<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rileymike7<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> thanks all, off to tell the teachers to translate everything from now on \ud83d\ude09 > Te he he !!!!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Thanks all. Enjoy the rest of your day.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Not a usual thing for #ELTChat<\/a> perhaps, but I’d like to dedicate our ‘thoughts’ to all the flooded out ELTers and ELLs in Brisbane and Qld<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rileymike7<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> thanks all, off to tell the teachers to translate everything from now on \ud83d\ude09<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rileymike7<\/a>: off to tell the teachers to translate everything from now on \ud83d\ude09 <must change teaching style after every #eltchat<\/a> \ud83d\ude09<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWill miss tonight’s #eltchat<\/a> Going to Londosa New Year Social :)) Have fun later!!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\npaperheretic<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @hoprea<\/a>: Over-reliance on any tool or technique is a dangerous thing. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstharitou<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: RT @rileymike7<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> thanks all, off to tell the teachers to translate everything from now on \ud83d\ude09 > Te he he !!!!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTranscript for this #ELTchat<\/a> will be up soon – stay put all and @shaunwilden<\/a> our man for today’s summary!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Transcript for this #ELTchat<\/a> will be up soon – stay put all and @shaunwilden<\/a> our man for today’s summary!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Transcript for this #ELTchat<\/a> will be up soon – stay put all and @shaunwilden<\/a> our man for today’s summary!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bethcagnol<\/a> Yes. My husband tried to translate sailing results from French to E. It was gobbledeguck. #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> Good to have a meeting of minds. Thanks all (Mike, I hope you’ll tell them in Italian…)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Shaunwilden<\/a> Can we also share your summary on eltchat.com ? I think everyone would love that! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\ncybraryman1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWedChat:#ClavEd<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> #ntchat<\/a> #ptchat<\/a> #ecosys<\/a>#PHDchat<\/a>#edmusichat<\/a>#SGAchat<\/a> #web20chat<\/a> #DistEd<\/a>#smchat<\/a>#yalitchat<\/a>#FYCchat<\/a>:<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> the calculation is based on experience and observation: ex: a 60min class having an 12min exercise on vocab +tranlastion<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n Tweetchat.com is great for #ELTchat<\/a> if you don’t have tweetdeck with easy RT’s<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @cybraryman1<\/a>: WedChat:#ClavEd<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> #ntchat<\/a> #ptchat<\/a> #ecosys<\/a>#PHDchat<\/a>#edmusichat<\/a>#SGAchat<\/a> #web20chat<\/a> #DistEd<\/a>#smchat<\/a>#yalitchat<\/a>#FYCchat<\/a>:<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@yearinthelifeof<\/a> Great! We’ll be doing it every week from now on! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> translation’s purpose in the lang classroom is to lead to single language use.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Moacir2<\/a> well…. this is very subjective with all due respect #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Guy cook’s wonderful talk on translation is now online Was this mentioned in #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @nickkiley<\/a>: RT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Guy cook’s wonderful talk on translation is now online Was this mentioned in #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Guy cook’s wonderful talk: translation from #DOSconference<\/a> is now online <off 2 watch it now! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nHarmerj<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> sorry I had to\/have to bow out. Have to go. A good conversation. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMoacir2<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> translation can be scattered during class time in order not to disrupt other Ss.in monolingual cls it can be gr8 group or hwk.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @Shaunwilden<\/a>: Guy cook’s wonderful talk: translation from #DOSconference<\/a> is now online <off 2 watch it now! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Harmerj<\/a> Thanks for joining us (however briefly) for #ELTChat<\/a> Nice to have you pop in!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nargyre<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Not a usual thing for #ELTChat<\/a> perhaps, but I’d like to dedicate our ‘thoughts’ to all the flooded out ELTers and ELLs in Brisbane and Qld<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nGusbarcellos<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nJust logged in. Interesting discussion on translation in ELT. I was never against moderate L1 use in class. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@okamisensei<\/a> But is that just\/purely because of translation? I’d call it poor translation… + other factors of course #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Gusbarcellos<\/a> hope u can join next time – transcript will be up soon #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nyearinthelifeof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> @Harmerj<\/a> Thanks too for joining us (however briefly) for #ELTChat<\/a> Wouldn’t get the chance to chat in the real world!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI think our new #ELTChat<\/a> first session time has been a success. Good sign for future chats, with more ELTers from more places. Happy! \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@riberni<\/a> will be uploading transcript soon – must say ciao for now and see you all later! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Very happy! Very rich conversation and thanks to all who joined #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Harmerj<\/a> No worries – we loved having you even for a little while – next time perhaps #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nnickkiley<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> It’s a great use of Twitter to connect people – gr8 yr thinking of start times. Thx all involved. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks for the conversation today:) I really enjoyed it and the new time is great #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEclipsingX<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks for the RTs @Shaunwilden<\/a> @ayearinthelifeof<\/a> @esolcourses<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@EclipsingX<\/a> thanks for coming – it was a good session glad the time has helped ppl to join in #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

\u00a011:28 am Marisa_C: A short pre-reading before #ELTchat – transcript of interview with Guy Cook \ud83d\ude42 11:28 am sandymillin: @Marisa_C #eltchat What, homework? \ud83d\ude42 11:29 am Marisa_C: @sandymillin what? objectin? #eltchat 11:31 am sandymillin: @Marisa_C Nope, reading it now like a good girl \ud83d\ude42 Model student you see! #eltchat 11:32 am russell1955: RT @Marisa_C: A…
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