Should ESL teachers learn a second/foreign language? Can this help us to become better teachers?
Transcript for December 22 – 9 p.m. GMT
| 9:00 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to our next topic – please join us for the last #ELTchat of the year |
| 9:00 pm | cecilialcoelho: | #ELTchat for the next half hour my tweets will be dedicated to the last #ELTchat of the year (will have to leave early). |
| 9:00 pm | Marisa_C: | Welcome to our last #ELTchat of 2010 – Is learning a foreign language a good thing for an FL teacher? Does it makes us better teachers? |
| 9:00 pm | vbenevolofranca: | RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat for the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to our next topic – please join us for the last #ELTchat of the year |
| 9:01 pm | lolonagi: | Yes, I think it really helps sometimes english cannot solve all problems #ELTchat |
| 9:01 pm | Marisa_C: | This evening I will be your only moderator – if any of our more seasoned #ELTchat friends wish to lend a helping hand I will be grateful |
| 9:02 pm | sandymillin: | @Marisa_C Yes – we remember what it’s like to not understand, not know, not be able to say what we want #eltchat |
| 9:02 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C Yes – we remember what it’s like to not understand, not know, not be able to say what we want #eltchat |
| 9:02 pm | seburnt: | If nothing else, it grants us some empathy for our students learning situation. #ELTchat |
| 9:02 pm | Marisa_C: | Is this tru of both NEST’s and NNEST’s ? #ELTchat |
| 9:02 pm | cecilialcoelho: | As a NNEST who Cs benefits in being such when Tching a English, I think every ELT teacher would benefit from learning another lang #ELTchat |
| 9:03 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @Marisa_C: Is this tru of both NEST’s and NNEST’s ? #ELTchat |
| 9:03 pm | esolcourses: | @Marisa_C how many hands would you like to borrow? 😉 #ELTchat |
| 9:03 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @seburnt: If nothing else, it grants us some empathy for our students learning situation. #ELTchat |
| 9:03 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @cecilialcoelho: As a NNEST who Cs benefits in being such when Tching a English, I think every ELT T would benefit from this #ELTchat |
| 9:03 pm | lolonagi: | RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C how many hands would you like to borrow? 😉 #ELTchathehehehhehe |
| 9:03 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C how many hands would you like to borrow? 😉 #ELTchat > Am here if you need 😉 |
| 9:03 pm | Marisa_C: | @esolcourses I want your hands… Was hoping you would offer at least one 😀 #ELTchat |
| 9:04 pm | Marisa_C: | @cecilialcoelho Great ! Thanks – lovely! #ELTchat |
| 9:04 pm | vbenevolofranca: | Yes, I tend to think it does help – we get in touch with some of the difficulties involved when learning a new language.#ELTchat |
| 9:04 pm | esolcourses: | @Marisa_C my pleasure – happy to help out 😀 #ELTchat |
| 9:04 pm | sandymillin: | #ELTchat think it’s true for everyone – many NNESTs learnt Eng a while ago, so it’s a memory – good 2 do 1 lesson + every couple of years |
| 9:04 pm | cecilialcoelho: | Learning any lang put u in the STs’ shoes and makes you relate better to what / how they feel #ELTchat |
| 9:04 pm | seburnt: | Other languages also give Ts insight into common errors, social ideology and language structure. #ELTchat |
| 9:04 pm | esolcourses: | RT @Marisa_C: RT @cecilialcoelho: As a NNEST who Cs benefits in being such when Tching a English, I think every ELT T would benefit from this #ELTchat |
| 9:05 pm | Marisa_C: | #ELTchat If you are new to this chat ask me @Marisa_C or @esolcourses of @cecilialcoelho for help – thanks ladies! |
| 9:05 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @Marisa_C Always glad to help 😉 #ELTchat |
| 9:05 pm | sandymillin: | @seburnt #eltchat insight into common errors <- yes, helps you understand WHY SS making certain errors, not just that it’s common |
| 9:06 pm | Blog4Edu: | via @DaveDodgson Merry Christmas from the 2 Newest Internet Music Sensations – English Raven & The Brig… http://bit.ly/hxDS69 #ELTChat |
| 9:06 pm | DaveDodgson: | New blog post: Merry Christmas from the 2 Newest Internet Music Sensations – English Raven & The Bright… http://bit.ly/hxDS69 #ELTchat |
| 9:06 pm | cecilialcoelho: | Do you think the language chosen to learn matters? #ELTchat |
| 9:06 pm | Marisa_C: | As a NNEST I can’t remember what it was like to be a beginner – I learnt as a child. #ELTchat so my beginner Turkish course was invaluable |
| 9:06 pm | esolcourses: | If you are new to #ELtchat ask me @esolcourses or @Marisa_C or @cecilialcoelho for help |
| 9:07 pm | sandymillin: | @cecilialcoelho #eltchat think it’s useful to learn ur SS language in monolingual class – helps you see their errors |
| 9:07 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @Marisa_C I had the same experience Marisa. Learned Eng V young, going back for Spanish and French took me back #ELTchat |
| 9:07 pm | seburnt: | Oops, forgot hashtag. @cecilialcoelho If your class is homogeneous, it’s probably good to start with your Ss language. #ELTchat |
| 9:07 pm | peterjohnfenton: | RT @cecilialcoelho: Learning any lang put u in the STs’ shoes and makes you relate better to how they feel #ELTchat agreed empathy is key! |
| 9:08 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @cecilialcoelho: Do you think the language chosen to learn matters? #ELTchat > No I don’t – but it’s good if distant to ur L1 or L2 |
| 9:08 pm | sandymillin: | @cecilialcoelho #eltchat but if multiling / u know lang already, just being a language learner helps regardless of which lang. |
| 9:08 pm | Marisa_C: | Who would like to learn some Modern Greek? #ELTchat |
| 9:08 pm | Fuertesun: | Hi everyone whats’s the topic? #eltchat |
| 9:08 pm | esolcourses: | To be honest, I’m not sure I’ve met anyone who works in ELT who doesn’t speak a second language… would have thought it a given? #eltchat |
| 9:08 pm | cecilialcoelho: | I agree with @seburnt and @sandymillin that if u have a monoligual group it’s good to know their lang. #ELTchat |
| 9:09 pm | sandymillin: | @Marisa_C @cecilialcoelho #eltchat distant to L1 / L2 good – gives you new perspective |
| 9:09 pm | esolcourses: | RT @cecilialcoelho: Learning any lang put u in the STs’ shoes and makes you relate better to what / how they feel #ELTchat |
| 9:09 pm | fionamau: | RT @peterjohnfenton: Learning any lang put u in the STs’ shoes and makes you relate better to how they feel #ELTchat agreed empathy is key! |
| 9:09 pm | Marisa_C: | @esolcourses I know many L1 Ts who don’t speak any language other than English and the Grammar of French or German etc maybe #eltchat |
| 9:09 pm | DaveDodgson: | I’m still awake so I may as well join #ELTchat 🙂 |
| 9:09 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @Fuertesun topic is “is it a good idea for ESL/EFL Ts to learn a foreign Language?”#eltchat |
| 9:09 pm | sandymillin: | @Marisa_C #eltchat did learn Modern Greek for a year. First new alphabet – appreciated new challenge, but then, I love languages! |
| 9:09 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C @cecilialcoelho #eltchat distant to L1 / L2 good – gives you new perspective – indeed! |
| 9:09 pm | Fuertesun: | @cecilialcoelho thanks #eltchat |
| 9:09 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson Great idea Dave… u have vaulable opinions to give – I know 😉 #ELTchat |
| 9:10 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @Fuertesun : -))) YW Leahn #eltchat |
| 9:10 pm | seburnt: | I’ve learned bits and pieces of several languages, but I’m nowhere near able to hold a conversation in any of them. #ELTchat |
| 9:10 pm | vbenevolofranca: | Think it is true for NNESTs & non NNESTs it gives us insight into the cognitive aspect of the learning & teaching of a FL. #ELTchat |
| 9:10 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho @seburnt @sandymillin Not so sure. I knew many typicla Turkish student errors before I ever knew Turkish! #ELTchat |
| 9:10 pm | Marisa_C: | #ELTchat @DaveDodgson many NNESTs have a very expat/colonial attitude to learning languages in countries they teach |
| 9:11 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat @DaveDodgson many NNESTs have a very expat/colonial attitude to learning languages in countries they teach |
| 9:11 pm | cecilialcoelho: | We had a NEST come spend a year here and she never learned any Portuguese – never showed any interest. #ELTChat |
| 9:11 pm | fionamau: | RT @vbenevolofranca: it gives us insight into the cognitive aspect of the learning & teaching of FL. #ELTchat >also affective eg frustration |
| 9:11 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @cecilialcoelho: We had a NEST come spend a year here and she never learned any Portuguese – never showed any interest. #ELTChat |
| 9:11 pm | lolonagi: | we do not have to speak the language to know the structure, I mean thorough search would do the trick to know the mistakes of ss #eltchat |
| 9:11 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @cecilialcoelho: We had a NEST come spend a year here and she never learned any Portuguese – never showed any interest. #ELTChat shame |
| 9:12 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson You may have known (or predict) the mistakes before u learned, but did you understand why? #ELTchat |
| 9:12 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat Especially good for fresh-off-CELTA teachers who really can’t remember / don’t know what it’s like for SS (reduces TTT!?) |
| 9:12 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @fionamau: RT @vbenevolofranca: it gives us insight into the cognitive aspect of the learning & teaching of FL. #ELTchat >also affective eg frustration |
| 9:12 pm | esolcourses: | RT @fionamau: RT @vbenevolofranca: it gives us insight into the cognitive aspect of the learning & teaching of FL. #ELTchat >also affective eg frustration |
| 9:12 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @Fuertesun Completely agree… Why come to a different country if not to experience the culture, right? #ELTChat |
| 9:12 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @fionamau: RT @vbenevolofranca: it gives us insight into the cognitive aspect of the learning & teaching of FL. #ELTchat >also affective eg frustration |
| 9:12 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho The problem there is, you teach English, your social contacts speak English/want to speak English… #ELTchat |
| 9:12 pm | sandymillin: | @DaveDodgson #eltchat Not vital to know L1 to recognise SS errors, but helps you see more and get into intricacies? |
| 9:13 pm | johnsonmaryj: | When I study Italian in Italy w/ students from all over world, I experience (as a learner) techniques of #eltchat teachers. So useful. |
| 9:13 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho …mkaes it difficult to learn. Plus if you think ‘just a year’ there’s little motivation #ELTchat |
| 9:13 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho The problem there is, you teach English, your social contacts speak English/want to speak English… #ELTchat |
| 9:13 pm | sandymillin: | @Marisa_C @DaveDodgson #eltchat expat attitude < I agree. I teach in Czech Rep, and most of my colleagues don’t understand why I learn Cz |
| 9:13 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Especially good for fresh-off-CELTA teachers > Especially for those > We teach them a foreign language for a bit |
| 9:13 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson I see your point Dave… It happens here too – Everyone wants to speak Eng to NESTs. I make a conscious effort not to #ELTchat |
| 9:13 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho Yes, I would notice a certain error, other s would tell me “that’s because in Turkish…” #ELTchat |
| 9:14 pm | fionamau: | RT @lolonagi – #eltchat bt ‘walk the talk’ is always gd philosophy.makes fr better dynamic if sts feel they can teach u 2, swap idioms etc |
| 9:14 pm | Marisa_C: | @sandymillin A very limited attitude I find #eltchat |
| 9:15 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson I disagree when u say just a year = little motivation Dave. Time shouldn’t be relevant. Then why go 2 a diff country? #ELTchat |
| 9:15 pm | DaveDodgson: | @seburnt @cecilialcoelho Same when I 1st came to Turkey – little reason to go beyond asking for things in the supermarket! #ELTchat |
| 9:15 pm | Fuertesun: | @cecilialcoelho I live on tourist island evryone wants to practice their Eng here too!@cecilialcoelho#ELTchat |
| 9:15 pm | vbenevolofranca: | RT @cecilialcoelho Had a NEST spend a yr here.she never learned any Portuguese-… #ELTChat> Like to think this is an exception to the rule. |
| 9:15 pm | esolcourses: | @ALiCe__M @Marisa_C @sandymillin @DaveDodgson @seburnt find that a bit surprising… wd think it must put them at a disadvantage #ELTchat |
| 9:15 pm | Marisa_C: | @sandymillin I teach them a few lessons in the very basic Turkish I have 🙂 #ELTchat |
| 9:16 pm | Fuertesun: | @cecilialcoelho I agree was in Thailand for year and I tried! #ELTchat |
| 9:16 pm | sandymillin: | @Marisa_C A very limited attitude I find #eltchat < definitely. But it’s the ‘only a year’ syndrome (& after 5 years, still same opinion) |
| 9:16 pm | fionamau: | #eltchat quite useful to study an L2 with a BAD teacher, and note why things don’t work – then reflect on own teaching. |
| 9:16 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @vbenevolofranca Me too Valeria… And think it is, for we had much more examples of the opposite #ELTChat |
| 9:16 pm | sueleather: | @Marisa_C I don’t see how it could possibly be a bad thing…? #eltchat |
| 9:16 pm | Fuertesun: | @fionamau that’s an idea #eltchat |
| 9:16 pm | Marisa_C: | #ELTchat I think I must try and get our LEARNERS to teach the CELTA teachers a little of THEIR lang – what do you think? |
| 9:17 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho For cheap beer and travel of course :p #ELTchat |
| 9:17 pm | lolonagi: | RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat I think I must try and get our LEARNERS to teach the CELTA teachers a little of THEIR lang – what do you think? |
| 9:17 pm | Fuertesun: | @Marisa_C great idea#ELTchat #ELTchat |
| 9:17 pm | Marisa_C: | @DaveDodgson Awwww how cynical – how true … #ELTchat |
| 9:17 pm | sandymillin: | @fionamau #eltchat definitely! > study with BAD teacher…but oh, so depressing! |
| 9:17 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @ALiCe__M I agree w/ u there Alice… It shows everyone is a learner in one way or another, & all learners go thru the same process #ELTChat |
| 9:17 pm | AlexandraKouk: | #eltchat Hi all! I have a NEST friend – english teacher – in Greece for 25 years, hardly speaks any Greek!!! |
| 9:18 pm | Marisa_C: | @sueleather Hi Sue! Great to see you here – jump in! Of course it couldn’t – everyone agreeing so far #eltchat |
| 9:18 pm | DaveDodgson: | @Marisa_C Good idea – would be interesting to see if the learners adopt the methods they say they like or not 😉 #ELTchat |
| 9:18 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @Marisa_C: @DaveDodgson Awwww how cynical – how true … #ELTchat > Certainly can be true about Brazil 😉 |
| 9:18 pm | peterjohnfenton: | @Marisa_C Sounds like a great idea. In my Trinity TESOL, 2nd lang lessons were compulsory – I learnt a little Czech #eltchat |
| 9:18 pm | esolcourses: | @vbenevolofranca @Fuertesun @cecilialcoelho even if I’m only going on holiday I try! big part of experiencing other cultures, IMO #ELTchat |
| 9:18 pm | johnsonmaryj: | Even when I study a new lng with a good teacher, I want to show them all the cool technology tools for learning. #eltchat |
| 9:18 pm | Marisa_C: | @DaveDodgson Our learners are getting better at assessing the celta trainees than us, the tutors…. 😀 #ELTchat |
| 9:19 pm | cgoodey: | RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat I think I must try & get our LEARNERS to teach CELTA teachers a little of THEIR lang – what do u think? < good idea! |
| 9:19 pm | ALiCe__M: | @Marisa_C I think it’s an excellent idea, the most important part would befeedback, I reckon. #eltchat |
| 9:19 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @Marisa_C Fabulous idea Marisa!!!! #ELTchat |
| 9:19 pm | Marisa_C: | @cgoodey THanks! WHo cares what methods the learners use! #ELTchat |
| 9:19 pm | Larryferlazzo: | RT @Marisa_C: @cgoodey THanks! WHo cares what methods the learners use! #ELTchat |
| 9:19 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I think it’s an excellent idea, the most important part would befeedback, I reckon. #eltchat |
| 9:19 pm | sandymillin: | @Marisa_C @sueleather #eltchat if everyone’s agreeing, we’re the converted. How do we persuade the language-shy? (as multilingual obsessive) |
| 9:20 pm | esolcourses: | RT @Marisa_C #ELTchat I think I must try & get LEARNERS to teach the CELTA teachers a little of THEIR lang – what do you think? Gr8 idea! |
| 9:20 pm | sandymillin: | RT @cgoodey: RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat I think I must try & get our LEARNERS to teach CELTA teachers a little of THEIR lang – what do u think? < good idea! |
| 9:20 pm | fionamau: | RT @Fuertesun #eltchat my dad failed 2 learn Spanish fr 3 yrs w teacher; his experience v helpful fr my teaching.Now he uses Aguila Roja 😉 |
| 9:20 pm | seburnt: | I was in Korea for 6 years & never met a career EFL teacher. Every1 was there 4 various reasons; none were to teach EFL 4ever. #ELTchat |
| 9:20 pm | cgoodey: | @Marisa_C Exactly! Might learn new ways of teaching!! #ELTchat |
| 9:20 pm | DaveDodgson: | @Marisa_C Student assessment of trainees is a great idea – highly relevant, isn’t it? #ELTchat |
| 9:20 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C Student assessment of trainees is a great idea – highly relevant, isn’t it? #ELTchat > Absolutely! I always ask |
| 9:21 pm | Marisa_C: | @DaveDodgson and moreover they ALWAYS know! all the grades.. #ELTchat |
| 9:21 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @esolcourses @vbenevolofranca @Fuertesun Me too Sue! But is it natural 4 us – being Ts certainly shows a liking for langs #ELTchat |
| 9:21 pm | ALiCe__M: | @Marisa_C @cgoodey might also give teachers an insight to the way learners see “good teaching” #eltchat |
| 9:22 pm | seburnt: | Now, it’s a matter of time–Does learning another language outweigh blogging, prep and other extracurricular teacher stuff? #ELTchat |
| 9:22 pm | sueleather: | I suppose an interesting question might be if one could actually prove that teaching improves if you learn a language yourself. #eltchat |
| 9:22 pm | DaveDodgson: | I think learning a 2nd language is useful to remember what’s it’s like to be a learner more than for understanding students’ errors #ELTchat |
| 9:22 pm | esolcourses: | @cecilialcoelho @vbenevolofranca @Fuertesun had assumed it was a natural, but from what others have said, possibly not #ELTchat |
| 9:22 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @seburnt It’s not uncommon in Brazil – tho bigger, more serious schools are a bit different. Many former exchange STs as Eng Ts. #ELTChat |
| 9:22 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @DaveDodgson: I think learning a 2nd language is useful to remember what’s it’s like to be a learner more than for understanding students’ errors #ELTchat |
| 9:22 pm | cgoodey: | RT @DaveDodgson: I think learning a 2nd language is useful to remember what’s it’s like to be a learner more than for understanding students’ errors #ELTchat |
| 9:22 pm | sandymillin: | @cecilialcoelho #eltchat depends on if you’re career teacher or just doing it because you don’t know what else to do :s |
| 9:22 pm | esolcourses: | RT @sueleather: interesting question might be if one could actually prove that teaching improves if you learn a language yourself. #eltchat |
| 9:22 pm | fionamau: | RT @cecilialcoelho: But is it natural 4 us – being Ts certainly shows a liking for langs #ELTchat >> make that ‘being dedicated teachers’ |
| 9:23 pm | sueleather: | As opposed to,say, learning a new skill like skiing or tai chi. #eltchat |
| 9:23 pm | Marisa_C: | @sueleather I think we really don’t have any serious research to back this up with – does anyone know of any? #eltchat |
| 9:23 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @fionamau Ok 🙂 Dedicated, passionate, career ETL teachers 🙂 #ELTchat |
| 9:23 pm | sandymillin: | @seburnt #eltchat good point, but one hour once a month just for tasters, or trying to use odd phrases outside school takes little time |
| 9:23 pm | esolcourses: | @sueleather I’d say learning languages as an adult & discovering what works 4 me has given me strategies I wouldn’t otherwise have #ELTchat |
| 9:24 pm | AlexandraKouk: | @DaveDodgson #eltchat Absolutely agree |
| 9:24 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @sandymillin Agreed Sandy… or maybe just making a few quick (easy) bucks while can’t find a job u want #eltchat |
| 9:24 pm | pdguymikeg: | RT @esolcourses: RT @cecilialcoelho: Learning any lang put u in the STs’ shoes and makes you relate better to what / how they feel #ELTchat |
| 9:24 pm | fionamau: | RT @DaveDodgson: useful 2remember what it’s like 2 b a learner #ELTchat > exactly. it’s the affective bit, being aware of how HARD it can be |
| 9:24 pm | sueleather: | @Marisa_C Yes.. the research would be interesting- and probably not very convincing:) #eltchat |
| 9:25 pm | sandymillin: | @esolcourses @sueleather & learning languages in diff ways – 2 at school, 1 at uni, 1 in country, 1 with friend – all diff. methods #eltchat |
| 9:25 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @seburnt Ouch!!! Right on where it hurts Tyson! So so true… I think part of my insomnia comes from trying to do it all #ELTchat |
| 9:25 pm | johnsonmaryj: | Agree with @DaveDodgson. Learning another lng builds empathy, not just teaching strategies. #eltchat |
| 9:25 pm | fionamau: | RT @cecilialcoelho: @fionamau Ok 🙂 Dedicated, passionate, career ETL teachers 🙂 #ELTchat – claro and of course :-)) |
| 9:25 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson I think both reasons are equally valid Dave. Reminds you of both sides #ELTchat |
| 9:25 pm | sueleather: | @esolcourses I agree…but it’s all quite anecdotal isn’t it? Not that there’s anything wrong with that:) #eltchat |
| 9:25 pm | Marisa_C: | @sueleather Cambridge might be able to do it – there are high Nos of celta’s every year – q-aire they complete could include this #eltchat |
| 9:26 pm | esolcourses: | RT @sandymillin: @esolcourses @sueleather & learning languages in diff ways – 2 at school, 1 at uni, 1 in country, 1 with friend – all diff. methods #eltchat |
| 9:26 pm | Marisa_C: | #ELTchat – There is a research hypothesis here for anyone interested in pursuing this …. |
| 9:26 pm | vbenevolofranca: | RT @esolcourses: @sueleather I’d say learning languages as an adult & discovering what works 4 me has given me strategies I wouldn’t otherwise have #ELTchat |
| 9:26 pm | sueleather: | @Marisa_C Good idea. At least you could get some qualitative data. #eltchat |
| 9:27 pm | esolcourses: | @sueleather agree… although in theory I suppose it would be possible to research it #ELTchat |
| 9:27 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat and the time thing is sth our SS can deal with (job, family, hobbies, studies, sleep and English!), so we should too |
| 9:27 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho I’m not convinced by the ‘know their L1 influenced errors’ arguement …. #ELTchat |
| 9:27 pm | seburnt: | @sandymillin I’d rarely have opp to use a FL outside of school in Toronto, which may be multicultural, but who speaks what? #ELTchat |
| 9:27 pm | lolonagi: | @Marisa_C I think this a very interesting area that lack research #eltchat |
| 9:27 pm | Marisa_C: | Whoa! Am thankful for @esolcourses and @ceciliacoelho … not catching up with all your comments!!! #ELTchat |
| 9:27 pm | cecilialcoelho: | Do you, as a lang teacher feel awkward being back in the role of the ST? Assess yr T’s technique differently? That happened to me. #ELTChat |
| 9:27 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho … Natural Order Hypothesis suggests the pattern of learning is largely the same regardless of the students’ L1 #ELTchat |
| 9:27 pm | fionamau: | @sandymillin #eltchat not just career teachers; depends on attitude 2 ‘foreigners’ eg Brits who spend life criticising Spain n work here… |
| 9:28 pm | Fuertesun: | @cecilialcoelho I feel frustrated learning German.. #ELTChat |
| 9:28 pm | esolcourses: | RT @DaveDodgson: I think learning a 2nd language is useful to remember what’s it’s like to be a learner more than for understanding students’ errors #ELTchat |
| 9:28 pm | cybraryman1: | My Foreign Language pages: http://bit.ly/27FSD #eltchat |
| 9:28 pm | Marisa_C: | @sueleather …. to correlate with their grades possibly…? #eltchat |
| 9:28 pm | Fuertesun: | @cecilialcoelho I like being the student #ELTChat |
| 9:28 pm | sandymillin: | @seburnt #eltchat OK, that was from my living in country mindset 😉 although there must be someone (found French spkr here after 2.5 years!) |
| 9:28 pm | cybraryman1: | @Fuertesun I have some German links on my FL page: http://bit.ly/7mBkTo #eltchat |
| 9:28 pm | seburnt: | @cecilialcoelho True. We all could be learning other languages right now instead of tweeting. 😉 #ELTchat |
| 9:28 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho Not sure – I learned Turkish without a teacher! #ELTchat |
| 9:28 pm | Marisa_C: | #ELTchat Who would like to take part in a beginner Modern Greek course online? |
| 9:29 pm | Fuertesun: | @cybraryman1 thanks #eltchat |
| 9:29 pm | sandymillin: | @Fuertesun @cecilialcoelho I like being the student #ELTChat < me too! Love it 🙂 |
| 9:29 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson How can u not be convinced by that argument? I think it makes perfect sense. #ELTchat |
| 9:29 pm | Mbarek: | Hi all , great discussion going on #Eltchat |
| 9:29 pm | peterjohnfenton: | I think Dornyei wrote that having a good model (i.e. teacher learning a 2nd language) can help improve motivation in learners #ELTchat |
| 9:29 pm | Marisa_C: | @Mbarek Hi and welcome! #Eltchat |
| 9:29 pm | Fuertesun: | @cybraryman1 have a German partner and German TV! but need to learn the grammar #eltchat |
| 9:29 pm | cgoodey: | Our experiences of learning L2s will b different from our learners so important not 2 make assumptions about their learning… #eltchat |
| 9:29 pm | sandymillin: | @Marisa_C #ELTChat sounds good |
| 9:29 pm | Mbarek: | @Marisa_C Hi Marisa , glad to see u here #Eltchat |
| 9:30 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @peterjohnfenton: I think Dornyei wrote that having a good model (i.e.T learning an L2) can help improve motivation in learners #ELTchat |
| 9:30 pm | Marisa_C: | @annapires #ELTchat am counting you in! |
| 9:30 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @sandymillin @Fuertesun Don’t get me wrong, I like being a ST bt had a harder time Bing a lang ST again, after Tching Eng 4 so long #ELTChat |
| 9:30 pm | sandymillin: | @peterjohnfenton #ELTChat my SS often say they like my lessons because they know I understand. Always tell them in lesson 1 tht I spk 4 lngs |
| 9:30 pm | Fuertesun: | @Marisa_C Very diff I lived on the Peoploneese six months only remmeber a parot’s claw ! #ELTchat |
| 9:31 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho Students around the world find the same things difficult whatever their L1 is. L1 influenced errors are minor and.. #ELTchat |
| 9:31 pm | seburnt: | @sandymillin That’s right. My L2 doesn’t have to be a practical choice, I suppose. #ELTchat |
| 9:31 pm | esolcourses: | @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho I’ve learnt languages without a teacher, but I think need to be very motivated to do it successfully #eltchat |
| 9:31 pm | Fuertesun: | @cecilialcoelho yes more crtitical? #ELTChat |
| 9:31 pm | Marisa_C: | @Fuertesun I don’t even know what that is in my own language! He he #ELTchat |
| 9:31 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho ..quite easily resolved in my experience #ELTchat |
| 9:31 pm | VictoriaB52: | #eltchat a most valuable teaching lesson was when I sat through a Vietnamese listening lesson for an hour…unable to hear different tones |
| 9:31 pm | Mbarek: | RT @esolcourses: @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho I’ve learnt languages without a teacher, but I think need to be very motivated to do it successfully #eltchat |
| 9:31 pm | Fuertesun: | @Marisa_C What about a ferret’s toe? #ELTchat |
| 9:32 pm | peterjohnfenton: | @sandymillin good idea! If teacher can do it, why can’t I? #ELTchat |
| 9:32 pm | seburnt: | @cecilialcoelho @sandymillin @Fuertesun I’m sure I’d evaluate my T’s teaching style and activity choices. LOL #ELTchat |
| 9:32 pm | Mbarek: | @esolcourses Absolutely , it’s all about motivation #eltchat |
| 9:32 pm | Marisa_C: | @Fuertesun #ELTchat u gotta be kidding me … lol |
| 9:32 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson Strongly disagree there Dave… You have your pool of common mistakes all around, but you also have V specific … #ELTchat |
| 9:32 pm | sandymillin: | @cgoodey #ELTChat all learners’ experiences are diff, so helps us to appreciate that more -can plan 1 lesson for all, but to get it is diff. |
| 9:32 pm | lolonagi: | @esolcourses do agree about motivation #eltchat |
| 9:33 pm | fionamau: | RT @peterjohnfenton: Dornyei:teacher learning a 2nd lang can improve motivatn in learners #ELTchat> changes perceived roles, same boat feel |
| 9:33 pm | Fuertesun: | @seburnt Can you imagine! just finished a com comp course with 15 teachers imagine what they were saying after class LOL #ELTchat |
| 9:33 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson …. repetitive mistakes by STs of specific L1s. And not only in pronunciation, but grammar, vocab… #ELTchat |
| 9:33 pm | esolcourses: | @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho not sure I agree with you on that, Dave – particularly where pronunciation is concerned #eltchat |
| 9:33 pm | vbenevolofranca: | RT@Marisa_C: #ELTchat Who would like to take part in beginner Modern Greek course online?>would be gr8: different alphabet & new phonology! |
| 9:33 pm | Fuertesun: | @Marisa_C I still remember….it was a5 years ago! #ELTchat |
| 9:34 pm | DaveDodgson: | Wait! I did have a 4 week Turkish course – teacher hell-bent on grammar & explained everything in English! I quit after 2 weeks 😉 #ELTchat |
| 9:34 pm | Marisa_C: | In my school my trainees have to do teaching practice with real beginners – V. difficult to teach without understanding & empathy #ELTchat |
| 9:34 pm | Fuertesun: | @VictoriaB52 YES I’m tone deaf it Thailand was a nightmare #eltchat |
| 9:34 pm | esolcourses: | @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho having a non-western L1 alphabet is another issue #eltchat |
| 9:34 pm | cgoodey: | Aah! Not easy to keep up!! #eltchat |
| 9:34 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @seburnt @sandymillin @Fuertesun LOL! Exactly what happened to me! Always caught myself thinking (why didn’t she do it like that?)#ELTchat |
| 9:34 pm | Marisa_C: | #ELTchat I think it is the low level learners who benefit from this even more |
| 9:34 pm | sandymillin: | @cecilialcoelho @Fuertesun #ELTChat know what you mean about frustration, but maybe we could share what we know (like @Marisa_C‘s Greek) |
| 9:35 pm | Marisa_C: | @cgoodey I’m following ya! #eltchat |
| 9:35 pm | sueleather: | A danger is that a teacher who’s a good language learner still can’t understand the problems of learners who are more challenged. #eltchat |
| 9:35 pm | Fuertesun: | @cecilialcoelho Can you imagine all the crtiiques good job got thick skin #ELTchat |
| 9:35 pm | cgoodey: | @Marisa_C 🙂 #eltchat |
| 9:35 pm | esolcourses: | RT @sueleather: A danger is that a teacher who’s a good language learner still can’t understand the problems of learners who are more challenged. #eltchat |
| 9:35 pm | cgoodey: | RT @sueleather: A danger is that a teacher who’s a good language learner still can’t understand the problems of learners who are more challenged. #eltchat |
| 9:35 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @sueleather: A danger: a T who’s a good lang Learner still can’t understand the problems of learners who are more challenged. #eltchat |
| 9:35 pm | vbenevolofranca: | RT @cgoodey: Our experiences learning L2s different from our learners important not 2 make assumptions about their learning.. #eltchat> True |
| 9:36 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @Marisa_C: In my school my trainees have to do teaching practice with real beginners – V. difficult to teach without understanding & empathy #ELTchat |
| 9:36 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho but most of those issues are easily resolved. 3rd person present simple singular is not #ELTchat |
| 9:36 pm | flexolern: | RT @ShellTerrell: One way to overcome burnout is to find ways to have fun with lessons! #eltchat<<< true! |
| 9:36 pm | sueleather: | So in fact, in that case, learning a language can have the opposite effect than that desired…. #eltchat |
| 9:36 pm | Marisa_C: | @sueleather Excellent point Sue – but even though I think I am 1 there were still levels of empathy that I would otherwise not have #eltchat |
| 9:36 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @Marisa_C: RT @sueleather: A danger: a T who’s a good lang Learner still can’t understand the problems of learners who are more challenged. #eltchat |
| 9:37 pm | goralkai: | RT @cybraryman1: Administrators should provide more support & help for teachers to combat the stress #eltchat |
| 9:37 pm | ALiCe__M: | @Marisa_C Sure, but this does not rule out the invaluable experience of having been a learner oneself #eltchat |
| 9:37 pm | DaveDodgson: | @esolcourses Again, I think that comes back to pronunciation/accent #ELTchat |
| 9:37 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C Sure, but this does not rule out the invaluable experience of having been a learner oneself #eltchat > Agree fully |
| 9:37 pm | fionamau: | RT @DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho – 3rd person present simple singular is not #ELTchat only important in exams, not in communication…. |
| 9:38 pm | Marisa_C: | @englishraven Welcome my co – moderator! I have had to seek inside help!!! Been on me own 😀 #ELTchat |
| 9:38 pm | Fuertesun: | @cecilialcoelho I nevr got the subjunctive in French #eltchat |
| 9:38 pm | englishraven: | @cecilialcoelho @esolcourses @annapires Whoops! My thoughts just trespassed on #ELTChat ! Not normally about at this time… |
| 9:38 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @Marisa_C I’d love to learn Greek online 🙂 #ELTchat |
| 9:38 pm | englishraven: | @Marisa_C Shall I dive in late and attempt to help out? #ELTChat 🙂 |
| 9:38 pm | Marisa_C: | @cecilialcoelho I’m counting you in too! #ELTchat |
| 9:38 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho Same in Turkey – but I don’t see that as an L1 issue. #ELTchat |
| 9:38 pm | Marisa_C: | @englishraven Yay! #ELTChat |
| 9:39 pm | sandymillin: | @sueleather #ELTChat yes, but as a good language learner, we could share techniques / enthusiasm – gives SS same boat feeling |
| 9:39 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho Learners who have a pres perfect equivalent in their L1 also struggle with it! #ELTchat |
| 9:39 pm | englishraven: | RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C Sure, but this does not rule out the invaluable experience of having been a learner oneself #eltchat |
| 9:39 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho Learners who have a pres perfect equivalent in their L1 also struggle with it! #ELTchat > True |
| 9:39 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @Fuertesun Don’t get me started on French… had great difficulty and little time. Put it on standby for a while 🙁 Miss it #eltchat |
| 9:39 pm | englishraven: | RT @sueleather: So in fact, in that case, learning a language can have the opposite effect than that desired…. #eltchat |
| 9:40 pm | sandymillin: | @cecilialcoelho @Marisa_C I’d love to learn Greek online 🙂 #ELTchat < me too (have a little bit, but not much!) |
| 9:40 pm | Marisa_C: | #ELTchat – if of course a monolingual class this is even more valuable for contrastive analysis and understanding of source of error |
| 9:40 pm | fionamau: | #eltchat – not ‘getting’ subjunctives or prepositions or tones probably helps our teachg! Fewer unreal demands on sts,more realistic aims… |
| 9:40 pm | Marisa_C: | @sandymillin Am counting you in too 😀 #ELTchat |
| 9:40 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @Marisa_C @DaveDodgson Agree, but I can’t believe they struggle as much. I have only taught Brazilians so far though #ELTchat |
| 9:41 pm | sandymillin: | @DaveDodgson #ELTchat but regardless of specifics, all these problems help you remember how hard it is to learn new lang |
| 9:41 pm | Mbarek: | I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat |
| 9:41 pm | VictoriaB52: | #eltchat I found learning Vietnamese nigh on impossible Listening and speaking-wise. Was a great help – esp re teaching listening skills |
| 9:41 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson I think your Turkish course sounds V similar to my French. I think the teacher just didn’t convince me. #ELTchat |
| 9:41 pm | cgoodey: | My exp. of learning langs is that I had 2 get out there & use the language & get lots of exposure. How does that help in classroom? #eltchat |
| 9:41 pm | Marisa_C: | @VictoriaB52 but you tried… #eltchat |
| 9:42 pm | englishraven: | Surely it’s the ‘public effort’ that counts, though… especially when you try the learners own L1? #ELTChat |
| 9:42 pm | sandymillin: | #ELTchat sometimes give SS 5 minutes at end of class to quiz me in Czech to help them see errors don’t matter (esp. reluctant speakers) |
| 9:42 pm | Fuertesun: | @Marisa_C I have real problems when I teach in multi-lingual classes as I rely on my knowledge of Spanish too much #ELTchat |
| 9:42 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat > Completely agree 🙂 |
| 9:42 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho Plus, I don’t need to speak Portuguese to know they don’t use perfect tenses & will find it difficult 😉 #ELTchat |
| 9:42 pm | fionamau: | RT @Marisa_C Learners with a pres perfect equivalent in their L1 also struggle w it! #ELTchat >but bks make an issue of it so it’s scary! |
| 9:42 pm | esolcourses: | RT @Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat ] absolutely! |
| 9:42 pm | ALiCe__M: | @sueleather In my eyes, learning a language can have nothing but good effects, teachingwise #eltchat |
| 9:42 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson Now, now… did I hear a patronizing tone there??? ;-P #ELTchat |
| 9:42 pm | DaveDodgson: | @sandymillin That was my original point! #ELTchat |
| 9:42 pm | Marisa_C: | @fionamau Books make an issue of a lot of things to fill up the pages – in my view #ELTchat |
| 9:42 pm | esolcourses: | RT @ALiCe__M: @sueleather In my eyes, learning a language can have nothing but good effects, teachingwise #eltchat |
| 9:42 pm | englishraven: | @cgoodey Perhaps it helps you find ways to approach or mimic the “getting out there” factor in a classroom? #ELTChat |
| 9:42 pm | VictoriaB52: | #eltchat I also discovered I learn languages differently to how I teach them. I’m still questioning why. |
| 9:43 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @VictoriaB52: #eltchat I also discovered I learn languages differently to how I teach them. I’m still questioning why. |
| 9:43 pm | fionamau: | RT @sandymillin: @DaveDodgson #ELTchat but regardless of specifics, all these problems help you remember how hard it is to learn new lang |
| 9:43 pm | sandymillin: | RT @esolcourses: RT @Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat ] absolutely! |
| 9:43 pm | lolonagi: | @DaveDodgson for example I know that arab ss do not say verb to be because in arabic we do not have it, #eltchat it really helps |
| 9:43 pm | Marisa_C: | @Fuertesun We have multilingual classes here for TPs so the Ts have had to really not rely on L1 #ELTchat |
| 9:43 pm | fionamau: | RT @Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat |
| 9:43 pm | Fuertesun: | @VictoriaB52 I’m grammar obsessed when I learn a language now #eltchat |
| 9:43 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @sandymillin Love the idea Sandy… What can u guys suggest I can do to have similar effect? (NNEST teaching in home country)? #ELTchat |
| 9:44 pm | Marisa_C: | #ELTchat – time flies with you all – and I thought this topic was not going to generate many comments! Little did I know… |
| 9:44 pm | englishraven: | The strategies you can pass on as a language ‘learner’ are often very different from the strategies of the language ‘teacher’ #ELTChat |
| 9:44 pm | esolcourses: | @Marisa_C @fionamau great plenary by Mark Powell at #BESIG on this – present/past simple make up circa 70% of English usage #eltchat |
| 9:44 pm | Fuertesun: | @Marisa_C I did Cert in UK so that was good and used to go back evry summer which helps #ELTchat |
| 9:44 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho I remember saying something in past tense (just a phrase I’d heard) – she told me not to use lang we hadn’t learnt! #ELTchat |
| 9:44 pm | cgoodey: | @englishraven Yes. Making interactions as genuine and relevant as possible. Good! 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 9:44 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @DaveDodgson: @cecilialcoelho I remember saying something in past tense (just a phrase I’d heard) – she told me not to use lang we hadn’t learnt! #ELTchat |
| 9:44 pm | englishraven: | RT @Fuertesun: @VictoriaB52 I’m grammar obsessed when I learn a language now #eltchat > Is that the teacher experience/effect? 🙂 |
| 9:44 pm | Mbarek: | when comparing l1& l2 we can expect some of the learners potential errors and prepare remedial work #eltchat |
| 9:44 pm | esolcourses: | RT @englishraven: The strategies you can pass on as a language ‘learner’ are often very different from the strategies of the language ‘teacher’ #ELTChat |
| 9:45 pm | Fuertesun: | @englishraven No idea! #eltchat |
| 9:45 pm | Marisa_C: | @Fuertesun Summer school good for that as long as you don’t end up teaching one nationality – no issue just to keep ur hand in #ELTchat |
| 9:45 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson Not exactly what I’d call a constructive teacher now, was she? #ELTchat |
| 9:45 pm | sandymillin: | @cecilialcoelho hmm.. that’s harder. #ELTchat Any other common lang’s in class? *looks sheepish* |
| 9:45 pm | VictoriaB52: | I’m a ‘bad’ learner acc. to all the ELT books. I like to swot on my own til I’m confident enough to speak. Sorry. Just am. #eltchat |
| 9:45 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho Not at all – just a bit of devil’s advocate 😉 #ELTchat |
| 9:45 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @esolcourses: RT @ALiCe__M: @sueleather In my eyes, learning a language can have nothing but good effects, teachingwise #eltchat |
| 9:45 pm | fionamau: | RT @Marisa_C: @fionamau Books make an issue o a lot of things 2 fill up the pages – in my view #ELTchat they do, & make em scary. Viva dogme |
| 9:46 pm | sandymillin: | @englishraven strategies you can pass on as a language ‘learner’ often very different from strategies of language ‘teacher’ #ELTChat <yes! |
| 9:46 pm | esolcourses: | RT @VictoriaB52: I’m a ‘bad’ learner acc. to all the ELT books. I like to swot on my own til I’m confident enough to speak #eltchat |
| 9:46 pm | DaveDodgson: | @VictoriaB52 And it’s important to remind ourselves our students can be like that #ELTchat |
| 9:46 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @sandymillin Afraid not… Thanks for sympathizing though 🙂 #ELTchat |
| 9:46 pm | Marisa_C: | @esolcourses I think Mark Powell’s plenary has been recorded and is now available for viewing #besig – anyone have link handy? #eltchat |
| 9:46 pm | ALiCe__M: | @englishraven Exactement ! but after a while both merge into each other (please correct syntax if necessary!) #eltchat |
| 9:46 pm | englishraven: | RT @VictoriaB52: I like to swot on my own til I’m confident enough to speak. #eltchat > Doubtless you have learners who are similar! |
| 9:46 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @VictoriaB52 I also learn differently. Love a good grammar class… #eltchat |
| 9:46 pm | sandymillin: | RT @cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson Not exactly what I’d call a constructive teacher now, was she? #ELTchat |
| 9:46 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho L?ke I said, I quit after 2 weeks! #ELTchat |
| 9:46 pm | englishraven: | RT @annapires: Same here! RT @VictoriaB52 #eltchat I also discovered I learn languages differently to how I teach them. I’m still questioning why. |
| 9:46 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @englishraven: The strategies you can pass on as a language ‘learner’ are often very different from the strategies of the language ‘teacher’ #ELTChat |
| 9:47 pm | Marisa_C: | @englishraven I discovered I was fine as far as speaking listening but when it came to reading my first text oh Boy! #eltchat |
| 9:47 pm | sandymillin: | @VictoriaB52 #eltchat but still lets you experience what it’s like for learners with similar style to you. Gives thm ‘quiet time’ if thy nd |
| 9:47 pm | fionamau: | RT @cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson #ELTchat re patronising ;-P, NOT learning local lang & teachg Eng can b seen as imperialistic & patronising |
| 9:47 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson I wonder why u quit after 2 weeks… ;-P (BTW like playing the devil’s advocate too) #ELTchat |
| 9:48 pm | englishraven: | People are all different and there’s no magic formula for language learning. Important to demonstrate that to learners! #ELTChat |
| 9:48 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @englishraven: People are all different and there’s no magic formula for language learning. Important to demonstrate that to learners! #ELTChat |
| 9:48 pm | englishraven: | RT @fionamau: RT @cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson #ELTchat re patronising ;-P, NOT learning local lang & teachg Eng can b seen as imperialistic & patronising |
| 9:48 pm | sandymillin: | @DaveDodgson L?ke I said, I quit after 2 weeks! #ELTchat < but sure you watched and learnt more things not to do! |
| 9:48 pm | VictoriaB52: | #eltchat makes one more confident about challenging perceived ‘right and wrong’ ways of teaching. |
| 9:48 pm | esolcourses: | @Marisa_C yep – Mark Powell’s #BESIG plenary videos here, on Vicky Hollet’s bloghttp://bit.ly/hvO7hH + gr8 post by Vicky, too! #ELTchat |
| 9:48 pm | DaveDodgson: | @englishraven @annapires @VictoriaB52 Well, I learnt my L2 almost entirely out of the classroom – definitely diff. to how I teach! #ELTchat |
| 9:49 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @englishraven @Fuertesun @VictoriaB52 Considering I’m equally grammar abscessed I’d say there’s possbility of it Bing T exp/effect #eltchat |
| 9:49 pm | Mbarek: | I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat |
| 9:49 pm | sandymillin: | RT @VictoriaB52: #eltchat makes one more confident about challenging perceived ‘right and wrong’ ways of teaching. |
| 9:49 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C yep – Mark Powell’s #BESIG plenary videos here, http://bit.ly/hvO7hH+ gr8 post by Vicky, too! #ELTchat – THX!!! |
| 9:49 pm | englishraven: | @DaveDodgson But there will be tidbits and streams that can productively connect the two experiences, right? #ELTChat |
| 9:49 pm | englishraven: | RT @Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat |
| 9:50 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat> ..and the lesson in this? |
| 9:50 pm | sandymillin: | @Mbarek I lspeak 3 lgs other than my L1 and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat <me neither, but still learning! nobody’s perfect! |
| 9:50 pm | DaveDodgson: | @englishraven Yes – I pass on my vocab learning strategies & self-study ideas to my classes #ELTchat |
| 9:50 pm | fionamau: | @VictoriaB52 #eltchat – ELT books put too much emphasis on speaker-learners and not enough on listener-learners. shd be remedied. |
| 9:50 pm | jbjimenez: | RT @DaveDodgson:Well, I learnt my L2 almost entirely out of the classroom – definitely diff. to how I teach! #ELTchat |
| 9:50 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @Marisa_C: RT @Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat > .. Perfection not imp |
| 9:50 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @englishraven Agree. It’s more difficult for NNESTs in their own country thou, teaching ppl of same nationality as you #ELTChat |
| 9:50 pm | englishraven: | 2 dynamics? Lang teacher -> Lang learner // Lang learner -> Lang teacher #ELTChat |
| 9:51 pm | cgoodey: | Yes! RT @englishraven: Ppl are all different &there’s no magic formula 4 language learning. Important 2 demonstrate that 2 learners #ELTChat |
| 9:51 pm | linguaprof: | true RT @Mbarek: when comparing l1& l2 we can expect some of the learners potential errors and prepare remedial work #eltchat |
| 9:51 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @VictoriaB52: #eltchat makes one more confident about challenging perceived ‘right and wrong’ ways of teaching. > Soooo agree! |
| 9:51 pm | sheepilamb: | RT @esolcourses: RT @Mbarek: I think we should accept errors esp in grammar they are signs of learning .#eltchat ] absolutely! |
| 9:51 pm | DaveDodgson: | @englishraven Also, the general experience of having studied another lang from beginner-advanced level is useful whatever the lang #ELTchat |
| 9:51 pm | cgoodey: | RT @VictoriaB52: #eltchat makes one more confident about challenging perceived ‘right and wrong’ ways of teaching < Agreed! Very interesting |
| 9:51 pm | sandymillin: | @DaveDodgson Yes – I pass on my vocab learning strategies & self-study ideas #ELTchat < me 2, lots of varierty as lots of experience! |
| 9:51 pm | Mbarek: | @Fuertesun just acceptable fluency and accuracy #eltchat |
| 9:51 pm | Marisa_C: | @Fuertesun @Mbarek #eltchat …empathy ? tolerance of error? more realistic goals for our learners? |
| 9:52 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Fuertesun: RT @Marisa_C: RT @Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat > .. Perfection not imp |
| 9:52 pm | peterjohnfenton: | RT @fionamau: ELT books put too much emphasis on speaker-learners and not enough on listener-learners. shd be remedied. #ELTchat – so true! |
| 9:52 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @englishraven Yes, I think there r 2 dynamics. Being a lang T makes u a diff lang learner and the other way around #ELTChat |
| 9:52 pm | Fuertesun: | RT @cecilialcoelho: @englishraven Yes, I think there r 2 dynamics. Being a lang T makes u a diff lang learner and the other way around #ELTChat |
| 9:52 pm | ALiCe__M: | @Marisa_C Who cares about “perfect”? does everyone know every single word in the dictionary? perfection is not life, language is. #eltchat |
| 9:52 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @Marisa_C: @Fuertesun @Mbarek #eltchat …empathy ? tolerance of error? more realistic goals for our learners? > All of the above 🙂 |
| 9:52 pm | cgoodey: | It’d be interesting to know how many people feel they learnt more on their own, without a teacher #ELTchat |
| 9:53 pm | fionamau: | RT @Mbarek: I lspeak 3 lgs other than my mother tongue and I m perfect at none of them 🙁 #eltchat-> I wouldn’t say I’m prefect at my L1!! |
| 9:53 pm | esolcourses: | RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C Who cares about “perfect”? does everyone know every single word in the dictionary? perfection is not life, language is. #eltchat |
| 9:53 pm | Mbarek: | tha aim should not be to speak like a native speaker but to speak fluently #eltchat |
| 9:53 pm | hoprea: | Late again…. sigh!!! #ELTChat |
| 9:53 pm | englishraven: | @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho Right. How I learned an L2 affected my (later) teaching, which in turn affected how I learned an L3! #ELTChat |
| 9:53 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C Who cares about “perfect”? does everyone know every single word in the dictionary? perfection is not life, language is. #eltchat |
| 9:53 pm | Fuertesun: | @cgoodey learning Spanish YES on my own…. grammar me and my book German with TV #ELTchat |
| 9:53 pm | cgoodey: | RT @Fuertesun: @cgoodey learning Spanish YES on my own…. grammar me and my book German with TV #ELTchat |
| 9:53 pm | Marisa_C: | @ALiCe__M Indeed – but some people are fearful of making mistakes – there is a Greek term for it “aphasia lathophobic” … #eltchat |
| 9:54 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cgoodey I did but I was in a total immersion situation, which obviously changes things #ELTchat |
| 9:54 pm | Mbarek: | @fionamau not at all 🙂 #eltchat |
| 9:54 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @ALiCe__M I personally think perfection is an illusion, and even if it existed, it’d be boring as heck 🙂 #eltchat |
| 9:54 pm | englishraven: | So I recommend an ongoing cycle, I guess… Learn an L2, teach, learn more (or another L2), teach, etc… 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 9:54 pm | englishraven: | RT @cecilialcoelho: @ALiCe__M I personally think perfection is an illusion, and even if it existed, it’d be boring as heck 🙂 #eltchat |
| 9:54 pm | esolcourses: | RT @englishraven: @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho same here (I think!) I also think that learning subsequent languages felt easier #ELTChat |
| 9:54 pm | Marisa_C: | @hoprea better late than never…. you have about 6 mins left #ELTChat |
| 9:55 pm | Fuertesun: | @cgoodey I’ve not had German tch since school picked up from partner and TV and 12 yrs exposure still very poor #ELTchat |
| 9:55 pm | Marisa_C: | RT@cecilialcoelho Right. How I learned an L2 affected my (later) teaching, which in turn affected how I learned an L3! #ELTChat |
| 9:55 pm | Mbarek: | RT @englishraven: @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho Right. How I learned an L2 affected my (later) teaching, which in turn affected how I learned an L3! #ELTChat |
| 9:55 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @hoprea Better late than never Rick – Welcome!!! #ELTChat |
| 9:55 pm | DahlD: | RT @Marisa_C: RT@cecilialcoelho Right. How I learned an L2 affected my (later) teaching, which in turn affected how I learned an L3! #ELTChat |
| 9:55 pm | vbenevolofranca: | @cgoodey I actually think it depends on learning style. I need a teacher – way I learnt French. Feel lost without one. #ELTchat |
| 9:55 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @englishraven I like that… always going back to the ST role and so on… #ELTChat |
| 9:55 pm | englishraven: | AND, this emphasises to me, folks, why it is such a good thing to have our learners ‘teach’ from time to time! #ELTChat |
| 9:56 pm | Marisa_C: | #ELTchat If you were to begin a new language now, what language would you like to learn? |
| 9:56 pm | englishraven: | RT @vbenevolofranca: @cgoodey I actually think it depends on learning style. I need a teacher – way I learnt French. Feel lost without one. #ELTchat |
| 9:56 pm | DahlD: | Agreed! RT @englishraven: This emphasises to me, folks, why it is such a good thing to have our learners ‘teach’ from time to time! #ELTChat |
| 9:56 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @englishraven: AND, this emphasises to me, folks, why it is such a good thing to have our learners ‘teach’ from time to time! #ELTChat |
| 9:56 pm | esolcourses: | @vbenevolofranca @cgoodey I think it depends on learning style, as well. Love languages, but find grammar a tad dull, tbh 🙂 … #eltchat |
| 9:56 pm | Fuertesun: | @englishraven oh yes love getting them up at that board.. #ELTChat |
| 9:56 pm | Mbarek: | @vbenevolofranca natural liguistic environment can be the best teacher #ELTchat |
| 9:56 pm | Fuertesun: | @Marisa_C French #ELTchat |
| 9:56 pm | Marisa_C: | @englishraven Students teaching was how I started this – happy my co-mod is in perfect synch! #ELTChat |
| 9:57 pm | lolonagi: | @Fuertesun yay French #eltchat |
| 9:57 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cecilialcoelho @englishraven Going back to being a student is a good idea – problem is, most of the time you go back as a beginner #ELTchat |
| 9:57 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @cgoodey I think I learn better w/ a teacher. Feel V insecure of being wrong if I don’t have one to help me #ELTchat |
| 9:57 pm | englishraven: | @Fuertesun Divide a coursebook unit into parts, have teams teach each part. Wonderful experience! #ELTChat |
| 9:57 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @cecilialcoelho: @cgoodey I think I learn better w/ a teacher. Feel V insecure of being wrong if I don’t have one to help me #ELTchat |
| 9:57 pm | esolcourses: | @vbenevolofranca @cgoodey as a learner, much prefer a dogme approach.. which has prob. influenced my teaching style as well #eltchat |
| 9:57 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @englishraven: @Fuertesun Divide a coursebook unit into parts, have teams teach each part. Wonderful experience! #ELTChat |
| 9:57 pm | englishraven: | @Marisa_C Yes, unscripted too! Great minds and all that… 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 9:57 pm | fionamau: | RT @Marisa_C: “aphasia lathophobic” #eltchat >I am in sme languages, but not in others. Why?schizo?or is it the feel of the language? |
| 9:58 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson Being a beginner makes me anxious, I agree. But no other way #ELTchat |
| 9:58 pm | Fuertesun: | @englishraven nice idea… the other day in secondary had them explaing there is/are to eachother #ELTChat |
| 9:58 pm | cgoodey: | @vbenevolofranca @ALiCe__M @Fuertesun @DaveDodgson @cecilialcoelho I think I prefered to have a teacher too, initially anyway #ELTchat |
| 9:58 pm | sandymillin: | @Marisa_C #eltchat Modern Greek 😉 Or something with a different system…arabic, chinese, korean… |
| 9:58 pm | DahlD: | Makes us better teachers. RT @cecilialcoelho: @DaveDodgson Being a beginner makes me anxious, I agree. But no other way #ELTchat |
| 9:59 pm | Fuertesun: | @englishraven love giving them the mantle and trying to get them responsible for ‘weaker’ ss #ELTChat |
| 9:59 pm | DaveDodgson: | @cgoodey Depends on the teacher 😉 #ELTchat |
| 9:59 pm | Marisa_C: | @fionamau Not sure – I have same issue with some, My own theory is that it’s unfamiliar music/tunes till I get it #eltchat |
| 9:59 pm | englishraven: | @Fuertesun Also helps them to appreciate what you do as a teacher, how difficult it can be, how good at it you are 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 9:59 pm | cgoodey: | @DaveDodgson Yes! Very true 😉 #ELTchat |
| 9:59 pm | englishraven: | RT @Fuertesun: @englishraven love giving them the mantle and trying to get them responsible for ‘weaker’ ss #ELTChat |
| 9:59 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DahlD Agreed… All experiences make us better teachers because we have the ability to learn from them and use that #ELTchat |
| 10:00 pm | Fuertesun: | @englishraven hahahha have you read that post! I may nvr live it down #ELTChat |
| 10:00 pm | fionamau: | RT @vbenevolofranca: I actually think it depends on learning style. #ELTchat totally agree – some are teacher-dependent, some are not. |
| 10:00 pm | Marisa_C: | @Fuertesun @englishraven #ELTChat There’s been great research on this – Ss helping weaker Ss or of lower levels even |
| 10:00 pm | englishraven: | Big question I guess… Should a portion of formal ongoing PD involve learning other languages? #ELTChat |
| 10:00 pm | DaveDodgson: | @englishraven @Fuertesun Interesting in those situations how many students go for a ‘teacher’ fromted lesson! #ELTchat |
| 10:00 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @englishraven @Fuertesun I personally think I quit French because I thought my teacher came unprepared to class #ELTChat |
| 10:00 pm | esolcourses: | RT @cecilialcoelho: @DahlD Agreed… All experiences make us better teachers because we have the ability to learn from them and use that #ELTchat |
| 10:01 pm | Fuertesun: | @Marisa_C helps them be less competitive about learning if they’re responsible for the grp learning #ELTChat |
| 10:01 pm | fionamau: | RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat If you were to begin a new language now, what language would you like to learn? >> me, Portuguese and Arabic |
| 10:01 pm | Marisa_C: | Thank you all for this great conversation! Thanks for participating in the last #ELTchat for 2010. We take a break next week! |
| 10:01 pm | esolcourses: | RT @englishraven: Big question I guess… Should a portion of formal ongoing PD involve learning other languages? #ELTChat [ gets my vote! |
| 10:01 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @DaveDodgson @cgoodey It always depends on the T. I think we should consider Ts here the ones who take it seriously 😉 #ELTchat |
| 10:01 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat http://bit.ly/gXDUyO < impromptu survey based on our discussion…took me 2 minutes so not complete reliable! |
| 10:01 pm | englishraven: | Gotta go, folks! Kids in the car waiting for me to take ’em to kinder! Just ducked in to help mi mate @Marisa_C 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 10:01 pm | esolcourses: | RT @Marisa_C: Thank you all for this great conversation! Thanks for participating in the last #ELTchat for 2010. We take a break next week! |
| 10:01 pm | Mbarek: | i learnt French at school but TV taught me how to use it in communication #eltchat |
| 10:01 pm | hoprea: | A merry X-mas to all #ELTChat tweeps! 🙂 |
| 10:01 pm | Fuertesun: | @DaveDodgson YES the power… #ELTchat |
| 10:01 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @englishraven That’s a good question Jason! I think it can’t be mandatory but should be encouraged #ELTChat |
| 10:01 pm | fionamau: | RT @esolcourses: I think it depends on learning style, as well. Love languages, but find grammar a tad dull, tbh 🙂 … #eltchat |
| 10:01 pm | cecilialcoelho: | RT @Marisa_C: Thank you all for this great conversation! Thanks for participating in the last #ELTchat for 2010. We take a break next week! |
| 10:02 pm | Marisa_C: | #ELTchat – And many many thanks to all those who chipped in @esolcourses, @ceciliacoelho and my co-moderator @englishraven |
| 10:02 pm | cecilialcoelho: | @englishraven Have a good day Jason! #ELTChat |
| 10:02 pm | DaveDodgson: | RT @hoprea: A merry X-mas to all #ELTChat tweeps! 🙂 Hear hear! |
| 10:02 pm | cgoodey: | @esolcourses @vbenevolofranca Again it comes down 2 every1 being different! Need broad understanding of different ways &preferences #eltchat |
| 10:02 pm | sandymillin: | @cecilialcoelho #eltchat definitely quit one French class as teacher v. bad (& that was b4 my CELTA!), but still learnt French |
| 10:02 pm | DahlD: | RT @DaveDodgson: RT @hoprea: A merry X-mas to all #ELTChat tweeps! 🙂 Hear hear! |
| 10:03 pm | DaveDodgson: | @englishraven Great to have our missing mod back! Have a good ‘un #ELTchat |
| 10:03 pm | Mbarek: | @esolcourses Thank you too #ELTchat |
| 10:03 pm | sueleather: | @Marisa_C Thanks Marisa and all #eltchat |
| 10:03 pm | esolcourses: | RT @DaveDodgson: RT @hoprea: A merry X-mas to all #ELTChat tweeps! 🙂 Hear hear! [ thirded! Happy Holidays, everyone! |
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