{"id":938,"date":"2011-01-19T17:04:10","date_gmt":"2011-01-19T16:04:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/eltchat.com\/?p=938"},"modified":"2011-01-19T17:04:10","modified_gmt":"2011-01-19T16:04:10","slug":"to-test-or-not-to-test-and-if-we-dont-what-then","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/eltchat.org\/index.php\/2011\/01\/19\/to-test-or-not-to-test-and-if-we-dont-what-then\/","title":{"rendered":"To Test or not to Test? And if we don’t, what then? – transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

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11:55 am<\/a><\/td>\nShellTerrell<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: 5 mins to #ELTChat<\/a> folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:55 am<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: 5 mins to #ELTChat<\/a> folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:56 am<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: 5 mins to #ELTChat<\/a> folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:56 am<\/a><\/td>\nDinaDobrou<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOff to work! Will catch 2nd #ELTchat<\/a> later tonight, hopefully with a couple of visitors…let’s see…bye all.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:56 am<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @DinaDobrou<\/a> This looked clear and succinct:\u00a0 Hope it helps. #ELTchat<\/a> – Very interesting, thanks!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:56 am<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: 5 mins to #ELTChat<\/a> folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:57 am<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: 5 mins to #ELTChat<\/a> folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:57 am<\/a><\/td>\nJoeMcVeigh<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSorry, must clear snow from driveway and take son to school. Have a great #ELTchat<\/a>, everyone.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:58 am<\/a><\/td>\ncerirhiannon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoeMcVeigh<\/a>: Sorry, must clear snow from driveway and take son to school. Have a great #ELTchat<\/a>, everyone.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:58 am<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: 5 mins to #ELTChat<\/a> folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:58 am<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@janetbianchini<\/a> Thank, Janet. Will give it a read after the chat \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:59 am<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMay we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet about other links, their wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat<\/a>. It confuses ppl who follow it<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
11:59 am<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a> my post a little while ago on testing.. links in it to two gr8 posts by @michelleworgan<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet about other links, their wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat<\/a>. It confuses ppl who follow it<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet other links, wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat<\/a>. It confuses ppl who follow it<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoeMcVeigh<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOn way out door, highly recommend A Practical Guide to Assessing ELLs by Coombe, Folse, Hubley. – U Michigan P. Very practical #ELTchat<\/a>.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\ncerirhiannon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nschool run calling me away too #eltchat<\/a> have a great convo – will be following on the transcript<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHello everybody on #ELTchat<\/a>, just finished cleaning bathroom in time!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIt’s 9 pm in Japan…Here we go! For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat<\/a>: Testing–Should we? How?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> oops #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHi all! It’s a nice sunny afternoon here in Abruzzo. Looking forward to #ELTChat<\/a> now<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMaha9313<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: 5 mins to #ELTChat<\/a> folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> Hello Barbara and welcome to #ELTchat<\/a>! It’s great to have you moderate with us today!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI believe in self-assessment rather than testing or as a part of testing. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nFor the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat<\/a> Hi everyone!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat<\/a> Hi everyone!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: It’s 9 pm in Japan…Here we go! For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat<\/a>: Testing–Should we? How?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhideotakamini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ShellTerrell<\/a>: Incredible opportunity to attend gr8test Edu conf in Istanbul w expenses paid #eltchat<\/a> #istek<\/a> #esl<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> How do you have students self-asses? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOkay, it’s #ELTChat<\/a> time. I’m co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> and special guest @barbsaka<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMay I ask you to remember the #ELTchat<\/a> hashtag<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Okay, it’s #ELTChat<\/a> time. I’m co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> and special guest @barbsaka<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHow else do you asses your students? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> We’re in middle of mid-year testing season – obligatory for company figures + to be sent to head office. Not always good idea?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a> May we ask fellow teachers NOT to use #ELTChat<\/a> hashtag to tweet abt other links DURING #ELTchat<\/a>. It confuses ppl who follow it<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSelf-assessment an important learner tool – how do you promote it? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Okay, it’s #ELTChat<\/a> time. I’m co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> and special guest @barbsaka<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> What ages are you teaching? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: RT @Marisa_C<\/a> May we ask fellow teachers NOT to use #ELTChat<\/a> hashtag to tweet abt other links DURING #ELTchat<\/a>. It confuses ppl who follow it<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWe’re talking testing today on #ELTchat<\/a> pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> hey Josh #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> Self-assessment… manageable across lg # of Ss? Contexts where testing considered crucial? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: We’re talking testing today on #ELTchat<\/a> pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhideotakamini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: charming, powerful short video: the real voices of Japanese students via Tim Murphy’s classroom. #JALT<\/a> #edchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Teach everything: YL (they have portfolios), teens, adults, business, exam, 121…you name it!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: We’re talking testing today on #ELTchat<\/a> pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHere in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> More than promote…how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> We’re in middle of mid-year testing season – obligatory for company figures + to be sent to head office. Not always good idea?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: @JoshSRound<\/a> More than promote…how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: @erikaosvath<\/a> How do you have students self-asses? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a> I suppose the real assessment will come with a real world application of the learned skill:)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @erikaosvath<\/a>: I believe in self-assessment rather than testing or as a part of testing. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nwe’re also in the midst of mid yr assessment but it’s kind of ok & sts enjoy it – type of assessment important i think #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> What you describe is the reality for most teachers in most contexts… \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nhideotakamini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ShellTerrell<\/a>: Join us for 12noon GMT #ELTchat<\/a> in 10 minutes “Should we test students? If so, how? If not, what shud we do insted?”<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> And how does your head office use the test results? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> After correcting their tests, THEY try 2 find the answers 2 errors through their books, online resources, etc. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Head office uses results to find out if our teaching meets standards (not sure exactly how) and if everything OK at school<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> So your students enjoy assessment? Any characteristics\/types you care to pass on? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @erikaosvath<\/a>: @barbsaka<\/a> After correcting their tests, THEY try 2 find the answers 2 errors through their books, online resources, etc. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> So your students enjoy assessment? Any characteristics\/types you care to pass on? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\neffective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fionamau<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> What type do you do? Assessment comes in all colours. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: RT @Marisa_C<\/a>: We’re talking testing today on #ELTchat<\/a> pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHas anyone read Lindsay Clanfield’s Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> sth still trying to understand in our context, at the mo still promoting via reflection in class #eltchat<\/a> Do you use portfolios?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: @JoshSRound<\/a> More than promote…how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat<\/a> > Agreed!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Was part of ‘most-tested’ generation at UK schools. Worked 4 me as liked tests, but not for many friends = stress, low self-confid.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsevans59<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTchat<\/a> testing, not to be confused with teaching.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bethcagnol<\/a>: Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield’s Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT<\/a> > Highly recommended.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bethcagnol<\/a>: Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield’s Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT<\/a> – link pls?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSo I hear self-assessment and standardized tests….any other types of assessment in your classes or schools? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: So I hear self-assessment and standardized tests….any other types of assessment in your classes or schools? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> Was part of ‘most-tested’ generation at UK schools. Worked 4 me as liked tests, but not for many friends = stress, low self-confid.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#Eltchat<\/a> Frankly speaking, the Head Office hardly ever have a look at the test results ((<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nlinguaprof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: We’re talking testing today on #ELTchat<\/a> pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWhat self assessment activities do you use with YL and abults? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Our YLs like doing their portfolios. Very proud of them and put in lots of effort: know parents will see them (under 11s only)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nwe use assessment projects that are a series of themed tasks &encourage production more than remembering rules. sts like the format #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @mmgrinberg<\/a>: #Eltchat<\/a> Frankly speaking, the Head Office hardly ever have a look at the test results (( > That appears common, too!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI’ll bring up the often dreaded BIG tests like TOEIC & TOEFL & others. What to do about them? In my context, the TOEIC is a fact #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Yes, in my experience it is manageable in other contexts 2. Requires different view on what testing is 4 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> true some ss reallly like tests and expect them, others not so – depends on culture, learning background? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> Our YLs like doing their portfolios. Very proud of them and put in lots of effort: parents will see them<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI prefer to assess classwork and written homework, as well as std portfolios for YLs #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> Our YLs like doing portfolios. Very proud of them and lots of effort: know parents will see them (under 11s only)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI find that an informal weekly review of things learned is a great way to help ss understand which areas they need to focus on #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: RT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat<\/a> >> Agreed! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nPortfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bethcagnol<\/a> Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield’s Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Depends on learning background, study skills, family environment (my family supported study time etc)…<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> Right. I agree it is feasible, but requires a lot of work\/pushing\/patience at the admin end of things. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSo, self-assessment, portfolios, standardized testing, informal teacher assessment….what else? Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nlinguaprof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSurprising, not many teachers know exactly what a “placement test” is #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nYES #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> i think a lot of sts ‘enjoy’ seeing how they’re progressing -assessment done well achieves that without beinga ‘test’ #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat<\/a> No!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSugarJo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat<\/a> YES<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @janetbianchini<\/a>: I find informal weekly review of things learned is great way to help ss understnd which areas need to focus on #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\npeterjohnfenton<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nproblem with self-assessment is many students don’t see the point – ‘surely that’s the teacher’s job’ attitude often exists #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> End of term business presentation (invent a business,create a powerpoint. give the presentation in pairs\/threes.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat<\/a> <yes for YLs, no for others<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> @bcnpaul1<\/a> I need to put together a self-assessment questionnaire this week. Any online suggestions? #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbjornhg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> self.assessment based on clear criteria in advance, use portfolio, videotape and self-assess based on criteria, stdts set own goals<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: RT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHi peolpe, Luciana from Brazil, just got started. A little lost yet, but delighted. Will engage more effectively next #ELTChat<\/a>.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat<\/a> <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nInteresting… despite the buzz about portfolio-based assessment, I saw for myself some prbs with this last term… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @barbsaka<\/a>: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat<\/a> <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> i think a lot of sts ‘enjoy’ seeing how they’re progressing -assessment done well achieves that without beinga ‘test’ #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nin my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer of almost everything we do. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @janetbianchini<\/a>: an informal review of things learned is a great way to help ss understand what they need to focus on #ELTChat<\/a> Agree<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Sorry, currently commenting to class so linkless. #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @peterjohnfenton<\/a>: problem with self-assessment is many students don’t see the point – ‘surely that’s the teacher’s job’ attitude often exists #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMany materials and course books for YLs now come with self assessment exercises and portfolios #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @barbsaka<\/a>: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat<\/a> <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI think, for the purposes of this chat, we need to be careful to consider difference b\/w assessment, evaluation and testing. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> No portfolios here where I work, and that’s a shame #Eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI don’t think there is a 1 size fits all it really depends on teh stds & their needs #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: I prefer to assess classwork and written homework, as well as std portfolios for YLs #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bethcagnol<\/a> i have a self-assessment sheet i can send you – it’s on a word doc. tho’ #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> Lts of reflection type activities w\/ YL. List of activ @ the beginning of class, kids predict how they’ll do. \/1 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@janetbianchini<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a> goes back to learning being iterative, and also proactive.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOur chat topic had the “testing” element as its focus. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nhow about standardized tests of English language (national tests, etc.)? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\npeterjohnfenton<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> In the past YES, but didn’t really catch on with teachers and wasn’t implemented properly RE: portfolio assessment #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer [..]. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: RT @janetbianchini<\/a>: I find informal weekly review of things learned is great way to help ss understnd which areas need to focus on #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> @barbsaka<\/a> ongoing assessment of sts performance and participation. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Our chat topic had the “testing” element as its focus. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIn Brasilia, we always do our own tests. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWe use Progress Tests in course books, not the best perhaps but serve as a review of what covered in class #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> Then repeat process @ the end of the lesson #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nportfolios are great but only if they are continued throughout the year and integrated – too often started & neglected #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSugarJo RT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond w\/ YES or NO. #ELTchat<\/a> In classrooms: YES Schoolwide: no<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWe use placement tests, but I don’t think they are always efficient #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nNot keen on standardised tests myself. Often test on a v.narrow range of outcomes & they can be demotivational for some learners #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: RT @chucksandy<\/a>: in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer [..]. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@chucksandy<\/a> I turn the TOEIC into a game-like atmosphere with rewards, etc. Lots of candy handed out. #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat<\/a> NO<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SueannaN<\/a>: We use placement tests, but I don’t think they are always efficient #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Our chat topic had the “testing” element as its focus. #ELTChat<\/a>| Ok, so how to make tests both effective and stress-free?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: I think, for the purposes of this chat, we need to be careful to consider difference b\/w assessment, evaluation and testing. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> I get students to make tests. In groups, writing say 6 questions, pin all tests on wall, kids do the one they prefer but not own.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThe problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don’t test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nYes, every week I used to create my own one-hour review test for ss based on what I had taught them -informal so no marks given #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Yes, it does require constant work, all of what you listed \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nadministrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nBut assessment of speaking & listening often informal, based on teacher impression #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nFor those of you out there advocating self-assessment, portfolios etc. what are your views on the more common “testing” elements? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> standard courses (2 x90 min per week) ‘lose’ 6 lessons per year on mid \/ end of yr test – 1 x revision, 1 x test, 1 x diagnositc<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@esolcourses<\/a> agreed I think a more individualised approach is more valuable #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> placement tests not efficient – I agree but what else do we do? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTesting we use: self-assessment, portfolio, performance (presentation, real-life), informal, teacher-created tests, standardized #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don’t test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat<\/a>> Not in all cases!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fionamau<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> I get students to make tests. In groups, 6 questions, all tests on wall, kids do the one they prefer but not own.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> I also get adults to make vocab cards as we go, keep packs of these cards, use to play ‘taboo’ type game in threes.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@janetbianchini<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> How many hours of lessons per week fed into your one-hour review test?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: Many materials and course books for YLs now come with self assessment exercises and portfolios #ELTchat<\/a>> & they are gr8<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat<\/a> > So true!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nInteresting…no one seems against testing, just how it’s done #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: Thee is a big difference between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat<\/a> Absolutely<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#Eltchat<\/a> External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> @barbsaka<\/a> What urks me is how some students (& teachers) misinterpret the differences between level & progress tests. #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: Interesting…no one seems against testing, just how it’s done #ELTchat<\/a> – only @chucksandy<\/a> \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> Making test day a learning day, so as not to miss so much time on just testing.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Teens make a sort of Trivial Pursuit to test different things, and play once a month or at end of intensive summer course.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: portfolios great only if continued through the year and integrated – too often started & neglected #eltchat<\/a> <in our syllabus<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nwhat about test prep? Is it more valuable to test when students know in advance & study, or surprise tests to judge everyday skill #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nharrisonmike<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSame here! RT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @SueannaN<\/a>: We use placement tests, but I don’t think they are always efficient #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> another problem with placement tests is that some s’s may have already done them elsewhere & might remember the answers! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> I think more accurate to say people are not against assessment\/evaluation… Testing is one of the ways to do it. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @harrisonmike<\/a>: Same here! RT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @SueannaN<\/a>: We use placement tests, but I don’t think they are always efficient #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: Not keen on standardised tests myself. Often test on a v.narrow range of outcomes & they can be demotivational for some learners #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI generally avoid testing with YLs as they are constantly being tested at school #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bethcagnol<\/a>: candy in TOEIC class – sweet ^^ Too much emphasis on score in my school. Rewards given for high 1s. Others feel bad #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> @michelleworgan<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a>, and the CEFR can do statements.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:13 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSorry about typos! trying to answer phone & type!! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don’t test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nedumazing<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nPoliticians are too. RT @galactadon<\/a>: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: @bethcagnol<\/a>: candy in TOEIC class – sweet ^^ Too much emphasis on score in my school. Rewards given for high 1s. Others feel bad #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fionamau<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> adults make vocab cards , keep packs of these cards, use to play ‘taboo’ type game in 3s <+ many games – will blog<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ndon’t students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? – we should #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @mmgrinberg<\/a>: #Eltchat<\/a> External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: don’t students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? – we should #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@harrisonmike<\/a> I have a very simple mcq placement test & I find it quite accurate #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Placement test are often limited to Grammar \/ Vocab<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@marisa<\/a>-c: Oh, I’m very against testing & don’t mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> Just DMed you my email address for that assessment sheet. Thanks! #ELTCHAT<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: don’t students ever ask to be tested? Do we talk to them about best way for them to see their progress? – we should #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: what about test prep? Is it more valuable to test when students know in advance & study, or surprise tests to judge everyday skill #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\njustyayu<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI’m giving end term tests (based on text books)this week but I don’t see that they help students improve their English. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@harrisonmike<\/a> (unless the stds get their wives to do it – which happened once & I planned for adv and got pre-int!! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nhow does the general testing culture in your country play into your use of tests in ESL classroom? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested – adults – or the parents do for YLs #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: @marisa<\/a>-c: Oh, I’m very against testing & don’t mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat<\/a> > Yep, me!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> My students asked to take a national exam this year \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> a lot of sts ‘enjoy’ seeing how progressing -assessmt done well achieves that w’out beinga ‘test’ #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested – adults – or the parents do for YLs #eltchat<\/a> > Yes, this is huge…<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @mmgrinberg<\/a>: #Eltchat<\/a> External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: RT @rliberni<\/a>: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat<\/a> > So true!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: don’t students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? – we should #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: RT @chucksandy<\/a>: Oh, I’m very against testing & don’t mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat<\/a> > Yep, me! > Me 2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: don’t students ever ask to be tested? we should #eltchat<\/a> <my teens do – they expect it from school<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nImportant to test what we teach \ud83d\ude42 RT @mmgrinberg<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> Placement test are often limited to Grammar \/ Vocab<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\npeople love tests though. Some of the most popular content on MSN network is quizzes and tests. As in Cosmo mag. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTchat<\/a> Good tips re student-generated testing in good old Minimax book by Jon Taylor<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> 15 hours per week +2nd teacher would contribute to 6 hours’ teaching = 21 hours.Test based on grammar, vocab + writing #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@chucksandy<\/a> not against testing perse but y r we doing it & what is the benefit to the individ learner? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested – adults – or the parents do for YLs #eltchat<\/a> <so question of reeducating ppl?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nagainst testing @englishraven<\/a> & me. Others? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @barbsaka<\/a>: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat<\/a> <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: @chucksandy<\/a> not against testing perse but y r we doing it & what is the benefit to the individ learner? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested – adults – or the parents do for YLs >agree!! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nwho is the test for? Teachers to put a mark on their report & students so they can say they got a 4.5 (better than last term..) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI still like the old Oxford Placement Test (claims to test everything) but no prod skills included #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nGood test design is really a major skill. Do many schools\/teachers have it? Easy to make poor tests…? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nStds often like to see some comprhensible data that shows they are learning and progressing, i.e. a number or percentage #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> Good question, Paul #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: I generally avoid testing with YLs as they are constantly being tested at school #ELTchat<\/a>>& how stressed they are, cruel<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nassessment is different as it deals with real-world production & skills useful for guaging learning rather than numbers #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: who is the test for? Teachers to put a mark on their report & students so they can say they got a 4.5 (better than last term..) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI think tests are useful as validations of ongoing assessment – becos official looking – for client #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> Parents, too! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: assessment is different as it deals with real-world production & skills useful for guaging learning rather than numbers #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI think it depends on the purpose #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@galactadon<\/a> My adult ss enjoy tests, but not the teens \/ YLs #Eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: I still like the old Oxford Placement Test but no prod skills #eltchat<\/a> < we have edited w\/ speak & writing < normally works<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> Right. Tests are very seldom predominantly “for” the learners. They’re for all the (what I call) “investors”! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBethCagnol<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> Gonna have to sign off early. Class starting. Teaching a multi-level group of doctors in a mental institution. (I fit right in! \ud83d\ude09<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Good test design is really a major skill. Do many schools\/teachers have it? #ELTChat<\/a> <do schools train it?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: @marisa<\/a>-c: Oh, I’m very against testing & don’t mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat<\/a> >mee too<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSamGliksman<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHow effective are standardized tests? A. Too limited in scope B. Often inaccurate C. Skew teaching towards results D. All of above #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> that’s what I do too – other ways they are good predictors #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @mmgrinberg<\/a>: @galactadon<\/a> My adult ss enjoy tests, but not the teens \/ YLs #Eltchat<\/a> > Any thoughts about why?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:18 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s’s work to complete tests in groups #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: I still lk the old Oxford Placement Test but no prod skills #eltchat<\/a> < we have edited w\/ speak & writing > so have we<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> Right. Tests are very seldom predominantly “for” the learners. They’re for all the (what I call) “investors”! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nthe big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> they like it (being tested) cause that’s the only way they can say got a good mark, but does it mean they’re learning? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\ncybraryman1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIs there teacher input in the design of the tests to make them more useful for evaluation? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nBril! RT @esolcourses<\/a>: I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s’s work to complete tests in groups #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> Not too sure about the minimal pairs aspect of the listening test:)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@esolcourses<\/a> I think tests built around the learners own specific needs\/previous mistakes can be a good way to go. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSugarJo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTchat<\/a> My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI love assessment. I love peers assessing each other. I hate standardized test tho & the culture that give those tests power #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:19 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SugarJo<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: Interesting…no one seems against testing, just how it’s done #ELTchat<\/a> > exercise types should always b same as ones in class<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SugarJo<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> My students have spent lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nNoisy +sometimes unmotivated groups of teens would always be quiet and concentrated during the weekly informal “review”( test) Why? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SugarJo<\/a> But may I ask (devil’s advocate…) is it just “tests” — or the form\/focus\/delivery of the tests? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> I think most Ss EXPECT 2 B tested #eltchat<\/a> >I tell parents abt the usefulness of self-ass rthr than test<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:20 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: @SueAnnan<\/a> placement tests not efficient – I agree but what else do we do? > espec multiple choice #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @cybraryman1<\/a>: teacher input in the design of the tests to make them more useful for evaluation? #eltchat<\/a> <depends on school I think<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: Bril! RT @esolcourses<\/a>: I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s’s work to complete tests in groups #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> @bcnpaul1<\/a> who’s the test for?… let’s not forget parents who need ‘proof’ of their children’s performance #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SugarJo<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI told a student he needed to work harder & he said ‘i’ll do better in the next test”… “what about in between” I said #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: RT @SugarJo<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> My students have spent lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTchat<\/a> Adults are motivated; they know why and what for they are being tested<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: I love assessment. I love peers assessing each other. I hate standardized test tho & the culture that give those tests power #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSugarJo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTchat<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> The kinds of tests so beloved of the system here do not suit some students, but I think thet<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI’m not keen on the tests we have\/use in most places. I’m not entirely against testing as a notion or procedure. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested – adults – or the parents do for YLs #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: RT @galactadon<\/a>: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @janetbianchini<\/a>: noisy teens would always be quiet and concentrated during weekly informal “review”( test) Why? #ELTChat<\/a> <it’s serious!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nharrisonmike<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a>: Spanish students cannot keep tests once they’ve been marked. Mine appreciate having feedback on what they can do to improve.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@agfigueiredo<\/a> true – that’s always the problem though – it’s a proof thing that isn’t real #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@agfigueiredo<\/a> There is often a huge diff btw test result and general progress – can get a bad test mark but good marks on report #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @harrisonmike<\/a>: @rliberni<\/a> Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said ‘i’ll do better in the next test”… “what about in between” I said #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> @esolcourses<\/a> I agree – tests were always based on ss errors \/ problem areas to help them review and improve #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @mmgrinberg<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> Adults are motivated; they know why and what for they are being tested <most of the time, not always<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nKids need 2 be motivated to B able 2 identify their own learning priorities, have control over theri learning rather than tests #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:22 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOn our Foundation course, we have cont assess with varying assignment types & increasing level of weighting, low-risk to higher #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said ‘i’ll do better in the next test”… “what about in between” I said #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> And parents ask why their child got a good report when did badly on test! They just don’t get it #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nProblems with tests–mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nwhen students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don’t need that #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don’t need that #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nLet’s not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> I am against testing. It brings back feelings of fear and failure. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @mmgrinberg<\/a>: #ELTchat<\/a> Adults are motivated; they know why & what for they are being tested <most of the time, not always<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: against testing @englishraven<\/a> & me. Others? #eltchat<\/a> Against typical four-day tests (2 fr revision, 1 fr test, 1 fr feedback<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @erikaosvath<\/a>: Kids need 2 be motivated to B able 2 identify learning priorities, have control over theri learning #ELTChat<\/a> <how?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@harrisonmike<\/a> I agree this is the best way but it depends how many stds you have & the time also mine’s done via email #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSugarJo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: Problems with tests–mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat<\/a> AGREE<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SugarJo<\/a>: RT @barbsaka<\/a>: Problems with tests–mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat<\/a> AGREE<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a>: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I’m with @BCNPaul<\/a> – maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nProbs with performance tests also–not always reliable, and depends on raters grading performance same #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> how do they respond (the parents you tell abt self-assessment) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: #ELTChat<\/a>: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I’m with @BCNPaul<\/a>– maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfceblog<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> A class is private. A test is public. Teachers, students, school authorities, parents get to know about test results.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTests have become such a norm, that hardly anyone thinks they need to B reconsidered. Why test at all? What does a grade tell U? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSometimes got ss to make up own tests, each group a specific topic\/ grammar area- collate different parts,do, then peer corrections #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\npeterjohnfenton<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@harrisonmike<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> Yeah, usually get a good idea of level just by asking sts to spell their name! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: Probs with performance tests also–not always reliable, and depends on raters grading performance same #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTchat<\/a> Had 17 y-o SS once whose dad shouted at me as his (excellent) son got 85% not 100% <son was stressed as dad had pressured him<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@fionamau<\/a>: four day testing cycles. How awful. Do students get anything out of the process? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don’t need that #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:24 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don’t need that #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Let’s not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIf you apply tests but don’t use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Let’s not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOne problem with testing (in edu generally) is that all the emphasis goes to the test which interferes with learning often #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> A test grade can tell u very little – its ongoing classroom performance that should tell you how a std is doing #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: If you apply tests but don’t use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nProbs with tests – much easier to test things with ‘rules’ like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: #ELTChat<\/a>: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I’m with @BCNPaul<\/a>– maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: If you apply tests but don’t use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> Through eg negotiating course content together, reflecting on what their likes, dislikes, performances #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fceblog<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> A class is private. A test is public. Teachers, students, school authorities, parents get to know about test results.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSo is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:25 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#Eltchat<\/a> Testing cycles seem to be rubbish. What ‘s the point??<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat<\/a> ] how and why, I’d say<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: Probs with tests – much easier to test things with ‘rules’ like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Tests that don’t count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: If you apply tests but don’t use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat<\/a> > Gd point<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: performance tests reliability, depends on grading performance same #ELTChat<\/a> Criteria needs to be clear & understood by ss<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: RT @barbsaka<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: If you apply tests but don’t use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWe should test what is learned not work to the test – this should have better validity #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSome ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.:\u00a0http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/39e8m7x<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SueannaN<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat<\/a>#eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: We should test what is learned not work to the test – this should have better validity #eltchat<\/a> ] absolutely!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: Probs with tests – much easier to test things with ‘rules’ like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@esolcourses<\/a> Quite unbelievably, you and I seem to agree about something! \ud83d\ude42 : -) \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.:\u00a0http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/39e8m7x<\/a>#eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> Sent a letter 2 paretns about self-ass and no testing explaning the value. Nobody opposed it. Guess was lucky \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @stopspanglish<\/a>: Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.:http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/39e8m7x<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIMO most effective assessment is when teachers know students well, BUT this doesn’t translate into school admission or scores #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIn summer school as DoS I used 2 pay more attention 2 written piece than reading test score for level testing- more enlightening #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#Eltchat<\/a> How to create tests that don’t make the ss feel they’ve failed smth?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Let’s not forget that tests can actly be effective 4learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT: @englishraven<\/a> So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat<\/a> >how & why it’s used I’d say- the concept is not a bad one<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @esolcourses<\/a> Quite unbelievably, you and I seem to agree about something! \ud83d\ude42 : -) \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> Why does ‘the system’ advocate learner-centred teaching, specific student needs, humanising etc etc and standardised tests?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\ncybraryman1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nNeed to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:\u00a0 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bruno_cesar82<\/a> When the “test” is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @cybraryman1<\/a>: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page: #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> how to get rid of tests when sts are so used to it?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: @bruno_cesar82<\/a> When the “test” is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> yes, but assessment does not necessariliy imply testing #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> Testing backwash can be both devastating or motivating.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nDon’t you also test candidates for the CElta in some way? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a> Let’s not forget that tests can be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: @bruno_cesar82<\/a> When the “test” is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@fionamau<\/a> The “system” in Asia is not learner-centered or about “needs” lol #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @harrisonmike<\/a>: @rliberni<\/a> Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat<\/a> >> definitely agree<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a>: the problem is testing & the businesses who’ve convinced the culture(s) that these tests are a measure of success #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: @bruno_cesar82<\/a> When the “test” is to help stdts identify accomplishments (strengths) & things to work on (weaknesses) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMbarek<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHi all #eLtchat<\/a> ters ; Just joined \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a> In summer school as DoS I used 2 pay more attention 2 written piece- more enlightening #eltchat<\/a> > I agree wholeheartedly<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: Tests that don’t count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat<\/a> > Doesn’t it just? Turn upside down and look again!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\njessmcculloch<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bruno_cesar82<\/a> i think we need to show them the value of others ways just like we need to show parents and school admins #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOn student failure: if one assessment activity has different levels of response, all correct but more or less advanced = no failure #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBlog4Edu<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nvia @cecilialcoelho<\/a> My #TEFL365<\/a> Start ? Things and People that Inspire Me#ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nShellTerrell<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nvia @cecilialcoelho<\/a> My #TEFL365<\/a> Start ? Things and People that Inspire Me#eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:28 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bruno_cesar82<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> how 2 get rid of tests when sts R so used 2 it? > thrgh reflection, asking them y NEED iT\/USEFUL & how it helps<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ALiCe__M<\/a> True #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\ncecilialcoelho<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nStopped by real quick… Hope you guys are having a great day (and I’m sure a fab #ELTChat<\/a>. See you soon!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@chucksandy<\/a> I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not aspects of official performance, they look\/feel different #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAgree! RT @barbsaka<\/a>: @bruno_cesar82<\/a> When the “test”is 2help sts identify accomplishments (strengths) +things 2 work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a>: the problem is testing & the businesses who’ve convinced the culture(s) that these tests are a measure of success #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@MartinWarters<\/a> true so how do we promote the positive effects and diminish the negative? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nStevenHerder<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMy Ss do TOEFL iBT to go abroad. Highly motivating, real skills acquired. 1st time Ts & Ss on the same page from day 1 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @cybraryman1<\/a> Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page: #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: On student failure: if one assessment activity has different levels of response, all correct but more or less advanced = no failure #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@cecilialcoelho<\/a> You don’t know what you’re missing, mate! \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @chucksandy<\/a> I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look\/feel different #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nDaveDodgson<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nBy @gret<\/a> My #RSCON11<\/a> Take-Aways!: January 8th?s New Teachers Reform Symposium was a wonderful learning …\u00a0 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@chucksandy<\/a> fully agree ! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:30 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: @fionamau<\/a>: four day testing cycles. How awful. Do students get anything out of the process? #eltchat<\/a> Nope, it’s time wasted<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#Eltchat<\/a> I still think that some kind of external assessment \/ testing should take place. Otherwise we would over-depend on our emotions<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMbarek<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: @chucksandy<\/a> I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look\/feel different #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> Tests that don’t count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: We should test what is learned not work to the test – this should have better validity #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@mmgrinberg<\/a> What do you mean by depending on emotions? #Eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTesting’s also a good diagnostic tool for teachers, so we learn what Ss don’t understand (& know what to teach better next time.) #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI recently used test in order to get teen stds focussed -they knew they would have to do a test and took things bit more seriously! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@StevenHerder<\/a>: do ss find IBT test prep motivating in & of itself? Are they learning more because they’re aiming for a high score? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMe too! RT @Marisa_C<\/a>: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nBegabungs<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @cybraryman1<\/a>: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page: #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAlthough I let them use their books ! Open book testing… #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> definately how + why e.g. diagnostic tests to identify student weaknesses\/strengths can be v useful #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> Good point #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSo how do you test successful communication activity despite student errors? Some errors impede understanding; others don’t. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@stopspanglish<\/a> Right — testing can actually help us teach better (if used the right way?) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @DaveDodgson<\/a>: By @gret<\/a> My #RSCON11<\/a> Take-Aways!: January 8th?s New Teachers Reform Symposium was a wonderful learning …\u00a0 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @MartinWarters<\/a>: @rliberni<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> Testing backwash can be both devastating or motivating.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:32 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> Tests can help motivate sometimes, true, perhaps more so with teens #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: @fionamau<\/a> The “system” in Asia is not learner-centered or about “needs” lol #ELTChat<\/a>>> true, but Europe is very ‘Mario\/Scott’<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: definately how + why e.g. diagnostic tests to identify student weaknesses\/strengths can be v useful #ELTchat<\/a> > YES<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOnce I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested – why individual? we’ve been doing everything in grps – so i LET them!! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@galactadon<\/a> Guess it would depend on whether the goal was to assess accuracy, or completing goal \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: Although I let them use their books ! Open book testing… #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested – why individual? we’ve been doing everything in grps – so i LET them!! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @stopspanglish<\/a> Right — testing can actually help us teach better (if used the right way?) #ELTChat<\/a> ] agree ( again \ud83d\ude09<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nGr8 point,Jess!RT @jessmcculloch<\/a>: i think we need 2show them t value of othr ways just like we need 2show parents+school adm #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a>: ” If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look\/feel different” But then that’s assessment #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:33 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> The idea of group evaluation is also good.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMbarek<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ntesting should be aligned with teaching ; We test what we teach #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> I love the notion of Ss doing tests in groups! Task-based learning? \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Interestingly, they collaborated but didn’t just copy – results still reflected indiv differences #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ barbsaka Oh, goal completion is so much more valuable to me than accuracy, except at the highest levels. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> Young teens take tests more seriously than self.assessment which they thing is easy way out! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> #Eltchat<\/a> I mean the feelings that both the Ts and the Ls have about what has been achieved.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> not sure about open-book testing in language dictionaries p’haps but it’s skill not knowledge #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSo, part of the challenge is to broaden parent, admin, and student awareness that there’s more than one way (and reason) to assess #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat<\/a> <me 2 – SS like being experts<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\njessmcculloch<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bruno_cesar82<\/a> i say that ’cause have had students ‘wonder when we are going to do real work’ rather than what we would consider .. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nagree! RT @galactadon<\/a>: @ barbsaka Oh, goal completion is so much more valuable to me than accuracy, except at the highest levels. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a> Testing’s diagnostic tool for t’s to learn what Ss don’t u’stand (& know what to teach better next time.) #ELTchat<\/a> >agree<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> I like this ! communication means at least two people ! why test individuals? why test at all, really. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: @JoshSRound<\/a> Young teens take tests more seriously than self.assessment which they thing is easy way out! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@stopspanglish<\/a> How interesting might it be to announce to Ss “We’re having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been”? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat<\/a> >> it’s the best way.They revise when creating tests,plus power-play..<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:34 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> : Yup! Get the exams, you start to mark, and… whoops! Looks like THAT one didn’t work! Back to the drawing board! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s’s the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOops, this is going so fast I’m retweeting my own tweet! Sorry! Mistake… #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s’s the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @stopspanglish<\/a> How interesting might it be to announce to Ss “We’re having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been”? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\njessmcculloch<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bruno_cesar82<\/a> to be ‘good stuff.,’ and have seen them lap up the worksheets I despise. they have the system ingrained in them too #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @stopspanglish<\/a> How interesting might it be to announce to Ss “We’re having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been”? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s’s the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fionamau<\/a>: RT @Marisa_C<\/a>: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat<\/a> >> it’s the best way.They revise when creating tests,plus power-play..<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as it gives ss opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSugarJo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: tests – why individual? we’ve been doing everything in grps – so i LET them!! #ELTchat<\/a> I Works well in my context too<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> @stopspanglish<\/a> Good idea! How effective a teacher I’ve been… although, er, it’s risky #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> @stopspanglish<\/a> Good idea! How effective a teacher I’ve been… although, er, it’s risky #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOne of the greatest values I’ve found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @fionamau<\/a>: RT @Marisa_C<\/a>: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat<\/a> >> it’s the best way.They revise when creating tests<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, to peer correct each other #ELTChat<\/a> Good idea<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @stopspanglish<\/a> testing can actually help us teach better #ELTChat<\/a> >> or worse if we only teach 2 the exam<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested – why individual? we’ve been doing everything in grps – so i LET them!! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\ncybraryman1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: One of the greatest values I’ve found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: One of the greatest values I’ve found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI think good effective assessment is all about triangulation, and good tests under right conditions can be part of that. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nhow about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:36 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ALiCe__M<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> I like this ! communication means at least two people ! why test individuals? why test at all, really. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMbarek<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: I think good effective assessment is all about triangulation, and good tests under right conditions can be part of that. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a>: @esolcourses<\/a>: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible >I prefer self-correct, so that they learn #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SugarJo<\/a>: RT @Marisa_C<\/a>: tests – why individual? we’ve been doing everything in grps – so i LET them!! #ELTchat<\/a> I Works well in my context too<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> sorry, triangulation? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAs a tool for assessing the teaching\/learning it’s valuable maybe time to find a new word for it? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a>: Agreed. Pobody’s nerfect, especially teachers. Especially THIS one. #ELTchat<\/a>.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: I lk 2 put learners in groups 2 do tests if possible, > works well in teams\/ Grammar auction type thingy #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@chucksandy<\/a> student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative\/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nbenchmark test (vocab etc) helps sts monitor own progress and aids motivation? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:37 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> with open book tests the point is they are revising while doing the test – something my teen stds wouldn’t do otherwise.. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@jessmcculloch<\/a> that’s the point! Some tchrs boost rivalry amongs sts through their grades. So sad. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@MartinWarters<\/a> I agree I think there is maybe too much emphasis on competition – it’s not really valid at all ever! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@MartinWarters<\/a> @rliberni<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a> Perhaps to set personal goals in any form of assessment. No need for comparison w\/other SS <great idea!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> Good tests are part of the evaluation of a course – problem is they are ONLY a tiny part not the WHOLE PIC #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nif communication is the primary goal in learning English (which it should be), then group\/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: One of the greatest values I’ve found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SueannaN<\/a>: RT @esolcourses<\/a>: I lk 2 put learners in groups 2 do tests if possible, > works well in teams\/ Grammar auction type thingy #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> Triangulation = using more than one source and style of information to draw conclusions. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> sorry, triangulation? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @chucksandy<\/a> student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative\/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: if communication is the primary goal in learning English (which it should be), then group\/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bruno_cesar82<\/a>: @jessmcculloch<\/a> that’s the point! Some tchrs boost rivalry amongs sts through their grades. So sad.>very much so #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> self correction is good, but peer correction also gives speaking & listening practice (killing 2 birds with 1 stone!) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: if communication is primary goal in learning Eng(which it should be), group\/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nkit2kat<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> not tested for #CELTA<\/a> – just interview and mini teach with pre-course exercises which aren’t necc. reviewed #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> Good tests are part of the evaluation of a course – problem is they are ONLY a tiny part not the WHOLE PIC #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> @stopspanglish<\/a> When sts don’t go well I tell them it’s OUR performance being measured #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:38 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ngd assessment shd give sts a chance to use all their language (learnt anywhere) in meaningful tasks not just lang. studied in class #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a>: “One of the greatest values I’ve found in testing … is to check how well I did with teaching” Why not just ask them? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @chucksandy<\/a> student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative\/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @janetbianchini<\/a>: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @janetbianchini<\/a>: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nStevenHerder<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@chucksandy<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> J Ss say they work harder knowing the score determines what uni they can join<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@efl101<\/a> I like this idea of collaborative tests – groups against groups #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @JoshSRound<\/a> Triangulation = using more than one source and style of information to draw conclusions. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Thanks! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> oh, I see now #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @efl101<\/a> I like this idea of collaborative tests – groups against groups #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\njuliaalling<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nBrain research suggests that testing helps retention and acquisition of information\/knowledge. It’s the form of the test that cts #Eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI also like tests that students can take until they get a perfect score–the video game approach to assessment #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> : The useful thing about a “Test” is that once you do well at one, it can be a source of pride…AND motivation. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@kit2kat<\/a> but in interview you are ‘testing’ a set of applic. criteria #CELTA<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nGreat idea!RT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: @chucksandy<\/a> st-created tests R some of the best (+ most creative\/surprising) Ive seen #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:39 pm<\/a><\/td>\njuliaalling<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: RT @janetbianchini<\/a>: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> yes, grammar auction type activities are fun! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @janetbianchini<\/a>: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: I also like tests that students can take until they get a perfect score–the video game approach to assessment #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> yes! and sts often think they can do nothing but cram for the test – i did that & look at me!! \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@esolcourses<\/a> I think sts R ready 2 learn difft things, we or peers might not know wht the individuals learning priorities R #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> I don’t like this kind of “competition” with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ALiCe__M<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> I don’t like this kind of “competition” with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ALiCe__M<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> I don’t like this kind of “competition” with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> hence you might draw on self, peer, portfolio assessmnt alongside a test of some sort… see what it all shows together #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nShades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn’t it?) #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMbarek<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTests need credibility , diagnostic test should be able to give feedback on the level of learners #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn’t it?) #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\njessmcculloch<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> @bruno_cesar82<\/a> yes, and our crooms should definitely not be about competition. No wonder so many kids hate school! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSugarJo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ALiCe__M<\/a> I don’t like this kind of “competition” with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat<\/a> YES!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@janetbianchini<\/a> “short sharp tests on how you’re doing” : sounds like studying to me. Does it count as a test if self-administered? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ntrick maybe identify sts who respond to\/need tests and others for whom it is a nightmare! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> “student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative\/surprising) I’ve seen” Agree. great learning activity #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nGreat thing about student-generated tests is that you really don’t need to test them after that… \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@stopspanglish<\/a> I agree with this but this is also personal & there isn’t much validity in comparisons with s\/one else #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Has anyone had any success with online testing? How do SS respond?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JuliaAlling<\/a> Brain research suggests testing helps retention &acquisition of information\/knowledge. It’s form of test that cts #Eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ALiCe__M<\/a> I have a few students that would totally shut down in a test situation, but quite competent otherwise. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> and get a more rounded picture of progress\/performance…Yep, v good idea #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SugarJo<\/a>: RT @ALiCe__M<\/a> I don’t like this kind of “competition” with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat<\/a> YES!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSee, so many different types of preferences in testing. Can we do the same in our teaching? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ALiCe__M<\/a> I agree – language learning shdn’t be a competition with yr peers – it shd be enjoyable & rewarding #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn’t it?) #ELTchat<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: trick maybe identify sts who respond to\/need tests and others for whom it is a nightmare! #ELTchat<\/a> <differentiated testing \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ALiCe__M<\/a> It’s not a competition unless the teacher creates this type of atmosphere #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don’t need to test them after that… \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:41 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@esolcourses<\/a> have you seen book ‘is that what you mean’? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> They like online “quizzes” especially when they’ree game-like #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> OUI I”ve seen that so many times !! (and I only teach adults) #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @ALiCe__M<\/a> It’s not a competition unless the teacher creates this type of atmosphere #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIs stds create tests do you give them ideas 4 type of exercises or Qs? With YLs it may be “see who can make a test no-one can do!” #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don’t need to test them after that… \ud83d\ude42 >agree !#ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ntoo often test stops with marking – analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> we do an absolute ton of online testing in my company (all of it actually) Can be less stressful: take test at home #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:42 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> No, Marisa, students create competition themselves, beleive me !! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> @ALiCe__M<\/a> competition works if set up as a fun element; of course teens may take this too far, but good with adults #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> we do an absolute ton of online testing in my company (all of it actually) Can be less stressful: take test at home #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: too often test stops with marking – analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat<\/a> <definitely! But then r u teaching to the test?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> I was raised in a cram-for-the-test education culture & know how well u cn do on tests & still know nothing the next day #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> Fun idea, Michelle! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@jessmcculloch<\/a> @erikaosvath<\/a> Perhaps tests are the reason why so many students hate school. food for thought. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWith testing we need to identify the reason, negotiate the follow-up and start early on so that they become ‘everyday’ #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: too often test stops with marking – analysis and feedback = essential > Indeed! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nOne issue teaching in Spain: anything < 100% is a disaster. Need to keep reminding them: It’s language, it’s inherently imperfect. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAfter a test do u go over problematic areas in susbequent classes? I think this is really important #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: too often test stops with marking – analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat<\/a> Often the feedback not effective or rushed<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bruno_cesar82<\/a>: @jessmcculloch<\/a> @erikaosvath<\/a> Perhaps tests R the reason y so many students h8 skool. food 4 thought.>agree #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> I was raised in a cram-for-the-test education culture & know how well u cn do on tests & still know nothing the next day #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: @bcnpaul1<\/a> @ALiCe__M<\/a> competition works if set up as a fun element; of course teens may take this too far, but good with adults #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#Eltchat<\/a> Can we measure anything at all or are we only looking at tests from motivating \/ demotivating perspective?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:43 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> well, I would not be so affirmative. Some adults can be very competitive too #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ALiCe__M<\/a> Then mark the testers as well for fairness and designing good questions #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> agree, competiton in class activites is gd, bt not when success on the course is always about being better than another #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: One issue teaching in Spain: anything < 100% is a disaster. Need to remind them: It’s language, it’s imperfect. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: @JoshSRound<\/a> agree, competiton in class activites is gd, bt not when success on the course is always about being better than another #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> accept yr point, but with good planning & grouping students appropriately, can work well (generally does 4 me, anyway) #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> I know a raven who got 87% on an official Yr 12 Eng Lit exam, with two (of 5) essays abt books he hadn’t even read… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@stopspanglish<\/a> Problem in Asia, too! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI’m coming round to more of a coaching point of view I think it’s more supportive of learning but I don’t have to b accountable #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\njessmcculloch<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bruno_cesar82<\/a> well, imagine how we would feel as staff if we were compared to each other with some of us rewarded?! eewww… #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> eheh ! and who would mark the testers’ testers ? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> teaching to test = tricky if test formal requirement then we have to don’t we? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWe need to try and get stds to realise that a mark or test result isn’t the be all and end all #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @mmgrinberg<\/a>: #Eltchat<\/a> Can we measure anything at all or are we only looking at tests from motivating \/ demotivating perspective?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nkit2kat<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> I was the applicant \ud83d\ude42 – impression is they focus on motivation for EFL & classroom presence… #CELTA<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> If teaching at a school, does your school monitor tests \/ set them or is it up to teachers?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Pleased to meet you – now I know why we are friends – we have good test adrenali reaction #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nBit behind #ELTchat<\/a> – pack of wild dogs just went past house – had to check on the chickens – Kelly barked the pack off the land – phew!!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @jessmcculloch<\/a>: @bruno_cesar82<\/a> well, imagine how we would feel as staff if we were compared to each other with some of us rewarded?! eewww… #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> Yes, I feel the same, and lucky that I don’t have to answer to admin \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@kit2kat<\/a> Trinity have discrete tests #CELTA<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nif you don’t want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn’t be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> sad but true – lots of learning from mistakes potential missed #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:45 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ALiCe__M<\/a> You are testing my patience !!! \ud83d\ude00 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nsry, got 2 go back 2 work. hre’s 1 procedure of testing that has worked 4 me. sry abt the link #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nLet’s not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is very wishful thinking to many teachers… Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> yep, wdn’t want to stress competition among peers when success on course or in test is pivotal in some way #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> At my school we have folder of tests made by teachers, but don’t think any1 ever looks at them 2nd time – one use only! New each yr<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> problem is when they’ve spent their lives thinking my mark=myself=my value in life #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Let’s not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is wishful thinking to many Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SueAnnan<\/a> @esolcourses<\/a> have you seen book ‘is that what you mean’? #ELTChat<\/a> – I love it! I use it a lot! Love the cartoons!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> It would be good for a school to have a database of test items – surely possible now? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nedumazing<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bruno_cesar82<\/a>: @jessmcculloch<\/a> @erikaosvath<\/a> Perhaps tests are the reason why so many students hate school. food for thought. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: if you don’t want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn’t be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> I know a raven got 87% on an off Yr 12 Eng Lit ex, with 2\/5 essays abt bks he hadn’t read. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nBye everyone, gr8 chat. Sorry for having to leave! See ya next time \ud83d\ude42 Special thanks to the moderators! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@efl101<\/a>: Agreed – I teach Cambridge exams and have to analyse, but is it better to focus on lang or exam skills? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@janetbianchini<\/a> It’s great for students to test themselves too #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> teachers designed our assessment projects, which are evaluated by teachers each yr and adapted if necessary. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> in ur Yr 12 experience u rest our case! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> it’s important that if sts are tested they get the appropriate feedback on it.whether +or-. some schools don’t even care abt it<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: if you don’t want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn’t be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> Yes, I do prove your and @Marisa_C<\/a> ‘s point! \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Let’s not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is very wishful thinking to many teachers… Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:47 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren’t so therefore not reliable? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\njessmcculloch<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bruno_cesar82<\/a> also, tests themselves are not necessarily the problem- the value and emphasis placed on them is #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Tricia617<\/a> accountable to my stds but not to any external ‘official’ body #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWell, we haven’t mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions – some Ss just not able to focus – paralysed during tests #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\ntmkhr<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bruno_cesar82<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> it’s important that if sts are tested they get the appropriate feedback on it.whether +or-. some schools don’t even care abt it<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> hopefully lang = focus coz test = lang but… student expectations = role here #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@janetbianchini<\/a> @SueAnnan<\/a> no, I haven’t seen the book – will scope it out sometime – thanks \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nESLMadrid<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI’m new here #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> good 2 hav a database of test items #eltchat<\/a> <trying 2 start it, but we hav 2 comps \/ 30 teachers & sm resist<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> Well, I don’t know about “good at tests”… good at poorly designed tests perhaps! \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:48 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: @rliberni<\/a> Yes, I feel the same, and lucky that I don’t have to answer to admin \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren’t so therefore not reliable? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Well, we haven’t mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions – some Ss just not able to focus – paralysed during tests #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIsn’t part of the discomfort on tests that language is messy while tests are rigid? Do you feel this way about math tests? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> co-assessment I find very helpful, both for students and my teaching #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: @englishraven<\/a> Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren’t so therefore not reliable? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> true can be real problem for some very good students – just freeze up in tests #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a> we haven’t mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions – some Ss just not able to focus during tests #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ESLMadrid<\/a>: I’m new here #eltchat<\/a> Welcome! What do you think of SS testing? Should we do it? How?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nHave seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:49 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTest taking definitely a skill set–I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven’t started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMbarek<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nlots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ESLMadrid<\/a> welcome to #eltchat<\/a> – it’s great \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests – if you can do it you can do it #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> what to do when your institution does not allow student failure?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat<\/a> ] Same here<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: Test taking definitely a skill set–I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven’t started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ESLMadrid<\/a>: welcome! #eltchat<\/a> consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Right, which is why I think triangulation becomes so important for assessment. #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Mbarek<\/a>: lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> are we supposed to also cover this? \ud83d\ude00 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: @ESLMadrid<\/a>: welcome! #eltchat<\/a> consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bruno_cesar82<\/a> I used to separate assessment (for me) and testing (for school–everyone passed!) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat<\/a> Yep agree<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> : Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, it’s not humiliation. It’s a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me.” #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests – if you can do it you can do it #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @michelleworgan<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Mbarek<\/a>: lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> Yes, I agree. Students testing each other orally is something I do quite often – it seems to work + they enjoy it #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:50 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: @ESLMadrid<\/a>: welcome! #eltchat<\/a> consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat<\/a> > Totally agree! Welcome!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @rliberni<\/a>: I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests – if you can do it you can do it #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @janetbianchini<\/a>: @SueAnnan<\/a> Yes, I agree. Students testing each other orally is something I do quite often – it seems to work + they enjoy it #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bruno_cesar82<\/a>: #eltchat<\/a> what to do when your institution does not allow student failure? < cry! Depends on if SS still move up or not.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> : Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, it’s not humiliation. It’s a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me.” #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Haha no but is taking away tests making everything too far into the comfort zone? #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ALiCe__M<\/a>: @barbsaka<\/a> YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> I used to freak out on tests day. But not w some tchrs who would make me feel comfortable in testing me.there was no gotcha factor<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> : Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, it’s not humiliation. It’s a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me.” #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMbarek<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> : Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, it’s not humiliation. It’s a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me.” #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> A fine line to walk #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:51 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> question is how to help exam shy sts? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> to perform under pressure requires confidence… bit of a catch-22 for s’s who have yet to pass an exam #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> Well no but we do have to take that into account when setting up a test to take away the fear #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> question is how to help exam shy sts? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nedumazing<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nrliberni<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAfraid I have to duck out – sorry- enjoy the rest of the chat! Thanks to gr8 moderators @englishraven<\/a>@barbsaka<\/a> & @marisa_c<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> Collaboration is essential also for assessment. Ss produce together and have opportunity to learn again.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMmm, how many teachers test versus how many teachers test and support with strategies? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@michelleworgan<\/a> for some teachers the comfort zone is in testing like breathing #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:52 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: @Marisa_C<\/a> : Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, it’s not humiliation. It’s a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me.” #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @edumazing<\/a>: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @edumazing<\/a>: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @edumazing<\/a>: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMASHinEFL<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, not humiliation. It’s a challenge: and brings out the best in me.” #ELTChat<\/a> YES<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMbarek<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> I agree with u ,especially in project work #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @luthcal<\/a>: #ELTChat<\/a> Collaboration is essential also for assessment. Ss produce together and have opportunity to learn again.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@esolcourses<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> agree, bt tests can go from low importance to higher in stages 2 build confidence & ability to deal w press #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: Test taking definitely a skill set–I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven’t started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nkit2kat<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> that’s interesting, I’d be interested to know how much #CELTA<\/a> courses differ… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMartinWarters<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ALiCe__M<\/a>: @barbsaka<\/a> YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nESLMadrid<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> thank you all, I feel very welcomed \ud83d\ude1b I am trying to catch up with the conversation.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> We should not consider that school description anymore. Although it has been for long time.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#Eltchat<\/a> It’s hard to avoid using tests as a disciplinary measure<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Any suggestions on relaxation techniques for stressed SS during compulsory testing? e.g. school-leaving exams<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Mmm, how many teachers test versus how many teachers test & support with strategies? #ELTChat<\/a> ] I do test+ strategies<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ESLMadrid<\/a> there will be a transcript later that you can read #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@rliberni<\/a> thanks BErni!!!! Have a great day #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:54 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> stop testing us !! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @esolcourses<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a>: #ELTChat<\/a> ] I do test+ strategies – me2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @mmgrinberg<\/a>: #Eltchat<\/a> It’s hard to avoid using tests as a disciplinary measure > Wow, now that (to me) is testing gone real bad…<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> In Texas tchrs used to teach relaxation techniques and do cheers in class \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: RT @mmgrinberg<\/a>: #Eltchat<\/a> It’s hard to avoid using tests as a disciplinary measure > Wow, now that (to me) is testing gone real bad…<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> Test+strategies for sure<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nwhat about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, you only advance to the next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> @esolcourses<\/a> that’s it – support during assessment is a big factor and shd be encouragd #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, you only advance to the next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ALiCe__M<\/a> LOL! Could actually be an interesting point there… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nStevenHerder<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAt HS EFL in Japan, we do 50% effort\/prep and 50% delivery for a variety of posters, speeches, skits – works well. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> think that kind of thing can work with YL’s, but can be more difficult to apply with adults #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI shall start practising affirmations then before every test – think it will work with a DELTA final ? \ud83d\ude00 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @galactadon<\/a>: what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, advance to next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @StevenHerder<\/a>: At HS EFL in Japan, we do 50% effort\/prep and 50% delivery for a variety of posters, speeches, skits – works well. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> LOL #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ESLMadrid<\/a> the transcript is always available afterwards www.eltchat.com #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> alcohol? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@StevenHerder<\/a> Sounds like a model of good\/effective practice to me… #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Let us know how that goes. “I am a competent and creative teacher” \ud83d\ude42 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: RT @galactadon<\/a>: what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, advance to next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> @barbsaka<\/a> I hate the financial factor linked w tests: if sts fail they’ll drop out and adms will lose money. #eltchat<\/a> what2do?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> #Eltchat<\/a> Ask them to feel MORE stressed during preparation. This will help them to regain control at test time<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@efl101<\/a> that’s my suggestons for before TPs #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> alcohol? #ELTchat<\/a> perfect for speaking tests!!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: RT @barbsaka<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> In Texas tchrs used to teach relaxation techniques and do cheers in class \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:56 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @efl101<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> alcohol? #ELTchat<\/a> < recommended to 14 y.o’s at school? (pre-GCSE level!) \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@esolcourses<\/a> Te he he #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@galactadon<\/a> what a great idea – do you have any role-play games for edu that do that?! could be a project #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a>: RT @efl101<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> alcohol? #ELTchat<\/a> < recommended to 14 y.o’s at school? (pre-GCSE level!) \ud83d\ude42 >S’thing in that!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @sandymillin<\/a> RT @esolcourses<\/a>: RT @englishraven<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a> dI do test+strategies- me2 +me2! Strategies are a vital part to build confidence<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @edumazing<\/a>: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#ELTChat<\/a> In Brazil it’s 50\/50, too.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:57 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nStella Cottrell’s study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter, not just study more. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks for the creative ideas–I think I’ll have my older students create a test instead of taking one. Learn as much but more fun! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: Stella Cottrell’s study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter, not just study more. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@JoshSRound<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> @sandymillin<\/a> works for me … hic… #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nStevenHerder<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: Stella Cottrell’s study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter… #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nnot the topic today, but there aren’t enough immersive English learning games out there. God knows there’s a market for them. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n1 thing i love about #eltchat<\/a> is great new connections \ud83d\ude42 thanks @michelleworgan<\/a>@eslmadrid<\/a>@ALiCe__M<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> #Eltchat<\/a> This is what is called anxiety-growing techniques. Present it as a joke. It works!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: 1 thing i love about #eltchat<\/a> is great new connections \ud83d\ude42 thanks @michelleworgan<\/a>@eslmadrid<\/a>@ALiCe__M<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRoleplay… game…. tests… leveling up as reward in the game… Somebody’s been spying on my current project! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @StevenHerder<\/a>: RT @stopspanglish<\/a>: Stella Cottrell’s study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter… #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSs preparing their own tests? Great! I’ll give it a try. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @chucksandy<\/a>: 1 thing i love about #eltchat<\/a> is great new connections \ud83d\ude42 thanks @michelleworgan<\/a>@eslmadrid<\/a> @ALiCe__M<\/a> > me too \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> what about create an activity, such as psychological tests : very fun to do #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Roleplay… game…. tests… leveling up as reward in the game… Somebody’s been spying on my current project! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @luthcal<\/a>: Ss preparing their own tests? Great! I’ll give it a try. #eltchat<\/a> > Prepare to be surprised!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbcnpaul1<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nok – have to go. thanks @rliberni<\/a> @marisa_c<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> @barbsaka<\/a> for lovely moderating & thx all for another motivating #eltchat<\/a> lovely!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@chucksandy<\/a> Yes, I’ve just added lots of new peeps to follow \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ALiCe__M<\/a> That’s a good idea, too! #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> I highly recommend it – they will be delighted to be given the control and responsibility of creating their very own test #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
12:59 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @janetbianchini<\/a>: @barbsaka<\/a> I highly recommend it – they will be delighted to be given the control and responsibility of creating their very own test #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMe too! RT @michelleworgan<\/a>: @chucksandy<\/a> Yes, I’ve just added lots of new peeps to follow \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> Good to have you here again. Have a good one! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ stopspanglish “Stella Cottrell’s study skills book (Palgrave)” do you have link for that? sounds interesting #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@bcnpaul1<\/a> thanks for joining Paul, see you later \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nefl101<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\ngreat #ELTchat<\/a> thanks to all<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThank you all. Learned a hundred new concepts, ideas techies. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@stopspanglish<\/a> Nah… Just share it about, I reckon! \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks for a wonderful #Eltchat<\/a>. It was my first one. So, sorry for being inappropriate \/ slow to respond \/ etc.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @luthcal<\/a>: Ss preparing their own tests? Great! Ill give it a try.>Me 2 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks everyone! I had a great time \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nALiCe__M<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@barbsaka<\/a> then you end up with lots of psychological tests made by students #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> creative work is incredibly difficult,and there’s where the tests lie. How to test creativity?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@chucksandy<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> Stella Cottrell’s book: amazon link\u00a0http:\/\/amzn.to\/gGQxwd<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmichelleworgan<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThis #eltchat<\/a> hour goes so quickly! Thanks everyone, has been a great conversation!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:00 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThe Test Whisperer: students pick up on our energies regarding testing and decide whether to be positive or defensive? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\ngalactadon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nthanks folks. Fun first eltchat for me. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nJoshSRound<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks again #eltchat<\/a> -ters and moderators, another thought-provoking session<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @stopspanglish<\/a>: The Test Whisperer: students pick up on our energies re testing and decide whether to be positive or defensive? #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nTime flies when you’re having fun… and when @barbsaka<\/a> is a chat’s guest moderator. Thanks Barb!!! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWell thank you everyone for participating in a great chat! Special thanks to my co moderators for today @englishraven<\/a> & @riberni<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> I had a blast! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @JoshSRound<\/a>: Thanks again #eltchat<\/a> -ters and moderators, another thought-provoking session<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks @rliberni<\/a> @marisa_c<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> @barbsaka<\/a> for fantastic moderating – really enjoyed it as usual – very motivational #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nlydbury<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nSorry to have missed it. Nuisance this teaching! @Marisa_C<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:01 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Well thank you everyone for participating in a great chat! Special thanks to my co moderators for today @englishraven<\/a> & @riberni<\/a> #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ sandymillin #eltchat<\/a> Stella Cottrell’s book: amazon link\u00a0http:\/\/amzn.to\/gGQxwd<\/a> thanks so much!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nesolcourses<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks for another great #ELTChat<\/a>, everyone, with special thanks to today’s moderators @englishraven<\/a>@Marisa_C<\/a> @barbsaka<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Blush \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nApplause!!! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @lydbury<\/a>: Sorry to have missed it. Nuisance this teaching! #ELTchat<\/a> <gets in the way of talking about it \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nchucksandy<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@stopspanglish<\/a>: “the test whisperer” I love it! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWell done everyone, again #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:02 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSugarJo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThank you #ELTchat<\/a> you certainly tested my rusty twitter fingers<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRemember all newbies to #ELTChat<\/a> … it’s a whirl, it’s fast and fragmented. But our chats are about sparks. See if you can start some fires<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> #Eltchat<\/a> You haven’t been to a Russian secondary school ((<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Remember all newbies to #ELTChat<\/a> … it’s a whirl, it’s fast and fragmented. But our chats are about sparks. See if you can start some fires<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbruno_cesar82<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n#eltchat<\/a> Thank you all for the great convo! Really thought provoking.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nmmgrinberg<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@erikaosvath<\/a> #Eltchat<\/a> Totally agree with you, Erika!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:03 pm<\/a><\/td>\nluthcal<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThank you!! D englishraven #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\njanetbianchini<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nGot to get back to my chickens now – I think one is missing! Thanks for the great chat everyone!! #ELTChat<\/a> See you all next week..<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks to my fabulous co-mods @rliberni<\/a> @Marisa_C<\/a> @barbsaka<\/a> Another interesting session! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nagfigueiredo<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> @englishraven<\/a> @riberni<\/a> Great chat everybody…I’m a bit slow as a newbie but just loved it =) #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nbarbsaka<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nAnd, there WILL be a transcript, later on\u00a0http:\/\/eltchat.com\/<\/a> right? Easier to dig out links! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThank you to all who joined in – what a great buzz that was!!! The transcript will be up soon #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndaylemajor<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@englishraven<\/a> tests show who are good at taking tests. Ever had students who ace language tests yet struggle to communicate? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nIf there are any takers to write up the sumary of this chat I would love you to bits #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: If there are any takers to write up the sumary of this chat I would love you to bits #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\ninteractivecup<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThat was a great session #ELTchat<\/a> ! I always enjoy learning from your tweets!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @barbsaka<\/a>: And, there WILL be a transcript, later on\u00a0http:\/\/eltchat.com\/<\/a> right? Easier to dig out links! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:05 pm<\/a><\/td>\nedumazing<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThe word ‘testing’ is a problem in itself. Negative emotions even before students begin answering questions which affects results #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@daylemajor<\/a> Absolutely… but unfortunately we’ve just wound up the chat! Hope to see you an hour earlier next week, Dayle! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> I’ll do it if no-one else can. Might take a bit longer this time as back at work!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsarah_SKB<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nMy students asked on first day – please test us every week. But I make sure we also have ongoing projects to test other skills #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@adhockley<\/a> Glad you liked it \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nno one wants to be loved by us @englishraven<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:06 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> I can do it if you send me the transcript #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> Fantastic! @Marisa_C<\/a> > Sandy’s just offered! #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: @sandymillin<\/a> Fantastic! @Marisa_C<\/a> > Sandy’s just offered! #ELTChat<\/a> > or @SueAnnan<\/a> if she wants (I had a turn) \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nanalomba<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nLanguage watch – See topics of Mrs. Obama’s visit to Howard University later today.\u00a0#eltchat<\/a> #actfl<\/a> #flteach<\/a> #langchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> Oh thanks Sue! will let you know when transcript is up on the blog \ud83d\ude00 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> OK fine #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> Great, thanks for that. @sandymillin<\/a> May we call on you again soon? \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nESLMadrid<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nWill read the transcript #eltchat<\/a> since I’m a newbie I’ll keep in touch and thank you all.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nfionamau<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: no one wants to be loved by us @englishraven<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a> >> NOT true!!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ESLMadrid<\/a> great to meet you #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nedumazing<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nI actually gave my students a fake standardised test so they could understand their attitudes, feelings, beliefs. Best prep #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:08 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> oops missed your offer ! you and @SueAnnan<\/a> want to decide amongst yourselves? I’m ok with either one of you \ud83d\ude42 #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:09 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMbarek<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThanks for interesting #eltchat<\/a> on testing . Following new elchatter i meet for the first time \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Mbarek<\/a> Glad to have you join us! Following at first is a good idea – get involved soon tho! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nsandymillin<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @englishraven<\/a>: Sue Great, thanks for that. @sandymillin<\/a> May we call on you again soon? \ud83d\ude42 #ELTChat<\/a> <indeed \ud83d\ude42 @SueAnnan<\/a> can do ths 1 \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:11 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@SueAnnan<\/a> you ok doing it? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:12 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMbarek<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> Thanks Marisa ; I ‘ll do my best to get involved regularly #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\nenglishraven<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nLet me just say how wonderful it was to see more teachers from Asia in our #ELTChat<\/a> tonight! We’re getting more global \ud83d\ude42<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:15 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Mbarek<\/a> A pleaseure Mbarek and do please spread the word to #baw2011<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:17 pm<\/a><\/td>\nESLMadrid<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nLikewise, read you soon \ud83d\ude1b RT @SueAnnan<\/a>: @ESLMadrid<\/a> great to meet you #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\nEdK12<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @SamGliksman<\/a>: How effective are standardized tests? A. Too limited in scope B. Often inaccurate C. Skew teaching towards results D. All of above #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Marisa_C<\/a> NO probs #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@sandymillin<\/a> Thanks, I think \ud83d\ude09 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:27 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Chaoukiboss<\/a> You can’t choose the topic; every week we invite you to post a topic on www.eltchat.com then we vote #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@Chaoukiboss<\/a> Yes look forward to it #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:31 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@ESLMadrid<\/a> \ud83d\ude42 #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:40 pm<\/a><\/td>\nNitroxDiver26<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nThis is my first time on here. Barbara invited me–thanks! #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nStarrMatica<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @ShellTerrell<\/a>: Type in words & computer sings them\u00a0http:\/\/tiny.cc\/zkrye<\/a> #eltchat<\/a> #esl<\/a> #yltsig<\/a>#elemchat<\/a> via @HeyLeeAnn<\/a> @marynabadenhors<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nedgycation<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n<— against testing. Projects to get them to use the skills>testing #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:44 pm<\/a><\/td>\nedgyfd<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n<— against testing. Projects to get them to use the skills>testing #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nedgycation<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n<—- Against testing. Project work to show the skills in use>testing. #ELTchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:46 pm<\/a><\/td>\nSueannaN<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\n@NitroxDiver26<\/a> Hi the chat has finished for this session. The next one is at 21.00GMT tonight #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:55 pm<\/a><\/td>\nstopspanglish<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @bcnpaul1<\/a>: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said ‘i’ll do better in the next test”… “what about in between” I said #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
1:58 pm<\/a><\/td>\nMarisa_C<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRead songs chat summary contributed by @fionamau<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a> You are all in there!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
2:07 pm<\/a><\/td>\nlolonagi<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nis it now the #ELTchat<\/a>?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
2:14 pm<\/a><\/td>\natxteacher<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @cybraryman1<\/a>: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page: #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
2:16 pm<\/a><\/td>\nvickysaumell<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @Marisa_C<\/a>: Read songs chat summary contributed by @fionamau<\/a> #ELTChat<\/a>You are all in there!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
2:21 pm<\/a><\/td>\ntucksoon<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @cybraryman1<\/a>: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page: #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
2:23 pm<\/a><\/td>\nerikaosvath<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nInteresting post from @kalinagoenglish<\/a> ‘Compliments, Praise and Insincerity’#eltchat<\/a> #beltfree<\/a> #huedchat<\/a> #education<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
2:26 pm<\/a><\/td>\ncsabiberger<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @erikaosvath<\/a>: sry, got 2 go back 2 work. hre’s 1 procedure of testing that has worked 4 me. sry abt the link\u00a0 #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
2:29 pm<\/a><\/td>\nandrefn18<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @luthcal<\/a>: Ss preparing their own tests? Great! I’ll give it a try. #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
2:35 pm<\/a><\/td>\nlinguaprof<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nhas anyone got experience with language learning aptitude testing? Online? #ELTChat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
2:53 pm<\/a><\/td>\nGlogsterEDU<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nEdgar Allen Poe, theme of many spooky glogs:\u00a0http:\/\/vickyfuentesss.edu.glogster.com\/edgarallanpoe\/<\/a>#edchat<\/a> #edtech<\/a> #TMGA11<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
3:04 pm<\/a><\/td>\ndbates479<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @GlogsterEDU<\/a>: Edgar Allen Poe, theme of many spooky glogs:http:\/\/vickyfuentesss.edu.glogster.com\/edgarallanpoe\/<\/a> #edchat<\/a> #edtech<\/a> #TMGA11<\/a> #eltchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
3:10 pm<\/a><\/td>\nactfl<\/a>:<\/strong><\/td>\nRT @analomba<\/a>: Language watch – See topics of Mrs. Obama’s visit to Howard University later today. #eltchat<\/a> #actfl<\/a> #flteach<\/a> #langchat<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Transcript for January 19, 2011 12:00 p.m. GMT 11:55 am ShellTerrell: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us! 11:55 am Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join…
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