{"id":935,"date":"2011-01-17T14:45:50","date_gmt":"2011-01-17T13:45:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/eltchat.com\/?p=935"},"modified":"2011-01-17T14:45:50","modified_gmt":"2011-01-17T13:45:50","slug":"using-songs-in-the-eflesl-classroom-eltchat-summary-12012011","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/2011\/01\/17\/using-songs-in-the-eflesl-classroom-eltchat-summary-12012011\/","title":{"rendered":"Using songs in the EFL\/ESL classroom &#8211; #ELTchat summary 12\/01\/2011"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Here is an additional summary for the songs topic contributed by <strong>@fionamau &#8211; <\/strong>you may enjoy reading this one as she has included the IDs of those who suggested ideas or commented, so this one is a much more personal account! Many thanks for this!<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\">Using songs in the EFL\/ESL classroom, or<\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\">Rockband as a Foreign Language<\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\">(subtitle courtesy of @harrisonmike)<\/h2>\n<p>Songs  have long been favourites in the English classroom, whether as a valid  teaching complement to &#8216;serious teaching&#8217; or, typically, as the  &#8216;keep-em-happy&#8217; Friday activity, but when songs were proposed as the  topic for debate on #eltchat on a chilly Wednesday GMT evening in early  January 2011, it prompted the weaving of a long, multicoloured, snaking  scarf of a conversation which was much enjoyed by all those knitting it  and will probably outlast most other Christmas presents in its  usefulness.<\/p>\n<p>For  the sake of ease, rather than summarise the chat in chronological  order, I am taking the questions asked by various participants then  other comments (threads and activities) that were then discussed as the  basis for this summary. As others have drawn up complete lists of the  links to songs etc proposed, they will be added at the end, by way of a  ps.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Part One: The questions<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>There  were in fact only twelve questions asked, but six of them drew a  significant number of responses. Here are those six with the ensuing  discussions, in chronological order.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>1 @TyKendall asked: Can i ask why teachers like or dislike using songs in the classroom?<\/p>\n<p>Answers were as follows:<br \/>\n@sandymillin  said she liked songs because they&#8217;re a connection to real English,  though some of her students don&#8217;t like singing&#8230;something @hoprea  echoed and a whole conversation thread on singing ran through the hour  and is summarised below.<br \/>\n@Marisa_C said she uses songs because she loves them, and her students do too. Others agreed<br \/>\n@cioccas  said that some Students can hear their pronunciation problems disappear  while singing, so it gives them hope they\u2019ll get there in the end<br \/>\n@JoeMcVeigh  said that songs and music get students&#8217; attention. They stop and listen  and focus better with the music added to the words. Others agreed.<br \/>\n@Marisa_C  \u00a0suggested that songs enable bottom-up\/top-down processing  simultaneously..that\u2019s got be something! And many agreed with her.<br \/>\n@hoprea  said that songs are useful for working on suprasegmental aspects of  language and @harrisonmike added that songs (and poems) a great way to  look at words that share the same sounds, giving Shakira&#8217;s Fool as one  good example. @steve_kirk added to this aspect by saying that songs  provide multiple routes to language retention: rhythm, melody, metre. It  all helps SS hang onto the lang. Several people agreed. On the other  hand @billpelowe said he&#8217;d found that Japanese students really don\u2019t get  the idea of rhyme in songs unless it is explicitly taught to them.<br \/>\n@TyKendall  gave his personal answer saying that he has found that songs are a  great way to access slang and to move beyond the sometimes colourless  textbook language. The whole area of slang was later discussed  entensively.<\/p>\n<p>@EleniPat  moved away from language reasons, and towards &#8216;soft skills&#8217; related  ones, saying she likes working on songs because her students feel  relaxed and participate more \u00a0@smaragdav also cited &#8216;human&#8217; reasons,  saying songs help boost students with learning difficulties&#8217; self  confidence because you don&#8217;t need to spell or read once you learn the  song<\/p>\n<p>@janetbianchini  mentioned singing, saying students love singing songs, plus as an  activity singing provides great pronunciation practice (echoing opinions  above), vocab extension, vocab themes and it\u2019s great fun! Marisa added  that songs are great for pronunciation practice, especially sound  linking and reduction.<\/p>\n<p>@steve_kirk  and vickysaumell mentioned poetry. Steve said that he liked looking at  songs as poetry: Form, metaphor, emotion. He added that working  extensively with lyrics post-listening can be very powerful. Vicky said  that, whenever teaching teens poetry, she starts with a song to make it  more accessible.<br \/>\nFinally,  @TEFL said that at his\/her kids\u2019 school, music is used for exercise.  D.P.A. Daily Physical Activity. Kids and teachers dance to hip hop every  day \u2013 which sounds a lot of fun!<\/p>\n<p>BUT  not all the answers to Ty&#8217;s initial question were keen &#8216;yeah, songs are  brill&#8217; answers.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Some words of caution were also offered:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><\/strong><br \/>\n@derekspalla  pointed out that one challenge is finding or creating songs\u2026the process  is time consuming for both @cioccas agreed that the choice of song can  sometimes be very difficult, especially in classes with ages 18-80 and  from 15-20 different cultural backgrounds and @Marisa_C added that often  the teacher&#8217;s taste is very different because of the generation gap  with some students. She said that she&#8217;d spotted glazed eyes at eg  Beatles songs in classes. In response to this, @gret said that he\/she  loves using songs to encourage discussions in literature classes, eg  when discussing Animal Farm, Revolution  by The Beatles is good. \u00a0In response to Marisa, @TyKendall pointed out  that we can still get learners to generate language even if they don\u2019t  like the song; they can talk about their dislikes and @marekandrews  agreed, saying that it\u2019s good to milk a song for all the cultural  connections, and you can take it to unusual places. \u00a0@billpelowe  suggested just discussing a song in general, &#8216;natural&#8217; terms eg if  they&#8217;ve heard it before, do they like it etc,<br \/>\n@SueannaN  \u00a0said that the value of songs really depends on what you do with them  in the classroom. Just because it&#8217;s music doesn\u2019t mean it&#8217;ll suit  everyone, and this is particularly true with teens. Others agreed with  her. @BethCagnol said that teens do find some songs boring unless  they\u2019re tied to their favourite shows (e.g. theme from How I Met Your Mother)<br \/>\n@monicamalpas77  mentioned that sometimes it\u2019s hard to choose a popular song because  students like different kinds of music and the lyrics might have taboo  words \u00a0@Shaunwilden asked if that meant teachers should alter the lyrics  or censor songs? This thread was also discussed in some depth and is  summarised below.<\/p>\n<p>@Chaoukiboss  said that it doesn\u2019t matter whether Ts like songs or not. Songs can  achieve the goals only when learners like them, and others agreed.  @monicamalpas77 said she reduced the chances of choosing a duff song by  asking for suggestions for bands, singers,etc before choosing the song  and @iVenus echoed this by suggesting getting students to help choose  songs by giving five suggestions and asking them to vote for the top 3.  @BethCagnol told everyone that she had \u00a0actually had a student who was  music-phobic and hated it! This had really made classes\u2026interesting<\/p>\n<p>2 @sandymillin Do you use songs with videos or just audio?<br \/>\nAnswers were as follows:<br \/>\n@iVenus  thought that the fact that we can watch videos as well as listen to  songs really enhances student experience, an opinion echoed by @cioccas<br \/>\n@hoprea  was more cautious, saying that he finds that even though it makes songs  more interesting, video can also be very distracting. @JoeMcVeigh  agreeds but @esolcourses, while agreeing video can be distracting, said  that sometimes you can utilise the visuals to teach a language point.<\/p>\n<p>@Shaunwilden  was the first to mention using youtube, and @iVenus mentioned the  karaoke versions of songs on YouTube. He\/She has an occasional sing off  w\/ students! Karaoke was one of the buzzwords of the chat and was cited  as a very popular activity especially for class bonding and end of term.<br \/>\n@harrisonmike mentioned that videos are great for mixing up the words and visuals of a song and gave us a link to an activity<br \/>\n@sandymillin  warned of the dangers of not preparing your video class beforehand,  mentioning a teacher who had prepared activities for Lady Gaga&#8217;s Telephone,  then watched video last minute and found it wasn\u2019t suitable  \u00a0@monicamalpas77 agreed that it\u2019s really important to watch the videos  before playing them but said you can just use other pictures instead  while listening.<\/p>\n<p>@JoeMcVeigh \u00a0Videos as writing prompts. Students watch, then retell or answer questions. e.g. Michael Bubl\u00e9 video Just haven\u2019t met you yet<\/p>\n<p>3 link slang and taboo words to here @hoprea What  about songs with taboo or swear words? Would you use them in class? For  instance, teens asking for hit songs with such words.<br \/>\n<strong>The answers were:<\/strong><br \/>\n@cioccas  suggested using to teach those words and discuss why they are taboo, an  idea that seemed to appeal to @hoprea. @cioccas then pointed out that  students need to be aware of these words when they live in  English-speaking countries and hear swearing around them. @marekandrews  agreed with this take, saying that appropriate groups discussing  \u201cinappropriate\u201d lyrics might be very productive.<\/p>\n<p>On  the other hand, @harrisonmike finds that, even though he teaches  adults, he wouldn\u2019t use a song with loads of swearwords because some of  his learners aren&#8217;t particularly mature.<\/p>\n<p>@JenniWellsted suggested finding the radio edit ie the one with the beeped words or modified lyrics (eg \u201cForget\u201d you  by Cee-Lo) \u00a0@derekspalla echoed this, saying you can usually find  \u201cclean\u201d versions of student songs that have offensive lyrics or themes.  However, @hoprea pointed out that students are likely to already know  the song and will tend to sing it using the dirty words. \u201cNot after they  learn the \u201cnew\u201d version you teach them,\u201d said @derekspalla. \u201cIt will  get stuck in their head I promise \u201c<br \/>\n@TyKendall  suggested that appropriacy is always an issue when dealing with  authentic material, songs are no different, and teachers should use  their judgement. @esolcourses added to this pointing out that the  context you are teaching in, the age group, and whether lyrics may cause  offence to some students are all relevant considerations. As  @marekandrews said, it always comes down to the sensitivity of the  teacher.<\/p>\n<p>4 @nickkiley: Anyone ever encountered strong student resistence to songs in class?<br \/>\nAnswers here fell under two headings: songs and singing<br \/>\nSongs<br \/>\n@Shaunwilden and @cioccas had experienced reluctance from students regarding using songs.<br \/>\nIn  Shaun&#8217;s case, the choice of song was the problem, \u201cWhen trying to be  trendy with teens. A few years ago, I had a class of mainly teen boys,  they listened to rap etc so thought it would be a good idea\u201d. They  didn&#8217;t buy it. And the topic of rap was cause for some discussion.  @TyKendall said he thinks teen pop culture is so hard to keep up with  but he usually avoids rap simply because of the speed. \u00a0@cioccas said  she had used some Australian hip hop, to encourage writing about  \u2018issues\u2019, but that the listening is sometimes very difficult!  @esolcourses felt that rap is really only for higher levels. However,  said @cioccas, younger refugees from Africa also like hip hop.  @billpelowe mentioned that one of his students\u2019 graduation thesis is on  rap (rhyme &amp; content analysis, etc). He uses urbandictionary.com to  understand lyrics. @TyKendall pointed out that rap can often be  misogynistic and homophobic, so the teacher needs to choose carefully,  although it is a good way of bringing those topics into the classroom.<br \/>\n@cioccas  had had negative reactions from some more serious students who don&#8217;t  think it&#8217;s real learning. @nickkiley asked if she dropped the songs in  this case. @cioccas answered \u201cNo, I show them how singing leads to  learning \u2013 how we use it for grammar, etc. It&#8217;s very hard with lower  levels of course!\u201d @marekandrews suggested that it&#8217;s good to get  students to decide on a song together and work with it, then discuss how  useful it was for whatever.<br \/>\nSinging linking singing in 1 to here<br \/>\n@smaragdav  has encountered reluctance from shy students, as they are worried about  singing. @nickkiley asked if there were any strategies to deal with  this reaction. @sandymillin suggested getting the students to choose the  song and @smaragdav answered that she tries to encourage the shy ones  by smiling to them while she&#8217;s singing, but never pressures them.<br \/>\n@monicamalpas77  said that when students don\u2019t want to sing, she replays the beginning  of the song as many times as necessary til she sees \u2018everyone\u2019 singing \u2013  it doesn&#8217;t take long for them all to join in. They start laughing but  then start singing. @nickkiley and @cioccas pointed out that some people  really just hate singing, including teachers, and @grahamstanley  agreed, saying you have to check that your students are ok with singing.  Someone pointed out that singing alone is embarrassing but that singing  in a group come overcome that, to which @Marisa_C added that singing  together is, in fact, great for group bonding; \u201clike at a football  match\u201d said @nickkiley.<br \/>\nA  discussion on the merits of being a good or bad singer was then sparked  off, the general consensus being it&#8217;s probably better not to be too  great a singer yourself, as &#8216;good&#8217; singing from the teacher can be  off-putting for students! \u00a0@monicamalpas77 said that students always  find it funny when she sings with them, \u201cI sing badly!\u201d she said \u201cbut as  I don\u2019t get embarrassed, they follow me\u201d. @grahamstanley also claimed  to a less than tuneful singer and mentioned that his singing can end in a  potentially bemusing or amusing Name that tune  game as students try to work out what he&#8217;s singing. @TyKendall also  confessed to being unable to carry a tune, but this is no impediment to  our diehards \ud83d\ude09<br \/>\nOn a slightly different note, if you&#8217;ll pardon the pun, @vickysaumell said that she uses Black Eyes Peas\u00b4Where is the Love and she challenges her classes to sing it through from beginning to end for a good \u201cgrade\u201d.<br \/>\nSlightly  more sombrely, @Marisa_C said she had had no resistance but sometimes  felt reluctant to make a class of impoverished refugees start  singing&#8230;&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p>5 @JoeMcVeigh What do you think are the QUALITIES of a good song to use in the classroom? What do you consider when choosing songs?<br \/>\n<strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Answers were as follows:<\/strong><br \/>\n@harrisonmike \u2013 speed, and age suitability (eg 1 2 3 4 5 once I caught a fish alive is no good for 10yr-olds) Others agreed with this last point, particularly in the case of teenagers.<br \/>\n@sueleather &#8211; it should be a song students like<br \/>\n@smaragdav &#8211; students&#8217; age, taste in music and teaching purpose<\/p>\n<p>@grahamstanley  and many others let students choose a lot of the time, to which @marek  added that it is good to then get them to do presentations and projects  on the bands they chose.<br \/>\n@vickysaumell  asks students to choose a song about a global issue, they then sing  along, and discuss the issue. She said that students feel empowered when  they choose the song.. they can even gap the songs themselves.<\/p>\n<p>6 @grahamstanley Does anyone have any \u2018story songs\u2019 to suggest (i.e. songs with stories in them)? \u2013 they are usually great to use in class<br \/>\nThe answers were as follows:<br \/>\n@sandymillin Spanish Train or Patricia the Stripper (Chris de Burgh) might be good.<br \/>\n@Marisa_C She&#8217;s leaving home Beatles<br \/>\n@SueannaN \u00a0the album \u2018The Boy Bands Have Won\u2019 has some great story songs. Also Folk songs<br \/>\n@cioccas Paul Kelly may be good, may be too Australian<br \/>\n@fionamau Young Hearts Run Free  Candi Staton or Kim Mazelle (give students some of the lyrics, ask them  to devise video clip THEN play the song; the music is in stark contrast  to the words). Also \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Delilah \u2013 Tom Jones.<br \/>\n@harrisonmike \u00a0Stereophonics \u00a0I stopped to fill my car up<br \/>\n@JoeMcVeigh \u00a0Peter Paul &amp; Mary &#8216;The Cruel War&#8217; \u00a0&#8216;Spanish is the loving tongue&#8217; Michael Martin Murphey<br \/>\n@nickkiley always thought there might be a (long) lesson in Dylan\u2019s Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts<br \/>\n@marekandrews once taught Girlfriend in a coma  (The Smiths) to teach \u201cI could have\u201d pronunciation, and a girl started  crying because her best friend had been in coma and died&#8230;.. \u00a0\u00a0So the  moral is choose your story with care!<\/p>\n<p><strong>The other questions were (feel free to answer them in the comments section):<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>7 @billpelowe We believe that slow songs can help students learn intonation, elision etc., but does it really?<br \/>\n@BethCagnol thought that slower songs can confuse students due to their elongated vowels.<\/p>\n<p>8 @hoprea I  guess the very first thing is defining why you\u2019re playing a song in  class. Is it just for fun or is there a clear learning goal?<br \/>\n@derekspalla  said teachers should always have a clear learning goal, especially with  older students, and @hoprea pointed out that sometimes fun and  relaxation can be the goal.<br \/>\n@monicamalpas77  \u00a0answered that she uses songs with teenagers to motivate them too. They  know there\u2019ll be a song and just can\u2019t wait, but it also depends on  your students.<\/p>\n<p>9 @BethCagnol \u00a0Any of your students think they are \u201cbad\u201d in English because they don\u2019t understand the lyrics of songs in English?<br \/>\n@Shaunwilden  \u2013 and many others &#8211; struggles to understand some songs in English, let  alone students. @BethCagnol said that the French seem to use this as a  benchmark to their level of English.<\/p>\n<p>10 @JoeMcVeigh Any success with songs from musicals?<br \/>\n@cioccas said that she knew a teacher who has done the whole of \u2018Sound of Music\u2019 and \u2018Mary Poppins\u2019 over a semester!<\/p>\n<p>11 @steve_kirk Instrumental music can be a gr8 way to frame a guided visualisation. How else do you use music without words?<br \/>\n@Marisa_C \u00a0said that Suggestopedia type or adaptations thereof necessitate soft background music (at 60 megacycles<br \/>\n@sandymillin and @derekspalla ask students to draw while listening then compare pictures.<br \/>\n@fionamau  \u00a0Elicit a class story from a song or piece of music (eg Duo de las  flores by Delibes), by stopping and asking questions (where? Who? What  are they doing?) to build story. Sts then write it, adding own details.<\/p>\n<p>12 @nickkiley Anyone done any football songs in class?<br \/>\n@Marisa_C hasn&#8217;t, but she&#8217;s done the pub song Show me the way to go home<br \/>\nSomeone else mentioned a friend who has made a whole short course on football for one of the WCs, inc terrace chants.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Part Two: Other threads<br \/>\n<\/strong><br \/>\n13  @derekspalla said he personally tries to \u201csing\u201d all of the songs  himself\u2026my students get a kick out of it even when I do it badly \u00a0\u00a0(see  singing above) \u00a0@gret also does that a lot too. His\/Her students used to  sing in front of the class last year too. Some even wrote their own  songs \u00a0\u00a0@derekspalla said that having students write a song is a great  idea too and he will be trying that, especially with his older ones  @gret said that some students shared the songs on their blogs! Others  shared the videos on the blogs and then sang in class. They even had a  Skype call with @<a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1x3RhLl4FNUZFZ1D7le37AX27DLW5Jl3CVCFZTD28glA\/edit?pli=1\">flourishingkids<\/a>\u2018 class in California. \u201cWe sang for them and they sang for us! It was amazing\u201d<\/p>\n<p>14  @sandymillin often has background music to put students at ease when  doing song tasks. And if she sings along (which she does) they laugh and  relax \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1x3RhLl4FNUZFZ1D7le37AX27DLW5Jl3CVCFZTD28glA\/edit?pli=1\">@Shaunwilden<\/a> used to use background music, but his students preferred not to have  it. @harrisonmike agreed that background music isn&#8217;t for everyone, and  quoted @<a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1x3RhLl4FNUZFZ1D7le37AX27DLW5Jl3CVCFZTD28glA\/edit?pli=1\">Harmerj<\/a> as having told him he&#8217;d seen a teacher turn on background music for a  speaking activity without asking students, which wasn&#8217;t good.  \u00a0@sandymillin said it depends on if the class is quiet. She sometimes  turns it off once they start speaking, but sometimes finds that  background silence stops them talking. However, she also said that if @<a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1x3RhLl4FNUZFZ1D7le37AX27DLW5Jl3CVCFZTD28glA\/edit?pli=1\">Harmerj<\/a> says she shouldn\u2019t, then she had better ask more. Some students had  given her feedback that they like background music because it&#8217;s more  relaxed.<\/p>\n<p>15  @grahamstanley said that using an IWB means that he can also now  prepare a song in 5 minutes to use with his young learners.  @harrisonmike then pointed out that this is true if the internet  connection and network are all good, with a wink and a smile. Others  agreed with this. @grahamstanley also takes Play Station and plays  karaoke using Singstar. Many others do this too, and it is generally a  popular and successful activity. @grahamstanley then recommended using  youtube and spotify for the music, and then copying and pasting the  lyrics on the IWB. He said \u201cIt\u2019s great to be able to use a song that my  YLs are into that day, rather than wait until next class\u201d. Spotify is  also great for displaying songlists based on music genre or even the  year a student was born (predict the songs)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Part Three: Other Comments and Activities (in brief)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>@SueannaN \u00a0Chants are good for pronunciation exercises \u00a0@shaznosel sorry to say but teenagers find chants boring..too much like poetry..songs are for the teens.<\/p>\n<p>@marekandrews  good with new group to get ss to write down songs they like and for you  as teacher to make sure everyone\u2019s song is dealt with in some way<\/p>\n<p>@Marisa_C asks sts to write additional verses<\/p>\n<p>@hoprea  \u00a0Play song once, ask students to write down as many words as they can,  pair them up, and ask them to create a new song w\/ the words (sort of  dictogloss).<\/p>\n<p>@Shaunwilden \u00a0An Idea I got from @<a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1x3RhLl4FNUZFZ1D7le37AX27DLW5Jl3CVCFZTD28glA\/edit?pli=1\">cheimi10<\/a> was 2 use screen capture 2 take pics from a song video, they can then be used 4 ordering\/ prediction<\/p>\n<p>@iVenus  The usual pre- ; while- and post- listening\/viewing phases are  something I use often. Covers mood, vocabulary and application<\/p>\n<p>@harrisonmike  \u00a0If there are different visuals to a music video, or advert using a  song, it can be interesting to consider the differences.<\/p>\n<p>@harrisonmike  \u00a0Can be interesting to think about using and comparing cover versions  w\/originals (or same song in different languages) eg Halleluyah (L Cohen, R Wainwright, X Factor person&#8230;)<\/p>\n<p>@janetbianchini get students to write words for the music.<\/p>\n<p>@grahamstanley  \u00a0Another idea with music videos is for them to play the song and ask  them to design a concept for the video or design own video clip.<\/p>\n<p>@SueannaN  I \u00a0use mix of music from the countries of my students. They have 2  explain similarities &amp; differences in the sentiments of the songs  \u00a0@marekandrews national anthems good for this @smaragdav \u00a0Get YL to mime  song , teens to act out a scene of what they think happened.  Improvising this is fun<\/p>\n<p>@marekandrews playing a song when sts are coming into class but not doing any activities w it can help create pos mood for class<\/p>\n<p>@BethCagnol It\u2019s also fun to show students websites that list \u201cmisheard\u201d lyrics by native speakers. Funny stuff!<\/p>\n<p>@SueannaN \u00a0Do a kind of Jukebox Jury with a handful of songs. Students have to vote for their favourite. Good TBL task<\/p>\n<p>@janetbianchini  Write key words on bits of coloured paper \u2013 hand out to ss \u2013 they have  to stand up when they hear their word \u2013 usually great fun!<\/p>\n<p>@sandymillin Inspired by @<a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1x3RhLl4FNUZFZ1D7le37AX27DLW5Jl3CVCFZTD28glA\/edit?pli=1\">lclandfield<\/a> \u2013 use www.overstream.net \u2013 Ask SS to subtitle song. Then compare each other\u2019s versions<\/p>\n<p>@vickysaumell \u00a0Lyrics training great for autonomous work on the songs they like <\/p>\n<p>@hooperchris  \u00a0issues \u00a0Getting s to consider songs + singers re equal &amp; diversity  very good 4 + citizenship [&amp;] positive role models<\/p>\n<p>@SueannaN \u00a0Give students half the rhyme and get them to make up the other half- Can be hilarious (careful with teens)<\/p>\n<p>@JoeMcVeigh Scrambled lyrics: give students lyrics but put lines out of order. Students reorder, then listen<\/p>\n<p>@sandymillin  \u00a0Get SS to make a playlist at listen.grooveshark.com then ask them to  walk around class &amp; find out who else\u2019s they would listen 2<\/p>\n<p>@harrisonmike \u00a0I got CAE students to punctuate In The Ghetto and Bang Bang My Baby Shot Me Down \u00a0&#8211; didn&#8217;t tell them they were songs at first.<\/p>\n<p>@hoprea  \u00a0Play bits of songs \/ soundtracks and ask students to write adjectives  they think of on the board \u2013 no repetition allowed.<\/p>\n<p>@sandymillin \u00a0Play a soundtrack and ask SS to guess the kind of film \u2013 good for slightly out-of-date so not too easy<\/p>\n<p>@vickysaumell Grammar revision through song titles<\/p>\n<p>@janetbianchini  Do a wordle to predict the song theme- ss make up their own song based  on wordle then compare with real song to see who is accurate. Also  @grahamstanley A great warmer for a song is to stick the lyrics in  Wordle or <a href=\"http:\/\/worditout.com\/\">http:\/\/worditout.com\/<\/a> and ask learners to guess song from word cloud<\/p>\n<p><strong>PS The Recommendations<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>@harrisonmike \u00a0Love the juxtaposition of music and words in @<a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1x3RhLl4FNUZFZ1D7le37AX27DLW5Jl3CVCFZTD28glA\/edit?pli=1\">Harmerj<\/a> and Steve Bingham\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/UHeLQPtUjFM\">http:\/\/youtu.be\/UHeLQPtUjFM<\/a><br \/>\n@BethCagnol One of my FAVE songs to use is \u201cAnything you can do I can do better\u201d for the comparative<br \/>\n@TyKendall i like how Mark Andrews used Katy Perry\u2019s firework to tackle a taboo subject <a href=\"http:\/\/markandrews.edublogs.org\/\">http:\/\/markandrews.edublogs.org\/<\/a> (RT + harrisonmike That was cool!)<br \/>\n@grahamstanley \u00a0My favourite modals (for prediction) song is \u2018The ballad of Billy Jo\u2019 \u2013 there\u2019s a version by Sinead O\u2019Connor<br \/>\n@janetbianchini \u00a0Love doing Eternal Flame by the Bangles with Elems -great pres cont + miming actions +body vocab practice <a href=\"http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/yrw937\">http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/yrw937<\/a><br \/>\n@marekandrews comparing two versions of Candle in the Wind <a href=\"http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/6g3athf\">http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/6g3athf<\/a><br \/>\n@Marisa_C beginners (and teacher trainees) Don&#8217;t know much about&#8230; get them to write new verse<br \/>\n@gret Hello, Goodbye Beatles, extra verse<br \/>\nTake that \/ Robbie Williams<br \/>\n@JoeMcVeigh \u00a0Useful teacher resource book: Music and Song by Tim Murphey. (OUP)  or (Amazon-US) <a href=\"http:\/\/amzn.to\/gf9ALI\">http:\/\/amzn.to\/gf9ALI<\/a><br \/>\n@Shaunwilden Remembered I had a blog post on using pencil full of lead (the vid is superb for an EFL class)<br \/>\n@hoprea I really like using songs to work on pronunciation. Activities as this one:<br \/>\n@smaragdav YL making video clip of Singing in the rain<br \/>\nA nice suggestion is getting Weird Al\u2019s versions and comparing with originals. The videos are also a good idea<br \/>\n@janetbianchini To practise a grmmar point eg present perf cont this song by Foreigner is great <a href=\"http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/ldu5xw\">http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/ldu5xw<\/a> Do A\/B close gap activity<br \/>\n@SueannaN  Musical lessons prepared for the English teacher<br \/>\n@esolcourses Some online song quizzes on my website, (Gap fills, multiple choice,etc) sorted by level:<br \/>\n@europeaantje Misheard lyrics <a href=\"http:\/\/www.kisstheguy.com\/\">www.kissthisguy.com<\/a><br \/>\n@smaragdav <a href=\"http:\/\/j.mp\/L5DvG\">http:\/\/j.mp\/L5DvG<\/a> is a great site. Make a quiz on lyrics. Ss answer as they watch the video clip<br \/>\n@janetbianchini Tune into English.com is a fab free resource to use with ss!! <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tuneintoenglish.com\/\">http:\/\/www.tuneintoenglish.com\/<\/a><br \/>\n@fionamau \u00a0In the ghetto <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=QrTfYItDDwA\">http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=QrTfYItDDwA<\/a> 2 demo importance of working on yr pronunciation<br \/>\n@SueannaN  \u00a0Billy Bragg, Bob Dylan for &#8216;issues&#8217;. ALSO Beatles for Taxman  (ESHalvorsen \u2013 BE sts, comparative and gripes!) \u00a0Chumbawumba&#8217;s Add re  internet safety<\/p>\n<p>And an all-star cast including: Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Barenaked ladies, Glee, Dido, Alannis Morissette, Beatles (Hello, goodbye for extra verse, Taxman for comparative, Penny Lane for articles, She&#8217;s leaving home, Lucy in the sky for prepositions, Jealous Guy (OK, it&#8217;s J Lennon, not Beatles) for past cont and relationsips) \u2026&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p><strong> @fionamau for eltchat.com, January 2011 <\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here is an additional summary for the songs topic contributed by @fionamau &#8211; you may enjoy reading this one as she has included the IDs of those who suggested ideas or commented, so this one is a much more personal account! Many thanks for this! 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