Should ESL teachers learn a second/foreign language? Can this help us to become better teachers?

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Should ESL teachers learn a second/foreign language? Can this help us to become better teachers?

Transcript for December 22 – 9 p.m. GMT

9:00 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to our next topic – please join us for the last #ELTchat of the year
9:00 pm cecilialcoelho: #ELTchat for the next half hour my tweets will be dedicated to the last #ELTchat of the year (will have to leave early).
9:00 pm Marisa_C: Welcome to our last #ELTchat of 2010 – Is learning a foreign language a good thing for an FL teacher? Does it makes us better teachers?
9:00 pm vbenevolofranca: RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to our next topic – please join us for the last #ELTchat of the year
9:01 pm lolonagi: Yes, I think it really helps sometimes english cannot solve all problems #ELTchat
9:01 pm Marisa_C: This evening I will be your only moderator – if any of our more seasoned #ELTchat friends wish to lend a helping hand I will be grateful
9:02 pm sandymillin: @Marisa_C Yes – we remember what it’s like to not understand, not know, not be able to say what we want #eltchat
9:02 pm Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C Yes – we remember what it’s like to not understand, not know, not be able to say what we want #eltchat
9:02 pm seburnt: If nothing else, it grants us some empathy for our students learning situation. #ELTchat
9:02 pm Marisa_C: Is this tru of both NEST’s and NNEST’s ? #ELTchat
9:02 pm cecilialcoelho: As a NNEST who Cs benefits in being such when Tching a English, I think every ELT teacher would benefit from learning another lang #ELTchat
9:03 pm Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: Is this tru of both NEST’s and NNEST’s ? #ELTchat
9:03 pm esolcourses: @Marisa_C how many hands would you like to borrow? 😉 #ELTchat
9:03 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @seburnt: If nothing else, it grants us some empathy for our students learning situation. #ELTchat
9:03 pm Marisa_C: RT @cecilialcoelho: As a NNEST who Cs benefits in being such when Tching a English, I think every ELT T would benefit from this #ELTchat
9:03 pm lolonagi: RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C how many hands would you like to borrow? 😉 #ELTchathehehehhehe
9:03 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C how many hands would you like to borrow? 😉 #ELTchat > Am here if you need 😉
9:03 pm Marisa_C: @esolcourses I want your hands… Was hoping you would offer at least one 😀 #ELTchat
9:04 pm Marisa_C: @cecilialcoelho Great ! Thanks – lovely! #ELTchat
9:04 pm vbenevolofranca: Yes, I tend to think it does help – we get in touch with some of the difficulties involved when learning a new language.#ELTchat
9:04 pm esolcourses: @Marisa_C my pleasure – happy to help out 😀 #ELTchat
9:04 pm sandymillin: #ELTchat think it’s true for everyone – many NNESTs learnt Eng a while ago, so it’s a memory – good 2 do 1 lesson + every couple of years
9:04 pm cecilialcoelho: Learning any lang put u in the STs’ shoes and makes you relate better to what / how they feel #ELTchat
9:04 pm seburnt: Other languages also give Ts insight into common errors, social ideology and language structure. #ELTchat
9:04 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: RT @cecilialcoelho: As a NNEST who Cs benefits in being such when Tching a English, I think every ELT T would benefit from this #ELTchat
9:05 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat If you are new to this chat ask me @Marisa_C or @esolcourses of @cecilialcoelho for help – thanks ladies!
9:05 pm cecilialcoelho: @Marisa_C Always glad to help 😉 #ELTchat
9:05 pm sandymillin: @seburnt #eltchat insight into common errors <- yes, helps you understand WHY SS making certain errors, not just that it’s common
9:06 pm Blog4Edu: via @DaveDodgson Merry Christmas from the 2 Newest Internet Music Sensations – English Raven & The Brig… http://bit.ly/hxDS69 #ELTChat
9:06 pm DaveDodgson: New blog post: Merry Christmas from the 2 Newest Internet Music Sensations – English Raven & The Bright… http://bit.ly/hxDS69 #ELTchat
9:06 pm cecilialcoelho: Do you think the language chosen to learn matters? #ELTchat
9:06 pm Marisa_C: As a NNEST I can’t remember what it was like to be a beginner – I learnt as a child. #ELTchat so my beginner Turkish course was invaluable
9:06 pm esolcourses: If you are new to #ELtchat ask me @esolcourses or @Marisa_C or @cecilialcoelho for help
9:07 pm sandymillin: @cecilialcoelho #eltchat think it’s useful to learn ur SS language in monolingual class – helps you see their errors
9:07 pm cecilialcoelho: @Marisa_C I had the same experience Marisa. Learned Eng V young, going back for Spanish and French took me back #ELTchat
9:07 pm seburnt: Oops, forgot hashtag. @cecilialcoelho If your class is homogeneous, it’s probably good to start with your Ss language. #ELTchat
9:07 pm peterjohnfenton: RT @cecilialcoelho: Learning any lang put u in the STs’ shoes and makes you relate better to how they feel #ELTchat agreed empathy is key!
9:08 pm Marisa_C: RT @cecilialcoelho: Do you think the language chosen to learn matters? #ELTchat > No I don’t – but it’s good if distant to ur L1 or L2
9:08 pm sandymillin: @cecilialcoelho #eltchat but if multiling / u know lang already, just being a language learner helps regardless of which lang.
9:08 pm Marisa_C: Who would like to learn some Modern Greek? #ELTchat
9:08 pm Fuertesun: Hi everyone whats’s the topic? #eltchat
9:08 pm esolcourses: To be honest, I’m not sure I’ve met anyone who works in ELT who doesn’t speak a second language… would have thought it a given? #eltchat
9:08 pm cecilialcoelho: I agree with @seburnt and @sandymillin that if u have a monoligual group it’s good to know their lang. #ELTchat
9:09 pm sandymillin: @Marisa_C @cecilialcoelho #eltchat distant to L1 / L2 good – gives you new perspective
9:09 pm esolcourses: RT @cecilialcoelho: Learning any lang put u in the STs’ shoes and makes you relate better to what / how they feel #ELTchat
9:09 pm fionamau: RT @peterjohnfenton: Learning any lang put u in the STs’ shoes and makes you relate better to how they feel #ELTchat agreed empathy is key!
9:09 pm Marisa_C: @esolcourses I know many L1 Ts who don’t speak any language other than English and the Grammar of French or German etc maybe #eltchat
9:09 pm DaveDodgson: I’m still awake so I may as well join #ELTchat 🙂
9:09 pm cecilialcoelho: @Fuertesun topic is “is it a good idea for ESL/EFL Ts to learn a foreign Language?”#eltchat
9:09 pm sandymillin: @Marisa_C #eltchat did learn Modern Greek for a year. First new alphabet – appreciated new challenge, but then, I love languages!
9:09 pm Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C @cecilialcoelho #eltchat distant to L1 / L2 good – gives you new perspective – indeed!
9:09 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho thanks #eltchat
9:09 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson Great idea Dave… u have vaulable opinions to give – I know 😉 #ELTchat
9:10 pm cecilialcoelho: @Fuertesun : -))) YW Leahn #eltchat
9:10 pm seburnt: I’ve learned bits and pieces of several languages, but I’m nowhere near able to hold a conversation in any of them. #ELTchat
9:10 pm vbenevolofranca: Think it is true for NNESTs & non NNESTs it gives us insight into the cognitive aspect of the learning & teaching of a FL. #ELTchat
9:10 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho @seburnt @sandymillin Not so sure. I knew many typicla Turkish student errors before I ever knew Turkish! #ELTchat
9:10 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat @DaveDodgson many NNESTs have a very expat/colonial attitude to learning languages in countries they teach
9:11 pm Fuertesun: RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat @DaveDodgson many NNESTs have a very expat/colonial attitude to learning languages in countries they teach
9:11 pm cecilialcoelho: We had a NEST come spend a year here and she never learned any Portuguese – never showed any interest. #ELTChat
9:11 pm fionamau: RT @vbenevolofranca: it gives us insight into the cognitive aspect of the learning & teaching of FL. #ELTchat >also affective eg frustration
9:11 pm Marisa_C: RT @cecilialcoelho: We had a NEST come spend a year here and she never learned any Portuguese – never showed any interest. #ELTChat
9:11 pm lolonagi: we do not have to speak the language to know the structure, I mean thorough search would do the trick to know the mistakes of ss #eltchat
9:11 pm Fuertesun: RT @cecilialcoelho: We had a NEST come spend a year here and she never learned any Portuguese – never showed any interest. #ELTChat shame
9:12 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson You may have known (or predict) the mistakes before u learned, but did you understand why? #ELTchat
9:12 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Especially good for fresh-off-CELTA teachers who really can’t remember / don’t know what it’s like for SS (reduces TTT!?)
9:12 pm Fuertesun: RT @fionamau: RT @vbenevolofranca: it gives us insight into the cognitive aspect of the learning & teaching of FL. #ELTchat >also affective eg frustration
9:12 pm esolcourses: RT @fionamau: RT @vbenevolofranca: it gives us insight into the cognitive aspect of the learning & teaching of FL. #ELTchat >also affective eg frustration
9:12 pm cecilialcoelho: @Fuertesun Completely agree… Why come to a different country if not to experience the culture, right? #ELTChat
9:12 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @fionamau: RT @vbenevolofranca: it gives us insight into the cognitive aspect of the learning & teaching of FL. #ELTchat >also affective eg frustration
9:12 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho The problem there is, you teach English, your social contacts speak English/want to speak English… #ELTchat
9:12 pm sandymillin: @DaveDodgson #eltchat Not vital to know L1 to recognise SS errors, but helps you see more and get into intricacies?
9:13 pm johnsonmaryj: When I study Italian in Italy w/ students from all over world, I experience (as a learner) techniques of #eltchat teachers. So useful.
9:13 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho …mkaes it difficult to learn. Plus if you think ‘just a year’ there’s little motivation #ELTchat
9:13 pm Fuertesun: RT @DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho The problem there is, you teach English, your social contacts speak English/want to speak English… #ELTchat
9:13 pm sandymillin: @Marisa_C @DaveDodgson #eltchat expat attitude < I agree. I teach in Czech Rep, and most of my colleagues don’t understand why I learn Cz
9:13 pm Marisa_C: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Especially good for fresh-off-CELTA teachers > Especially for those > We teach them a foreign language for a bit
9:13 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson I see your point Dave… It happens here too – Everyone wants to speak Eng to NESTs. I make a conscious effort not to #ELTchat
9:13 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Yes, I would notice a certain error, other s would tell me “that’s because in Turkish…” #ELTchat
9:14 pm fionamau: RT @lolonagi – #eltchat bt ‘walk the talk’ is always gd philosophy.makes fr better dynamic if sts feel they can teach u 2, swap idioms etc
9:14 pm Marisa_C: @sandymillin A very limited attitude I find #eltchat
9:15 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson I disagree when u say just a year = little motivation Dave. Time shouldn’t be relevant. Then why go 2 a diff country? #ELTchat
9:15 pm DaveDodgson: @seburnt @cecilialcoelho Same when I 1st came to Turkey – little reason to go beyond asking for things in the supermarket! #ELTchat
9:15 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho I live on tourist island evryone wants to practice their Eng here too!@cecilialcoelho#ELTchat
9:15 pm vbenevolofranca: RT @cecilialcoelho Had a NEST spend a yr here.she never learned any Portuguese-… #ELTChat> Like to think this is an exception to the rule.
9:15 pm esolcourses: @ALiCe__M @Marisa_C @sandymillin @DaveDodgson @seburnt find that a bit surprising… wd think it must put them at a disadvantage #ELTchat
9:15 pm Marisa_C: @sandymillin I teach them a few lessons in the very basic Turkish I have 🙂 #ELTchat
9:16 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho I agree was in Thailand for year and I tried! #ELTchat
9:16 pm sandymillin: @Marisa_C A very limited attitude I find #eltchat < definitely. But it’s the ‘only a year’ syndrome (& after 5 years, still same opinion)
9:16 pm fionamau: #eltchat quite useful to study an L2 with a BAD teacher, and note why things don’t work – then reflect on own teaching.
9:16 pm cecilialcoelho: @vbenevolofranca Me too Valeria… And think it is, for we had much more examples of the opposite #ELTChat
9:16 pm sueleather: @Marisa_C I don’t see how it could possibly be a bad thing…? #eltchat
9:16 pm Fuertesun: @fionamau that’s an idea #eltchat
9:16 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat I think I must try and get our LEARNERS to teach the CELTA teachers a little of THEIR lang – what do you think?
9:17 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho For cheap beer and travel of course :p #ELTchat
9:17 pm lolonagi: RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat I think I must try and get our LEARNERS to teach the CELTA teachers a little of THEIR lang – what do you think?
9:17 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C great idea#ELTchat #ELTchat
9:17 pm Marisa_C: @DaveDodgson Awwww how cynical – how true … #ELTchat
9:17 pm sandymillin: @fionamau #eltchat definitely! > study with BAD teacher…but oh, so depressing!
9:17 pm cecilialcoelho: @ALiCe__M I agree w/ u there Alice… It shows everyone is a learner in one way or another, & all learners go thru the same process #ELTChat
9:17 pm AlexandraKouk: #eltchat Hi all! I have a NEST friend – english teacher – in Greece for 25 years, hardly speaks any Greek!!!
9:18 pm Marisa_C: @sueleather Hi Sue! Great to see you here – jump in! Of course it couldn’t – everyone agreeing so far #eltchat
9:18 pm DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C Good idea – would be interesting to see if the learners adopt the methods they say they like or not 😉 #ELTchat
9:18 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Marisa_C: @DaveDodgson Awwww how cynical – how true … #ELTchat > Certainly can be true about Brazil 😉
9:18 pm peterjohnfenton: @Marisa_C Sounds like a great idea. In my Trinity TESOL, 2nd lang lessons were compulsory – I learnt a little Czech #eltchat
9:18 pm esolcourses: @vbenevolofranca @Fuertesun @cecilialcoelho even if I’m only going on holiday I try! big part of experiencing other cultures, IMO #ELTchat
9:18 pm johnsonmaryj: Even when I study a new lng with a good teacher, I want to show them all the cool technology tools for learning. #eltchat
9:18 pm Marisa_C: @DaveDodgson Our learners are getting better at assessing the celta trainees than us, the tutors…. 😀 #ELTchat
9:19 pm cgoodey: RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat I think I must try & get our LEARNERS to teach CELTA teachers a little of THEIR lang – what do u think? < good idea!
9:19 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I think it’s an excellent idea, the most important part would befeedback, I reckon. #eltchat
9:19 pm cecilialcoelho: @Marisa_C Fabulous idea Marisa!!!! #ELTchat
9:19 pm Marisa_C: @cgoodey THanks! WHo cares what methods the learners use! #ELTchat
9:19 pm Larryferlazzo: RT @Marisa_C: @cgoodey THanks! WHo cares what methods the learners use! #ELTchat
9:19 pm Marisa_C: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I think it’s an excellent idea, the most important part would befeedback, I reckon. #eltchat
9:19 pm sandymillin: @Marisa_C @sueleather #eltchat if everyone’s agreeing, we’re the converted. How do we persuade the language-shy? (as multilingual obsessive)
9:20 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C #ELTchat I think I must try & get LEARNERS to teach the CELTA teachers a little of THEIR lang – what do you think? Gr8 idea!
9:20 pm sandymillin: RT @cgoodey: RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat I think I must try & get our LEARNERS to teach CELTA teachers a little of THEIR lang – what do u think? < good idea!
9:20 pm fionamau: RT @Fuertesun #eltchat my dad failed 2 learn Spanish fr 3 yrs w teacher; his experience v helpful fr my teaching.Now he uses Aguila Roja 😉
9:20 pm seburnt: I was in Korea for 6 years & never met a career EFL teacher. Every1 was there 4 various reasons; none were to teach EFL 4ever. #ELTchat
9:20 pm cgoodey: @Marisa_C Exactly! Might learn new ways of teaching!! #ELTchat
9:20 pm DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C Student assessment of trainees is a great idea – highly relevant, isn’t it? #ELTchat
9:20 pm Marisa_C: RT @DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C Student assessment of trainees is a great idea – highly relevant, isn’t it? #ELTchat > Absolutely! I always ask
9:21 pm Marisa_C: @DaveDodgson and moreover they ALWAYS know! all the grades.. #ELTchat
9:21 pm cecilialcoelho: @esolcourses @vbenevolofranca @Fuertesun Me too Sue! But is it natural 4 us – being Ts certainly shows a liking for langs #ELTchat
9:21 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C @cgoodey might also give teachers an insight to the way learners see “good teaching” #eltchat
9:22 pm seburnt: Now, it’s a matter of time–Does learning another language outweigh blogging, prep and other extracurricular teacher stuff? #ELTchat
9:22 pm sueleather: I suppose an interesting question might be if one could actually prove that teaching improves if you learn a language yourself. #eltchat
9:22 pm DaveDodgson: I think learning a 2nd language is useful to remember what’s it’s like to be a learner more than for understanding students’ errors #ELTchat
9:22 pm esolcourses: @cecilialcoelho @vbenevolofranca @Fuertesun had assumed it was a natural, but from what others have said, possibly not #ELTchat
9:22 pm cecilialcoelho: @seburnt It’s not uncommon in Brazil – tho bigger, more serious schools are a bit different. Many former exchange STs as Eng Ts. #ELTChat
9:22 pm Fuertesun: RT @DaveDodgson: I think learning a 2nd language is useful to remember what’s it’s like to be a learner more than for understanding students’ errors #ELTchat
9:22 pm cgoodey: RT @DaveDodgson: I think learning a 2nd language is useful to remember what’s it’s like to be a learner more than for understanding students’ errors #ELTchat
9:22 pm sandymillin: @cecilialcoelho #eltchat depends on if you’re career teacher or just doing it because you don’t know what else to do :s
9:22 pm esolcourses: RT @sueleather: interesting question might be if one could actually prove that teaching improves if you learn a language yourself. #eltchat
9:22 pm fionamau: RT @cecilialcoelho: But is it natural 4 us – being Ts certainly shows a liking for langs #ELTchat >> make that ‘being dedicated teachers’
9:23 pm sueleather: As opposed to,say, learning a new skill like skiing or tai chi. #eltchat
9:23 pm Marisa_C: @sueleather I think we really don’t have any serious research to back this up with – does anyone know of any? #eltchat
9:23 pm cecilialcoelho: @fionamau Ok 🙂 Dedicated, passionate, career ETL teachers 🙂 #ELTchat
9:23 pm sandymillin: @seburnt #eltchat good point, but one hour once a month just for tasters, or trying to use odd phrases outside school takes little time
9:23 pm esolcourses: @sueleather I’d say learning languages as an adult & discovering what works 4 me has given me strategies I wouldn’t otherwise have #ELTchat
9:24 pm AlexandraKouk: @DaveDodgson #eltchat Absolutely agree
9:24 pm cecilialcoelho: @sandymillin Agreed Sandy… or maybe just making a few quick (easy) bucks while can’t find a job u want #eltchat
9:24 pm pdguymikeg: RT @esolcourses: RT @cecilialcoelho: Learning any lang put u in the STs’ shoes and makes you relate better to what / how they feel #ELTchat
9:24 pm fionamau: RT @DaveDodgson: useful 2remember what it’s like 2 b a learner #ELTchat > exactly. it’s the affective bit, being aware of how HARD it can be
9:24 pm sueleather: @Marisa_C Yes.. the research would be interesting- and probably not very convincing:) #eltchat
9:25 pm sandymillin: @esolcourses @sueleather & learning languages in diff ways – 2 at school, 1 at uni, 1 in country, 1 with friend – all diff. methods #eltchat
9:25 pm cecilialcoelho: @seburnt Ouch!!! Right on where it hurts Tyson! So so true… I think part of my insomnia comes from trying to do it all #ELTchat
9:25 pm johnsonmaryj: Agree with @DaveDodgson. Learning another lng builds empathy, not just teaching strategies. #eltchat
9:25 pm fionamau: RT @cecilialcoelho: @fionamau Ok 🙂 Dedicated, passionate, career ETL teachers 🙂 #ELTchat – claro and of course :-))
9:25 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson I think both reasons are equally valid Dave. Reminds you of both sides #ELTchat
9:25 pm sueleather: @esolcourses I agree…but it’s all quite anecdotal isn’t it? Not that there’s anything wrong with that:) #eltchat
9:25 pm Marisa_C: @sueleather Cambridge might be able to do it – there are high Nos of celta’s every year – q-aire they complete could include this #eltchat
9:26 pm esolcourses: RT @sandymillin: @esolcourses @sueleather & learning languages in diff ways – 2 at school, 1 at uni, 1 in country, 1 with friend – all diff. methods #eltchat
9:26 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat – There is a research hypothesis here for anyone interested in pursuing this ….
9:26 pm vbenevolofranca: RT @esolcourses: @sueleather I’d say learning languages as an adult & discovering what works 4 me has given me strategies I wouldn’t otherwise have #ELTchat
9:26 pm sueleather: @Marisa_C Good idea. At least you could get some qualitative data. #eltchat
9:27 pm esolcourses: @sueleather agree… although in theory I suppose it would be possible to research it #ELTchat
9:27 pm sandymillin: #eltchat and the time thing is sth our SS can deal with (job, family, hobbies, studies, sleep and English!), so we should too
9:27 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho I’m not convinced by the ‘know their L1 influenced errors’ arguement …. #ELTchat
9:27 pm seburnt: @sandymillin I’d rarely have opp to use a FL outside of school in Toronto, which may be multicultural, but who speaks what? #ELTchat
9:27 pm lolonagi: @Marisa_C I think this a very interesting area that lack research #eltchat
9:27 pm Marisa_C: Whoa! Am thankful for @esolcourses and @ceciliacoelho … not catching up with all your comments!!! #ELTchat
9:27 pm cecilialcoelho: Do you, as a lang teacher feel awkward being back in the role of the ST? Assess yr T’s technique differently? That happened to me. #ELTChat
9:27 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho … Natural Order Hypothesis suggests the pattern of learning is largely the same regardless of the students’ L1 #ELTchat
9:27 pm fionamau: @sandymillin #eltchat not just career teachers; depends on attitude 2 ‘foreigners’ eg Brits who spend life criticising Spain n work here…
9:28 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho I feel frustrated learning German.. #ELTChat
9:28 pm esolcourses: RT @DaveDodgson: I think learning a 2nd language is useful to remember what’s it’s like to be a learner more than for understanding students’ errors #ELTchat
9:28 pm cybraryman1: My Foreign Language pages: http://bit.ly/27FSD #eltchat
9:28 pm Marisa_C: @sueleather …. to correlate with their grades possibly…? #eltchat
9:28 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho I like being the student #ELTChat
9:28 pm sandymillin: @seburnt #eltchat OK, that was from my living in country mindset 😉 although there must be someone (found French spkr here after 2.5 years!)
9:28 pm cybraryman1: @Fuertesun I have some German links on my FL page: http://bit.ly/7mBkTo #eltchat
9:28 pm seburnt: @cecilialcoelho True. We all could be learning other languages right now instead of tweeting. 😉 #ELTchat
9:28 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Not sure – I learned Turkish without a teacher! #ELTchat
9:28 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat Who would like to take part in a beginner Modern Greek course online?
9:29 pm Fuertesun: @cybraryman1 thanks #eltchat
9:29 pm sandymillin: @Fuertesun @cecilialcoelho I like being the student #ELTChat < me too! Love it 🙂
9:29 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson How can u not be convinced by that argument? I think it makes perfect sense. #ELTchat
9:29 pm Mbarek: Hi all , great discussion going on #Eltchat
9:29 pm peterjohnfenton: I think Dornyei wrote that having a good model (i.e. teacher learning a 2nd language) can help improve motivation in learners #ELTchat
9:29 pm Marisa_C: @Mbarek Hi and welcome! #Eltchat
9:29 pm Fuertesun: @cybraryman1 have a German partner and German TV! but need to learn the grammar #eltchat
9:29 pm cgoodey: Our experiences of learning L2s will b different from our learners so important not 2 make assumptions about their learning… #eltchat
9:29 pm sandymillin: @Marisa_C #ELTChat sounds good
9:29 pm Mbarek: @Marisa_C Hi Marisa , glad to see u here #Eltchat
9:30 pm Marisa_C: RT @peterjohnfenton: I think Dornyei wrote that having a good model (i.e.T learning an L2) can help improve motivation in learners #ELTchat
9:30 pm Marisa_C: @annapires #ELTchat am counting you in!
9:30 pm cecilialcoelho: @sandymillin @Fuertesun Don’t get me wrong, I like being a ST bt had a harder time Bing a lang ST again, after Tching Eng 4 so long #ELTChat
9:30 pm sandymillin: @peterjohnfenton #ELTChat my SS often say they like my lessons because they know I understand. Always tell them in lesson 1 tht I spk 4 lngs
9:30 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C Very diff I lived on the Peoploneese six months only remmeber a parot’s claw ! #ELTchat
9:31 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Students around the world find the same things difficult whatever their L1 is. L1 influenced errors are minor and.. #ELTchat
9:31 pm seburnt: @sandymillin That’s right. My L2 doesn’t have to be a practical choice, I suppose. #ELTchat
9:31 pm esolcourses: @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho I’ve learnt languages without a teacher, but I think need to be very motivated to do it successfully #eltchat
9:31 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho yes more crtitical? #ELTChat
9:31 pm Marisa_C: @Fuertesun I don’t even know what that is in my own language! He he #ELTchat
9:31 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho ..quite easily resolved in my experience #ELTchat
9:31 pm VictoriaB52: #eltchat a most valuable teaching lesson was when I sat through a Vietnamese listening lesson for an hour…unable to hear different tones
9:31 pm Mbarek: RT @esolcourses: @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho I’ve learnt languages without a teacher, but I think need to be very motivated to do it successfully #eltchat
9:31 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C What about a ferret’s toe? #ELTchat
9:32 pm peterjohnfenton: @sandymillin good idea! If teacher can do it, why can’t I? #ELTchat
9:32 pm seburnt: @cecilialcoelho @sandymillin @Fuertesun I’m sure I’d evaluate my T’s teaching style and activity choices. LOL #ELTchat
9:32 pm Mbarek: @esolcourses Absolutely , it’s all about motivation #eltchat
9:32 pm Marisa_C: @Fuertesun #ELTchat u gotta be kidding me … lol
9:32 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson Strongly disagree there Dave… You have your pool of common mistakes all around, but you also have V specific … #ELTchat
9:32 pm sandymillin: @cgoodey #ELTChat all learners’ experiences are diff, so helps us to appreciate that more -can plan 1 lesson for all, but to get it is diff.
9:32 pm lolonagi: @esolcourses do agree about motivation #eltchat
9:33 pm fionamau: RT @peterjohnfenton: Dornyei:teacher learning a 2nd lang can improve motivatn in learners #ELTchat> changes perceived roles, same boat feel
9:33 pm Fuertesun: @seburnt Can you imagine! just finished a com comp course with 15 teachers imagine what they were saying after class LOL #ELTchat
9:33 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson …. repetitive mistakes by STs of specific L1s. And not only in pronunciation, but grammar, vocab… #ELTchat
9:33 pm esolcourses: @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho not sure I agree with you on that, Dave – particularly where pronunciation is concerned #eltchat
9:33 pm vbenevolofranca: RT@Marisa_C: #ELTchat Who would like to take part in beginner Modern Greek course online?>would be gr8: different alphabet & new phonology!
9:33 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C I still remember….it was a5 years ago! #ELTchat
9:34 pm DaveDodgson: Wait! I did have a 4 week Turkish course – teacher hell-bent on grammar & explained everything in English! I quit after 2 weeks 😉 #ELTchat
9:34 pm Marisa_C: In my school my trainees have to do teaching practice with real beginners – V. difficult to teach without understanding & empathy #ELTchat
9:34 pm Fuertesun: @VictoriaB52 YES I’m tone deaf it Thailand was a nightmare #eltchat
9:34 pm esolcourses: @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho having a non-western L1 alphabet is another issue #eltchat
9:34 pm cgoodey: Aah! Not easy to keep up!! #eltchat
9:34 pm cecilialcoelho: @seburnt @sandymillin @Fuertesun LOL! Exactly what happened to me! Always caught myself thinking (why didn’t she do it like that?)#ELTchat
9:34 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat I think it is the low level learners who benefit from this even more
9:34 pm sandymillin: @cecilialcoelho @Fuertesun #ELTChat know what you mean about frustration, but maybe we could share what we know (like @Marisa_C‘s Greek)
9:35 pm Marisa_C: @cgoodey I’m following ya! #eltchat
9:35 pm sueleather: A danger is that a teacher who’s a good language learner still can’t understand the problems of learners who are more challenged. #eltchat
9:35 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho Can you imagine all the crtiiques good job got thick skin #ELTchat
9:35 pm cgoodey: @Marisa_C 🙂 #eltchat
9:35 pm esolcourses: RT @sueleather: A danger is that a teacher who’s a good language learner still can’t understand the problems of learners who are more challenged. #eltchat
9:35 pm cgoodey: RT @sueleather: A danger is that a teacher who’s a good language learner still can’t understand the problems of learners who are more challenged. #eltchat
9:35 pm Marisa_C: RT @sueleather: A danger: a T who’s a good lang Learner still can’t understand the problems of learners who are more challenged. #eltchat
9:35 pm vbenevolofranca: RT @cgoodey: Our experiences learning L2s different from our learners important not 2 make assumptions about their learning.. #eltchat> True
9:36 pm Fuertesun: RT @Marisa_C: In my school my trainees have to do teaching practice with real beginners – V. difficult to teach without understanding & empathy #ELTchat
9:36 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho but most of those issues are easily resolved. 3rd person present simple singular is not #ELTchat
9:36 pm flexolern: RT @ShellTerrell: One way to overcome burnout is to find ways to have fun with lessons! #eltchat<<< true!
9:36 pm sueleather: So in fact, in that case, learning a language can have the opposite effect than that desired…. #eltchat
9:36 pm Marisa_C: @sueleather Excellent point Sue – but even though I think I am 1 there were still levels of empathy that I would otherwise not have #eltchat
9:36 pm Fuertesun: RT @Marisa_C: RT @sueleather: A danger: a T who’s a good lang Learner still can’t understand the problems of learners who are more challenged. #eltchat
9:37 pm goralkai: RT @cybraryman1: Administrators should provide more support & help for teachers to combat the stress #eltchat
9:37 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C Sure, but this does not rule out the invaluable experience of having been a learner oneself #eltchat
9:37 pm DaveDodgson: @esolcourses Again, I think that comes back to pronunciation/accent #ELTchat
9:37 pm Marisa_C: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C Sure, but this does not rule out the invaluable experience of having been a learner oneself #eltchat > Agree fully
9:37 pm fionamau: RT @DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho – 3rd person present simple singular is not #ELTchat only important in exams, not in communication….
9:38 pm Marisa_C: @englishraven Welcome my co – moderator! I have had to seek inside help!!! Been on me own 😀 #ELTchat
9:38 pm Fuertesun: @cecilialcoelho I nevr got the subjunctive in French #eltchat
9:38 pm englishraven: @cecilialcoelho @esolcourses @annapires Whoops! My thoughts just trespassed on #ELTChat ! Not normally about at this time…
9:38 pm cecilialcoelho: @Marisa_C I’d love to learn Greek online 🙂 #ELTchat
9:38 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C Shall I dive in late and attempt to help out? #ELTChat 🙂
9:38 pm Marisa_C: @cecilialcoelho I’m counting you in too! #ELTchat
9:38 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Same in Turkey – but I don’t see that as an L1 issue. #ELTchat
9:38 pm Marisa_C: @englishraven Yay! #ELTChat
9:39 pm sandymillin: @sueleather #ELTChat yes, but as a good language learner, we could share techniques / enthusiasm – gives SS same boat feeling
9:39 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Learners who have a pres perfect equivalent in their L1 also struggle with it! #ELTchat
9:39 pm englishraven: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C Sure, but this does not rule out the invaluable experience of having been a learner oneself #eltchat
9:39 pm Marisa_C: RT @DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Learners who have a pres perfect equivalent in their L1 also struggle with it! #ELTchat > True
9:39 pm cecilialcoelho: @Fuertesun Don’t get me started on French… had great difficulty and little time. Put it on standby for a while 🙁 Miss it #eltchat
9:39 pm englishraven: RT @sueleather: So in fact, in that case, learning a language can have the opposite effect than that desired…. #eltchat
9:40 pm sandymillin: @cecilialcoelho @Marisa_C I’d love to learn Greek online 🙂 #ELTchat < me too (have a little bit, but not much!)
9:40 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat – if of course a monolingual class this is even more valuable for contrastive analysis and understanding of source of error
9:40 pm fionamau: #eltchat – not ‘getting’ subjunctives or prepositions or tones probably helps our teachg! Fewer unreal demands on sts,more realistic aims…
9:40 pm Marisa_C: @sandymillin Am counting you in too 😀 #ELTchat
9:40 pm cecilialcoelho: @Marisa_C @DaveDodgson Agree, but I can’t believe they struggle as much. I have only taught Brazilians so far though #ELTchat
9:41 pm sandymillin: @DaveDodgson #ELTchat but regardless of specifics, all these problems help you remember how hard it is to learn new lang
9:41 pm Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat
9:41 pm VictoriaB52: #eltchat I found learning Vietnamese nigh on impossible Listening and speaking-wise. Was a great help – esp re teaching listening skills
9:41 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson I think your Turkish course sounds V similar to my French. I think the teacher just didn’t convince me. #ELTchat
9:41 pm cgoodey: My exp. of learning langs is that I had 2 get out there & use the language & get lots of exposure. How does that help in classroom? #eltchat
9:41 pm Marisa_C: @VictoriaB52 but you tried… #eltchat
9:42 pm englishraven: Surely it’s the ‘public effort’ that counts, though… especially when you try the learners own L1? #ELTChat
9:42 pm sandymillin: #ELTchat sometimes give SS 5 minutes at end of class to quiz me in Czech to help them see errors don’t matter (esp. reluctant speakers)
9:42 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C I have real problems when I teach in multi-lingual classes as I rely on my knowledge of Spanish too much #ELTchat
9:42 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat > Completely agree 🙂
9:42 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Plus, I don’t need to speak Portuguese to know they don’t use perfect tenses & will find it difficult 😉 #ELTchat
9:42 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C Learners with a pres perfect equivalent in their L1 also struggle w it! #ELTchat >but bks make an issue of it so it’s scary!
9:42 pm esolcourses: RT @Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat ] absolutely!
9:42 pm ALiCe__M: @sueleather In my eyes, learning a language can have nothing but good effects, teachingwise #eltchat
9:42 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson Now, now… did I hear a patronizing tone there??? ;-P #ELTchat
9:42 pm DaveDodgson: @sandymillin That was my original point! #ELTchat
9:42 pm Marisa_C: @fionamau Books make an issue of a lot of things to fill up the pages – in my view #ELTchat
9:42 pm esolcourses: RT @ALiCe__M: @sueleather In my eyes, learning a language can have nothing but good effects, teachingwise #eltchat
9:42 pm englishraven: @cgoodey Perhaps it helps you find ways to approach or mimic the “getting out there” factor in a classroom? #ELTChat
9:42 pm VictoriaB52: #eltchat I also discovered I learn languages differently to how I teach them. I’m still questioning why.
9:43 pm Fuertesun: RT @VictoriaB52: #eltchat I also discovered I learn languages differently to how I teach them. I’m still questioning why.
9:43 pm fionamau: RT @sandymillin: @DaveDodgson #ELTchat but regardless of specifics, all these problems help you remember how hard it is to learn new lang
9:43 pm sandymillin: RT @esolcourses: RT @Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat ] absolutely!
9:43 pm lolonagi: @DaveDodgson for example I know that arab ss do not say verb to be because in arabic we do not have it, #eltchat it really helps
9:43 pm Marisa_C: @Fuertesun We have multilingual classes here for TPs so the Ts have had to really not rely on L1 #ELTchat
9:43 pm fionamau: RT @Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat
9:43 pm Fuertesun: @VictoriaB52 I’m grammar obsessed when I learn a language now #eltchat
9:43 pm cecilialcoelho: @sandymillin Love the idea Sandy… What can u guys suggest I can do to have similar effect? (NNEST teaching in home country)? #ELTchat
9:44 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat – time flies with you all – and I thought this topic was not going to generate many comments! Little did I know…
9:44 pm englishraven: The strategies you can pass on as a language ‘learner’ are often very different from the strategies of the language ‘teacher’ #ELTChat
9:44 pm esolcourses: @Marisa_C @fionamau great plenary by Mark Powell at #BESIG on this – present/past simple make up circa 70% of English usage #eltchat
9:44 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C I did Cert in UK so that was good and used to go back evry summer which helps #ELTchat
9:44 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho I remember saying something in past tense (just a phrase I’d heard) – she told me not to use lang we hadn’t learnt! #ELTchat
9:44 pm cgoodey: @englishraven Yes. Making interactions as genuine and relevant as possible. Good! 🙂 #ELTChat
9:44 pm Fuertesun: RT @DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho I remember saying something in past tense (just a phrase I’d heard) – she told me not to use lang we hadn’t learnt! #ELTchat
9:44 pm englishraven: RT @Fuertesun: @VictoriaB52 I’m grammar obsessed when I learn a language now #eltchat > Is that the teacher experience/effect? 🙂
9:44 pm Mbarek: when comparing l1& l2 we can expect some of the learners potential errors and prepare remedial work #eltchat
9:44 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: The strategies you can pass on as a language ‘learner’ are often very different from the strategies of the language ‘teacher’ #ELTChat
9:45 pm Fuertesun: @englishraven No idea! #eltchat
9:45 pm Marisa_C: @Fuertesun Summer school good for that as long as you don’t end up teaching one nationality – no issue just to keep ur hand in #ELTchat
9:45 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson Not exactly what I’d call a constructive teacher now, was she? #ELTchat
9:45 pm sandymillin: @cecilialcoelho hmm.. that’s harder. #ELTchat Any other common lang’s in class? *looks sheepish*
9:45 pm VictoriaB52: I’m a ‘bad’ learner acc. to all the ELT books. I like to swot on my own til I’m confident enough to speak. Sorry. Just am. #eltchat
9:45 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Not at all – just a bit of devil’s advocate 😉 #ELTchat
9:45 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @esolcourses: RT @ALiCe__M: @sueleather In my eyes, learning a language can have nothing but good effects, teachingwise #eltchat
9:45 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: @fionamau Books make an issue o a lot of things 2 fill up the pages – in my view #ELTchat they do, & make em scary. Viva dogme
9:46 pm sandymillin: @englishraven strategies you can pass on as a language ‘learner’ often very different from strategies of language ‘teacher’ #ELTChat <yes!
9:46 pm esolcourses: RT @VictoriaB52: I’m a ‘bad’ learner acc. to all the ELT books. I like to swot on my own til I’m confident enough to speak #eltchat
9:46 pm DaveDodgson: @VictoriaB52 And it’s important to remind ourselves our students can be like that #ELTchat
9:46 pm cecilialcoelho: @sandymillin Afraid not… Thanks for sympathizing though 🙂 #ELTchat
9:46 pm Marisa_C: @esolcourses I think Mark Powell’s plenary has been recorded and is now available for viewing #besig – anyone have link handy? #eltchat
9:46 pm ALiCe__M: @englishraven Exactement ! but after a while both merge into each other (please correct syntax if necessary!) #eltchat
9:46 pm englishraven: RT @VictoriaB52: I like to swot on my own til I’m confident enough to speak. #eltchat > Doubtless you have learners who are similar!
9:46 pm cecilialcoelho: @VictoriaB52 I also learn differently. Love a good grammar class… #eltchat
9:46 pm sandymillin: RT @cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson Not exactly what I’d call a constructive teacher now, was she? #ELTchat
9:46 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho L?ke I said, I quit after 2 weeks! #ELTchat
9:46 pm englishraven: RT @annapires: Same here! RT @VictoriaB52 #eltchat I also discovered I learn languages differently to how I teach them. I’m still questioning why.
9:46 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @englishraven: The strategies you can pass on as a language ‘learner’ are often very different from the strategies of the language ‘teacher’ #ELTChat
9:47 pm Marisa_C: @englishraven I discovered I was fine as far as speaking listening but when it came to reading my first text oh Boy! #eltchat
9:47 pm sandymillin: @VictoriaB52 #eltchat but still lets you experience what it’s like for learners with similar style to you. Gives thm ‘quiet time’ if thy nd
9:47 pm fionamau: RT @cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson #ELTchat re patronising ;-P, NOT learning local lang & teachg Eng can b seen as imperialistic & patronising
9:47 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson I wonder why u quit after 2 weeks… ;-P (BTW like playing the devil’s advocate too) #ELTchat
9:48 pm englishraven: People are all different and there’s no magic formula for language learning. Important to demonstrate that to learners! #ELTChat
9:48 pm Fuertesun: RT @englishraven: People are all different and there’s no magic formula for language learning. Important to demonstrate that to learners! #ELTChat
9:48 pm englishraven: RT @fionamau: RT @cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson #ELTchat re patronising ;-P, NOT learning local lang & teachg Eng can b seen as imperialistic & patronising
9:48 pm sandymillin: @DaveDodgson L?ke I said, I quit after 2 weeks! #ELTchat < but sure you watched and learnt more things not to do!
9:48 pm VictoriaB52: #eltchat makes one more confident about challenging perceived ‘right and wrong’ ways of teaching.
9:48 pm esolcourses: @Marisa_C yep – Mark Powell’s #BESIG plenary videos here, on Vicky Hollet’s bloghttp://bit.ly/hvO7hH + gr8 post by Vicky, too! #ELTchat
9:48 pm DaveDodgson: @englishraven @annapires @VictoriaB52 Well, I learnt my L2 almost entirely out of the classroom – definitely diff. to how I teach! #ELTchat
9:49 pm cecilialcoelho: @englishraven @Fuertesun @VictoriaB52 Considering I’m equally grammar abscessed I’d say there’s possbility of it Bing T exp/effect #eltchat
9:49 pm Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat
9:49 pm sandymillin: RT @VictoriaB52: #eltchat makes one more confident about challenging perceived ‘right and wrong’ ways of teaching.
9:49 pm Marisa_C: RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C yep – Mark Powell’s #BESIG plenary videos here, http://bit.ly/hvO7hH+ gr8 post by Vicky, too! #ELTchat – THX!!!
9:49 pm englishraven: @DaveDodgson But there will be tidbits and streams that can productively connect the two experiences, right? #ELTChat
9:49 pm englishraven: RT @Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat
9:50 pm Marisa_C: RT @Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat> ..and the lesson in this?
9:50 pm sandymillin: @Mbarek I lspeak 3 lgs other than my L1 and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat <me neither, but still learning! nobody’s perfect!
9:50 pm DaveDodgson: @englishraven Yes – I pass on my vocab learning strategies & self-study ideas to my classes #ELTchat
9:50 pm fionamau: @VictoriaB52 #eltchat – ELT books put too much emphasis on speaker-learners and not enough on listener-learners. shd be remedied.
9:50 pm jbjimenez: RT @DaveDodgson:Well, I learnt my L2 almost entirely out of the classroom – definitely diff. to how I teach! #ELTchat
9:50 pm Fuertesun: RT @Marisa_C: RT @Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat > .. Perfection not imp
9:50 pm cecilialcoelho: @englishraven Agree. It’s more difficult for NNESTs in their own country thou, teaching ppl of same nationality as you #ELTChat
9:50 pm englishraven: 2 dynamics? Lang teacher -> Lang learner // Lang learner -> Lang teacher #ELTChat
9:51 pm cgoodey: Yes! RT @englishraven: Ppl are all different &there’s no magic formula 4 language learning. Important 2 demonstrate that 2 learners #ELTChat
9:51 pm linguaprof: true RT @Mbarek: when comparing l1& l2 we can expect some of the learners potential errors and prepare remedial work #eltchat
9:51 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @VictoriaB52: #eltchat makes one more confident about challenging perceived ‘right and wrong’ ways of teaching. > Soooo agree!
9:51 pm sheepilamb: RT @esolcourses: RT @Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat ] absolutely!
9:51 pm DaveDodgson: @englishraven Also, the general experience of having studied another lang from beginner-advanced level is useful whatever the lang #ELTchat
9:51 pm cgoodey: RT @VictoriaB52: #eltchat makes one more confident about challenging perceived ‘right and wrong’ ways of teaching < Agreed! Very interesting
9:51 pm sandymillin: @DaveDodgson Yes – I pass on my vocab learning strategies & self-study ideas #ELTchat < me 2, lots of varierty as lots of experience!
9:51 pm Mbarek: @Fuertesun just acceptable fluency and accuracy #eltchat
9:51 pm Marisa_C: @Fuertesun @Mbarek #eltchat …empathy ? tolerance of error? more realistic goals for our learners?
9:52 pm sandymillin: RT @Fuertesun: RT @Marisa_C: RT @Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat > .. Perfection not imp
9:52 pm peterjohnfenton: RT @fionamau: ELT books put too much emphasis on speaker-learners and not enough on listener-learners. shd be remedied. #ELTchat – so true!
9:52 pm cecilialcoelho: @englishraven Yes, I think there r 2 dynamics. Being a lang T makes u a diff lang learner and the other way around #ELTChat
9:52 pm Fuertesun: RT @cecilialcoelho: @englishraven Yes, I think there r 2 dynamics. Being a lang T makes u a diff lang learner and the other way around #ELTChat
9:52 pm ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C Who cares about “perfect”? does everyone know every single word in the dictionary? perfection is not life, language is. #eltchat
9:52 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Marisa_C: @Fuertesun @Mbarek #eltchat …empathy ? tolerance of error? more realistic goals for our learners? > All of the above 🙂
9:52 pm cgoodey: It’d be interesting to know how many people feel they learnt more on their own, without a teacher #ELTchat
9:53 pm fionamau: RT @Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat-> I wouldn’t say I’m prefect at my L1!!
9:53 pm esolcourses: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C Who cares about “perfect”? does everyone know every single word in the dictionary? perfection is not life, language is. #eltchat
9:53 pm Mbarek: tha aim should not be to speak like a native speaker but to speak fluently #eltchat
9:53 pm hoprea: Late again…. sigh!!! #ELTChat
9:53 pm englishraven: @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho Right. How I learned an L2 affected my (later) teaching, which in turn affected how I learned an L3! #ELTChat
9:53 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C Who cares about “perfect”? does everyone know every single word in the dictionary? perfection is not life, language is. #eltchat
9:53 pm Fuertesun: @cgoodey learning Spanish YES on my own…. grammar me and my book German with TV #ELTchat
9:53 pm cgoodey: RT @Fuertesun: @cgoodey learning Spanish YES on my own…. grammar me and my book German with TV #ELTchat
9:53 pm Marisa_C: @ALiCe__M Indeed – but some people are fearful of making mistakes – there is a Greek term for it “aphasia lathophobic” … #eltchat
9:54 pm DaveDodgson: @cgoodey I did but I was in a total immersion situation, which obviously changes things #ELTchat
9:54 pm Mbarek: @fionamau not at all 🙂 #eltchat
9:54 pm cecilialcoelho: @ALiCe__M I personally think perfection is an illusion, and even if it existed, it’d be boring as heck 🙂 #eltchat
9:54 pm englishraven: So I recommend an ongoing cycle, I guess… Learn an L2, teach, learn more (or another L2), teach, etc… 🙂 #ELTChat
9:54 pm englishraven: RT @cecilialcoelho: @ALiCe__M I personally think perfection is an illusion, and even if it existed, it’d be boring as heck 🙂 #eltchat
9:54 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho same here (I think!) I also think that learning subsequent languages felt easier #ELTChat
9:54 pm Marisa_C: @hoprea better late than never…. you have about 6 mins left #ELTChat
9:55 pm Fuertesun: @cgoodey I’ve not had German tch since school picked up from partner and TV and 12 yrs exposure still very poor #ELTchat
9:55 pm Marisa_C: RT@cecilialcoelho Right. How I learned an L2 affected my (later) teaching, which in turn affected how I learned an L3! #ELTChat
9:55 pm Mbarek: RT @englishraven: @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho Right. How I learned an L2 affected my (later) teaching, which in turn affected how I learned an L3! #ELTChat
9:55 pm cecilialcoelho: @hoprea Better late than never Rick – Welcome!!! #ELTChat
9:55 pm DahlD: RT @Marisa_C: RT@cecilialcoelho Right. How I learned an L2 affected my (later) teaching, which in turn affected how I learned an L3! #ELTChat
9:55 pm vbenevolofranca: @cgoodey I actually think it depends on learning style. I need a teacher – way I learnt French. Feel lost without one. #ELTchat
9:55 pm cecilialcoelho: @englishraven I like that… always going back to the ST role and so on… #ELTChat
9:55 pm englishraven: AND, this emphasises to me, folks, why it is such a good thing to have our learners ‘teach’ from time to time! #ELTChat
9:56 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat If you were to begin a new language now, what language would you like to learn?
9:56 pm englishraven: RT @vbenevolofranca: @cgoodey I actually think it depends on learning style. I need a teacher – way I learnt French. Feel lost without one. #ELTchat
9:56 pm DahlD: Agreed! RT @englishraven: This emphasises to me, folks, why it is such a good thing to have our learners ‘teach’ from time to time! #ELTChat
9:56 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: AND, this emphasises to me, folks, why it is such a good thing to have our learners ‘teach’ from time to time! #ELTChat
9:56 pm esolcourses: @vbenevolofranca @cgoodey I think it depends on learning style, as well. Love languages, but find grammar a tad dull, tbh 🙂 … #eltchat
9:56 pm Fuertesun: @englishraven oh yes love getting them up at that board.. #ELTChat
9:56 pm Mbarek: @vbenevolofranca natural liguistic environment can be the best teacher #ELTchat
9:56 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C French #ELTchat
9:56 pm Marisa_C: @englishraven Students teaching was how I started this – happy my co-mod is in perfect synch! #ELTChat
9:57 pm lolonagi: @Fuertesun yay French #eltchat
9:57 pm DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho @englishraven Going back to being a student is a good idea – problem is, most of the time you go back as a beginner #ELTchat
9:57 pm cecilialcoelho: @cgoodey I think I learn better w/ a teacher. Feel V insecure of being wrong if I don’t have one to help me #ELTchat
9:57 pm englishraven: @Fuertesun Divide a coursebook unit into parts, have teams teach each part. Wonderful experience! #ELTChat
9:57 pm Marisa_C: RT @cecilialcoelho: @cgoodey I think I learn better w/ a teacher. Feel V insecure of being wrong if I don’t have one to help me #ELTchat
9:57 pm esolcourses: @vbenevolofranca @cgoodey as a learner, much prefer a dogme approach.. which has prob. influenced my teaching style as well #eltchat
9:57 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: @Fuertesun Divide a coursebook unit into parts, have teams teach each part. Wonderful experience! #ELTChat
9:57 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C Yes, unscripted too! Great minds and all that… 🙂 #ELTChat
9:57 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: “aphasia lathophobic” #eltchat >I am in sme languages, but not in others. Why?schizo?or is it the feel of the language?
9:58 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson Being a beginner makes me anxious, I agree. But no other way #ELTchat
9:58 pm Fuertesun: @englishraven nice idea… the other day in secondary had them explaing there is/are to eachother #ELTChat
9:58 pm cgoodey: @vbenevolofranca @ALiCe__M @Fuertesun @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho I think I prefered to have a teacher too, initially anyway #ELTchat
9:58 pm sandymillin: @Marisa_C #eltchat Modern Greek 😉 Or something with a different system…arabic, chinese, korean…
9:58 pm DahlD: Makes us better teachers. RT @cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson Being a beginner makes me anxious, I agree. But no other way #ELTchat
9:59 pm Fuertesun: @englishraven love giving them the mantle and trying to get them responsible for ‘weaker’ ss #ELTChat
9:59 pm DaveDodgson: @cgoodey Depends on the teacher 😉 #ELTchat
9:59 pm Marisa_C: @fionamau Not sure – I have same issue with some, My own theory is that it’s unfamiliar music/tunes till I get it #eltchat
9:59 pm englishraven: @Fuertesun Also helps them to appreciate what you do as a teacher, how difficult it can be, how good at it you are 🙂 #ELTChat
9:59 pm cgoodey: @DaveDodgson Yes! Very true 😉 #ELTchat
9:59 pm englishraven: RT @Fuertesun: @englishraven love giving them the mantle and trying to get them responsible for ‘weaker’ ss #ELTChat
9:59 pm cecilialcoelho: @DahlD Agreed… All experiences make us better teachers because we have the ability to learn from them and use that #ELTchat
10:00 pm Fuertesun: @englishraven hahahha have you read that post! I may nvr live it down #ELTChat
10:00 pm fionamau: RT @vbenevolofranca: I actually think it depends on learning style. #ELTchat totally agree – some are teacher-dependent, some are not.
10:00 pm Marisa_C: @Fuertesun @englishraven #ELTChat There’s been great research on this – Ss helping weaker Ss or of lower levels even
10:00 pm englishraven: Big question I guess… Should a portion of formal ongoing PD involve learning other languages? #ELTChat
10:00 pm DaveDodgson: @englishraven @Fuertesun Interesting in those situations how many students go for a ‘teacher’ fromted lesson! #ELTchat
10:00 pm cecilialcoelho: @englishraven @Fuertesun I personally think I quit French because I thought my teacher came unprepared to class #ELTChat
10:00 pm esolcourses: RT @cecilialcoelho: @DahlD Agreed… All experiences make us better teachers because we have the ability to learn from them and use that #ELTchat
10:01 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C helps them be less competitive about learning if they’re responsible for the grp learning #ELTChat
10:01 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat If you were to begin a new language now, what language would you like to learn? >> me, Portuguese and Arabic
10:01 pm Marisa_C: Thank you all for this great conversation! Thanks for participating in the last #ELTchat for 2010. We take a break next week!
10:01 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: Big question I guess… Should a portion of formal ongoing PD involve learning other languages? #ELTChat [ gets my vote!
10:01 pm cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson @cgoodey It always depends on the T. I think we should consider Ts here the ones who take it seriously 😉 #ELTchat
10:01 pm sandymillin: #eltchat http://bit.ly/gXDUyO < impromptu survey based on our discussion…took me 2 minutes so not complete reliable!
10:01 pm englishraven: Gotta go, folks! Kids in the car waiting for me to take ’em to kinder! Just ducked in to help mi mate @Marisa_C 🙂 #ELTChat
10:01 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: Thank you all for this great conversation! Thanks for participating in the last #ELTchat for 2010. We take a break next week!
10:01 pm Mbarek: i learnt French at school but TV taught me how to use it in communication #eltchat
10:01 pm hoprea: A merry X-mas to all #ELTChat tweeps! 🙂
10:01 pm Fuertesun: @DaveDodgson YES the power… #ELTchat
10:01 pm cecilialcoelho: @englishraven That’s a good question Jason! I think it can’t be mandatory but should be encouraged #ELTChat
10:01 pm fionamau: RT @esolcourses: I think it depends on learning style, as well. Love languages, but find grammar a tad dull, tbh 🙂 … #eltchat
10:01 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Marisa_C: Thank you all for this great conversation! Thanks for participating in the last #ELTchat for 2010. We take a break next week!
10:02 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat – And many many thanks to all those who chipped in @esolcourses, @ceciliacoelho and my co-moderator @englishraven
10:02 pm cecilialcoelho: @englishraven Have a good day Jason! #ELTChat
10:02 pm DaveDodgson: RT @hoprea: A merry X-mas to all #ELTChat tweeps! 🙂 Hear hear!
10:02 pm cgoodey: @esolcourses @vbenevolofranca Again it comes down 2 every1 being different! Need broad understanding of different ways &preferences #eltchat
10:02 pm sandymillin: @cecilialcoelho #eltchat definitely quit one French class as teacher v. bad (& that was b4 my CELTA!), but still learnt French
10:02 pm DahlD: RT @DaveDodgson: RT @hoprea: A merry X-mas to all #ELTChat tweeps! 🙂 Hear hear!
10:03 pm DaveDodgson: @englishraven Great to have our missing mod back! Have a good ‘un #ELTchat
10:03 pm Mbarek: @esolcourses Thank you too #ELTchat
10:03 pm sueleather: @Marisa_C Thanks Marisa and all #eltchat
10:03 pm esolcourses: RT @DaveDodgson: RT @hoprea: A merry X-mas to all #ELTChat tweeps! 🙂 Hear hear! [ thirded! Happy Holidays, everyone!

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