To Test or not to Test? And if we don’t, what then? – transcript
Transcript for January 19, 2011 12:00 p.m. GMT
| 11:55 am | ShellTerrell: | RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us! |
| 11:55 am | Marisa_C: | RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us! |
| 11:56 am | rliberni: | RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us! |
| 11:56 am | DinaDobrou: | Off to work! Will catch 2nd #ELTchat later tonight, hopefully with a couple of visitors…let’s see…bye all. |
| 11:56 am | janetbianchini: | RT @DinaDobrou This looked clear and succinct: http://bit.ly/h37j44 Hope it helps. #ELTchat – Very interesting, thanks! |
| 11:56 am | mmgrinberg: | RT @Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us! |
| 11:57 am | esolcourses: | RT @Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us! |
| 11:57 am | JoeMcVeigh: | Sorry, must clear snow from driveway and take son to school. Have a great #ELTchat, everyone. |
| 11:58 am | cerirhiannon: | RT @JoeMcVeigh: Sorry, must clear snow from driveway and take son to school. Have a great #ELTchat, everyone. |
| 11:58 am | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us! |
| 11:58 am | erikaosvath: | @janetbianchini Thank, Janet. Will give it a read after the chat 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 11:59 am | Marisa_C: | May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet about other links, their wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it |
| 11:59 am | janetbianchini: | RT @bcnpaul1 my post a little while ago on testing.. links in it to two gr8 posts by @michelleworganhttp://bit.ly/gukogs #eltchat |
| 12:00 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet about other links, their wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it |
| 12:00 pm | barbsaka: | RT @Marisa_C: May we aske fellow teachers NOT to tweet other links, wonderful blogposts etc. DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it |
| 12:00 pm | JoeMcVeigh: | On way out door, highly recommend A Practical Guide to Assessing ELLs by Coombe, Folse, Hubley. – U Michigan P. Very practical #ELTchat. |
| 12:00 pm | cerirhiannon: | school run calling me away too #eltchat have a great convo – will be following on the transcript |
| 12:00 pm | michelleworgan: | Hello everybody on #ELTchat, just finished cleaning bathroom in time! |
| 12:00 pm | barbsaka: | It’s 9 pm in Japan…Here we go! For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat: Testing–Should we? How? |
| 12:00 pm | bcnpaul1: | @Marisa_C oops #eltchat |
| 12:01 pm | janetbianchini: | Hi all! It’s a nice sunny afternoon here in Abruzzo. Looking forward to #ELTChat now |
| 12:01 pm | Maha9313: | RT @sandymillin: RT @englishraven: 5 mins to #ELTChat folks… 1st topic is about testing. Should we? How should we? etc. Please join us! |
| 12:01 pm | Marisa_C: | @barbsaka Hello Barbara and welcome to #ELTchat! It’s great to have you moderate with us today! |
| 12:01 pm | erikaosvath: | I believe in self-assessment rather than testing or as a part of testing. #ELTChat |
| 12:01 pm | JoshSRound: | For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat Hi everyone! |
| 12:01 pm | sandymillin: | RT @JoshSRound: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat Hi everyone! |
| 12:01 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @barbsaka: It’s 9 pm in Japan…Here we go! For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat: Testing–Should we? How? |
| 12:01 pm | hideotakamini: | RT @ShellTerrell: Incredible opportunity to attend gr8test Edu conf in Istanbul w expenses paidhttp://bit.ly/dJ6ldL #eltchat #istek #esl |
| 12:01 pm | barbsaka: | @erikaosvath How do you have students self-asses? #ELTChat |
| 12:01 pm | englishraven: | Okay, it’s #ELTChat time. I’m co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C @rliberni and special guest @barbsaka |
| 12:01 pm | Marisa_C: | May I ask you to remember the #ELTchat hashtag |
| 12:02 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @englishraven: Okay, it’s #ELTChat time. I’m co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C @rliberni and special guest @barbsaka |
| 12:02 pm | barbsaka: | How else do you asses your students? #ELTChat |
| 12:02 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat We’re in middle of mid-year testing season – obligatory for company figures + to be sent to head office. Not always good idea? |
| 12:02 pm | esolcourses: | RT @Marisa_C May we ask fellow teachers NOT to use #ELTChat hashtag to tweet abt other links DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it |
| 12:02 pm | JoshSRound: | Self-assessment an important learner tool – how do you promote it? #eltchat |
| 12:02 pm | esolcourses: | RT @englishraven: Okay, it’s #ELTChat time. I’m co-moderating tonight with @Marisa_C @rliberni and special guest @barbsaka |
| 12:02 pm | barbsaka: | @sandymillin What ages are you teaching? #eltchat |
| 12:02 pm | rliberni: | RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C May we ask fellow teachers NOT to use #ELTChat hashtag to tweet abt other links DURING #ELTchat. It confuses ppl who follow it |
| 12:02 pm | Marisa_C: | We’re talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas |
| 12:02 pm | bcnpaul1: | @JoshSRound hey Josh #eltchat |
| 12:03 pm | englishraven: | @erikaosvath Self-assessment… manageable across lg # of Ss? Contexts where testing considered crucial? #ELTChat |
| 12:03 pm | englishraven: | RT @Marisa_C: We’re talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas |
| 12:03 pm | hideotakamini: | RT @chucksandy: charming, powerful short video: the real voices of Japanese students via Tim Murphy’s classroom. http://bit.ly/icj6Zb #JALT #edchat #eltchat |
| 12:03 pm | sandymillin: | @barbsaka #eltchat Teach everything: YL (they have portfolios), teens, adults, business, exam, 121…you name it! |
| 12:03 pm | esolcourses: | RT @Marisa_C: We’re talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas |
| 12:03 pm | JoshSRound: | Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat |
| 12:03 pm | barbsaka: | @JoshSRound More than promote…how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat |
| 12:03 pm | englishraven: | RT @sandymillin: #eltchat We’re in middle of mid-year testing season – obligatory for company figures + to be sent to head office. Not always good idea? |
| 12:03 pm | michelleworgan: | RT @barbsaka: @JoshSRound More than promote…how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat |
| 12:03 pm | chucksandy: | RT @barbsaka: @erikaosvath How do you have students self-asses? #ELTChat |
| 12:03 pm | sandymillin: | RT @JoshSRound: Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat |
| 12:03 pm | MartinWarters: | @barbsaka #ELTChat I suppose the real assessment will come with a real world application of the learned skill:) |
| 12:03 pm | chucksandy: | RT @erikaosvath: I believe in self-assessment rather than testing or as a part of testing. #ELTChat |
| 12:03 pm | bcnpaul1: | we’re also in the midst of mid yr assessment but it’s kind of ok & sts enjoy it – type of assessment important i think #eltchat |
| 12:03 pm | englishraven: | @sandymillin What you describe is the reality for most teachers in most contexts… 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:04 pm | hideotakamini: | RT @ShellTerrell: Join us for 12noon GMT #ELTchat in 10 minutes “Should we test students? If so, how? If not, what shud we do insted?” |
| 12:04 pm | barbsaka: | @sandymillin And how does your head office use the test results? #eltchat |
| 12:04 pm | erikaosvath: | @barbsaka After correcting their tests, THEY try 2 find the answers 2 errors through their books, online resources, etc. #ELTChat |
| 12:04 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat Head office uses results to find out if our teaching meets standards (not sure exactly how) and if everything OK at school |
| 12:04 pm | englishraven: | @bcnpaul1 So your students enjoy assessment? Any characteristics/types you care to pass on? #ELTChat |
| 12:04 pm | sandymillin: | RT @erikaosvath: @barbsaka After correcting their tests, THEY try 2 find the answers 2 errors through their books, online resources, etc. #ELTChat |
| 12:04 pm | michelleworgan: | RT @englishraven: @bcnpaul1 So your students enjoy assessment? Any characteristics/types you care to pass on? #ELTChat |
| 12:04 pm | bcnpaul1: | effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat |
| 12:05 pm | fionamau: | RT @fionamau: @bcnpaul1 What type do you do? Assessment comes in all colours. #eltchat |
| 12:05 pm | rliberni: | RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: We’re talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas #eltchat |
| 12:05 pm | BethCagnol: | Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield’s Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT |
| 12:05 pm | JoshSRound: | @barbsaka sth still trying to understand in our context, at the mo still promoting via reflection in class #eltchat Do you use portfolios? |
| 12:05 pm | rliberni: | RT @barbsaka: @JoshSRound More than promote…how do you get students to be effective self-assessers? #eltchat |
| 12:05 pm | englishraven: | RT @bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat > Agreed! |
| 12:05 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat Was part of ‘most-tested’ generation at UK schools. Worked 4 me as liked tests, but not for many friends = stress, low self-confid. |
| 12:05 pm | sevans59: | #ELTchat testing, not to be confused with teaching. |
| 12:05 pm | englishraven: | RT @bethcagnol: Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield’s Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT > Highly recommended. |
| 12:05 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @bethcagnol: Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield’s Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT – link pls? |
| 12:05 pm | rliberni: | RT @bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat |
| 12:05 pm | barbsaka: | So I hear self-assessment and standardized tests….any other types of assessment in your classes or schools? #ELTchat |
| 12:06 pm | englishraven: | RT @barbsaka: So I hear self-assessment and standardized tests….any other types of assessment in your classes or schools? #ELTchat |
| 12:06 pm | esolcourses: | RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Was part of ‘most-tested’ generation at UK schools. Worked 4 me as liked tests, but not for many friends = stress, low self-confid. |
| 12:06 pm | mmgrinberg: | #Eltchat Frankly speaking, the Head Office hardly ever have a look at the test results (( |
| 12:06 pm | linguaprof: | RT @Marisa_C: We’re talking testing today on #ELTchat pls join us for a great discussion and share your ideas |
| 12:06 pm | michelleworgan: | What self assessment activities do you use with YL and abults? #ELTchat |
| 12:06 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat Our YLs like doing their portfolios. Very proud of them and put in lots of effort: know parents will see them (under 11s only) |
| 12:06 pm | bcnpaul1: | we use assessment projects that are a series of themed tasks &encourage production more than remembering rules. sts like the format #eltchat |
| 12:06 pm | englishraven: | RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Frankly speaking, the Head Office hardly ever have a look at the test results (( > That appears common, too! |
| 12:06 pm | chucksandy: | I’ll bring up the often dreaded BIG tests like TOEIC & TOEFL & others. What to do about them? In my context, the TOEIC is a fact #eltchat |
| 12:06 pm | erikaosvath: | @englishraven Yes, in my experience it is manageable in other contexts 2. Requires different view on what testing is 4 #ELTChat |
| 12:06 pm | JoshSRound: | @sandymillin true some ss reallly like tests and expect them, others not so – depends on culture, learning background? #eltchat |
| 12:06 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Our YLs like doing their portfolios. Very proud of them and put in lots of effort: parents will see them |
| 12:06 pm | michelleworgan: | I prefer to assess classwork and written homework, as well as std portfolios for YLs #ELTchat |
| 12:06 pm | barbsaka: | RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Our YLs like doing portfolios. Very proud of them and lots of effort: know parents will see them (under 11s only) |
| 12:06 pm | janetbianchini: | I find that an informal weekly review of things learned is a great way to help ss understand which areas they need to focus on #ELTChat |
| 12:07 pm | agfigueiredo: | RT @englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: effective self-assement is difficult but essential to work on all the time #eltchat >> Agreed! #eltchat |
| 12:07 pm | Marisa_C: | Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat |
| 12:07 pm | janetbianchini: | RT @bethcagnol Has anyone read Lindsay Clanfield’s Six Things post on testing? Very good stuff. #ELTCHAT |
| 12:07 pm | sandymillin: | @JoshSRound #eltchat Depends on learning background, study skills, family environment (my family supported study time etc)… |
| 12:07 pm | englishraven: | @erikaosvath Right. I agree it is feasible, but requires a lot of work/pushing/patience at the admin end of things. #ELTChat |
| 12:07 pm | barbsaka: | So, self-assessment, portfolios, standardized testing, informal teacher assessment….what else? Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat |
| 12:07 pm | linguaprof: | Surprising, not many teachers know exactly what a “placement test” is #ELTchat |
| 12:07 pm | Marisa_C: | YES #ELTchat |
| 12:07 pm | bcnpaul1: | @englishraven i think a lot of sts ‘enjoy’ seeing how they’re progressing -assessment done well achieves that without beinga ‘test’ #eltchat |
| 12:07 pm | englishraven: | RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat |
| 12:07 pm | JoshSRound: | RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat No! |
| 12:07 pm | SugarJo: | RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat YES |
| 12:07 pm | michelleworgan: | RT @janetbianchini: I find informal weekly review of things learned is great way to help ss understnd which areas need to focus on #ELTChat |
| 12:07 pm | peterjohnfenton: | problem with self-assessment is many students don’t see the point – ‘surely that’s the teacher’s job’ attitude often exists #eltchat |
| 12:08 pm | fionamau: | @barbsaka #eltchat End of term business presentation (invent a business,create a powerpoint. give the presentation in pairs/threes. |
| 12:08 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat <yes for YLs, no for others |
| 12:08 pm | BethCagnol: | @englishraven @bcnpaul1 I need to put together a self-assessment questionnaire this week. Any online suggestions? #ELTCHAT |
| 12:08 pm | bjornhg: | #eltchat self.assessment based on clear criteria in advance, use portfolio, videotape and self-assess based on criteria, stdts set own goals |
| 12:08 pm | rliberni: | RT @englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat #eltchat |
| 12:08 pm | luthcal: | Hi peolpe, Luciana from Brazil, just got started. A little lost yet, but delighted. Will engage more effectively next #ELTChat. |
| 12:08 pm | sandymillin: | RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done |
| 12:08 pm | SueannaN: | RT @JoshSRound: Here in continuous enrolment setting, testing raises some problems (students may be here for just one week for eg) #eltchat |
| 12:08 pm | englishraven: | Interesting… despite the buzz about portfolio-based assessment, I saw for myself some prbs with this last term… #ELTChat |
| 12:08 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done |
| 12:08 pm | rliberni: | RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven i think a lot of sts ‘enjoy’ seeing how they’re progressing -assessment done well achieves that without beinga ‘test’ #eltchat |
| 12:08 pm | chucksandy: | in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer of almost everything we do. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat |
| 12:08 pm | JoshSRound: | RT @janetbianchini: an informal review of things learned is a great way to help ss understand what they need to focus on #ELTChat Agree |
| 12:08 pm | BethCagnol: | @Marisa_C Sorry, currently commenting to class so linkless. #ELTCHAT |
| 12:08 pm | sandymillin: | RT @peterjohnfenton: problem with self-assessment is many students don’t see the point – ‘surely that’s the teacher’s job’ attitude often exists #eltchat |
| 12:08 pm | michelleworgan: | Many materials and course books for YLs now come with self assessment exercises and portfolios #ELTchat |
| 12:09 pm | barbsaka: | RT @sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done |
| 12:09 pm | englishraven: | I think, for the purposes of this chat, we need to be careful to consider difference b/w assessment, evaluation and testing. #ELTChat |
| 12:09 pm | mmgrinberg: | @Marisa_C No portfolios here where I work, and that’s a shame #Eltchat |
| 12:09 pm | rliberni: | I don’t think there is a 1 size fits all it really depends on teh stds & their needs #eltchat |
| 12:09 pm | fionamau: | RT @michelleworgan: I prefer to assess classwork and written homework, as well as std portfolios for YLs #ELTchat |
| 12:09 pm | bcnpaul1: | @bethcagnol i have a self-assessment sheet i can send you – it’s on a word doc. tho’ #eltchat |
| 12:09 pm | erikaosvath: | @michelleworgan Lts of reflection type activities w/ YL. List of activ @ the beginning of class, kids predict how they’ll do. /1 #ELTChat |
| 12:09 pm | MartinWarters: | @janetbianchini #ELTChat goes back to learning being iterative, and also proactive. |
| 12:09 pm | englishraven: | Our chat topic had the “testing” element as its focus. #ELTChat |
| 12:09 pm | galactadon: | how about standardized tests of English language (national tests, etc.)? #eltchat |
| 12:09 pm | peterjohnfenton: | @Marisa_C In the past YES, but didn’t really catch on with teachers and wasn’t implemented properly RE: portfolio assessment #eltchat |
| 12:09 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @chucksandy: in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer [..]. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat |
| 12:09 pm | rliberni: | RT @michelleworgan: RT @janetbianchini: I find informal weekly review of things learned is great way to help ss understnd which areas need to focus on #ELTChat |
| 12:10 pm | agfigueiredo: | @englishraven @barbsaka ongoing assessment of sts performance and participation. #eltchat |
| 12:10 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: Our chat topic had the “testing” element as its focus. #ELTChat |
| 12:10 pm | luthcal: | In Brasilia, we always do our own tests. #ELTChat |
| 12:10 pm | JoshSRound: | We use Progress Tests in course books, not the best perhaps but serve as a review of what covered in class #eltchat |
| 12:10 pm | erikaosvath: | @michelleworgan Then repeat process @ the end of the lesson #ELTChat |
| 12:10 pm | bcnpaul1: | portfolios are great but only if they are continued throughout the year and integrated – too often started & neglected #eltchat |
| 12:10 pm | chucksandy: | SugarJo RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond w/ YES or NO. #ELTchat In classrooms: YES Schoolwide: no |
| 12:10 pm | SueannaN: | We use placement tests, but I don’t think they are always efficient #eltchat |
| 12:10 pm | esolcourses: | Not keen on standardised tests myself. Often test on a v.narrow range of outcomes & they can be demotivational for some learners #ELTChat |
| 12:10 pm | rliberni: | RT @Marisa_C: RT @chucksandy: in my own classes assessment is continual & ongoing: self & peer [..]. No testing. Just evaluating. #eltchat |
| 12:10 pm | BethCagnol: | @chucksandy I turn the TOEIC into a game-like atmosphere with rewards, etc. Lots of candy handed out. #ELTCHAT |
| 12:10 pm | MartinWarters: | RT @Marisa_C: Portfolio assessment is catching on? Please respond with a YES or NO abt your institution #ELTchat NO |
| 12:10 pm | rliberni: | RT @SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don’t think they are always efficient #eltchat |
| 12:10 pm | michelleworgan: | RT @englishraven: Our chat topic had the “testing” element as its focus. #ELTChat| Ok, so how to make tests both effective and stress-free? |
| 12:10 pm | chucksandy: | RT @englishraven: I think, for the purposes of this chat, we need to be careful to consider difference b/w assessment, evaluation and testing. #ELTChat |
| 12:11 pm | fionamau: | #eltchat I get students to make tests. In groups, writing say 6 questions, pin all tests on wall, kids do the one they prefer but not own. |
| 12:11 pm | Marisa_C: | The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don’t test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat |
| 12:11 pm | janetbianchini: | Yes, every week I used to create my own one-hour review test for ss based on what I had taught them -informal so no marks given #ELTchat |
| 12:11 pm | erikaosvath: | @englishraven Yes, it does require constant work, all of what you listed 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:11 pm | galactadon: | administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat |
| 12:11 pm | JoshSRound: | But assessment of speaking & listening often informal, based on teacher impression #eltchat |
| 12:11 pm | englishraven: | For those of you out there advocating self-assessment, portfolios etc. what are your views on the more common “testing” elements? #ELTChat |
| 12:11 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat standard courses (2 x90 min per week) ‘lose’ 6 lessons per year on mid / end of yr test – 1 x revision, 1 x test, 1 x diagnositc |
| 12:11 pm | rliberni: | @esolcourses agreed I think a more individualised approach is more valuable #eltchat |
| 12:11 pm | bcnpaul1: | @SueAnnan placement tests not efficient – I agree but what else do we do? #eltchat |
| 12:11 pm | barbsaka: | Testing we use: self-assessment, portfolio, performance (presentation, real-life), informal, teacher-created tests, standardized #ELTChat |
| 12:12 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don’t test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat |
| 12:12 pm | rliberni: | Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat |
| 12:12 pm | englishraven: | RT @galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat> Not in all cases! |
| 12:12 pm | michelleworgan: | RT @fionamau: #eltchat I get students to make tests. In groups, 6 questions, all tests on wall, kids do the one they prefer but not own. |
| 12:12 pm | fionamau: | #eltchat I also get adults to make vocab cards as we go, keep packs of these cards, use to play ‘taboo’ type game in threes. |
| 12:12 pm | sandymillin: | @janetbianchini #eltchat How many hours of lessons per week fed into your one-hour review test? |
| 12:12 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @michelleworgan: Many materials and course books for YLs now come with self assessment exercises and portfolios #ELTchat> & they are gr8 |
| 12:12 pm | englishraven: | RT @rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat > So true! |
| 12:12 pm | barbsaka: | Interesting…no one seems against testing, just how it’s done #ELTchat |
| 12:12 pm | MartinWarters: | RT @galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat |
| 12:12 pm | JoshSRound: | RT @rliberni: Thee is a big difference between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat Absolutely |
| 12:13 pm | mmgrinberg: | #Eltchat External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success! |
| 12:13 pm | BethCagnol: | @sandymillin @barbsaka What urks me is how some students (& teachers) misinterpret the differences between level & progress tests. #ELTCHAT |
| 12:13 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @barbsaka: Interesting…no one seems against testing, just how it’s done #ELTchat – only @chucksandy 🙂 |
| 12:13 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat |
| 12:13 pm | luthcal: | #ELTChat Making test day a learning day, so as not to miss so much time on just testing. |
| 12:13 pm | fionamau: | #eltchat Teens make a sort of Trivial Pursuit to test different things, and play once a month or at end of intensive summer course. |
| 12:13 pm | sandymillin: | RT @bcnpaul1: portfolios great only if continued through the year and integrated – too often started & neglected #eltchat <in our syllabus |
| 12:13 pm | galactadon: | what about test prep? Is it more valuable to test when students know in advance & study, or surprise tests to judge everyday skill #eltchat |
| 12:13 pm | harrisonmike: | Same here! RT @rliberni: RT @SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don’t think they are always efficient #eltchat |
| 12:13 pm | esolcourses: | @SueAnnan another problem with placement tests is that some s’s may have already done them elsewhere & might remember the answers! #ELTchat |
| 12:13 pm | englishraven: | @barbsaka I think more accurate to say people are not against assessment/evaluation… Testing is one of the ways to do it. #ELTChat |
| 12:13 pm | englishraven: | RT @harrisonmike: Same here! RT @rliberni: RT @SueannaN: We use placement tests, but I don’t think they are always efficient #eltchat |
| 12:13 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @esolcourses: Not keen on standardised tests myself. Often test on a v.narrow range of outcomes & they can be demotivational for some learners #ELTChat |
| 12:13 pm | michelleworgan: | I generally avoid testing with YLs as they are constantly being tested at school #ELTchat |
| 12:13 pm | chucksandy: | @bethcagnol: candy in TOEIC class – sweet ^^ Too much emphasis on score in my school. Rewards given for high 1s. Others feel bad #eltchat |
| 12:13 pm | MartinWarters: | @erikaosvath @michelleworgan #ELTchat, and the CEFR can do statements. |
| 12:13 pm | rliberni: | Sorry about typos! trying to answer phone & type!! #eltchat |
| 12:14 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @Marisa_C: The problem with institutional or commercial tests is they often don’t test HOW you teach and just focus on grammar & vocab #ELTchat |
| 12:14 pm | edumazing: | Politicians are too. RT @galactadon: administrators are the ones fond of standardized tests, right, never teachers #eltchat |
| 12:14 pm | englishraven: | RT @chucksandy: @bethcagnol: candy in TOEIC class – sweet ^^ Too much emphasis on score in my school. Rewards given for high 1s. Others feel bad #eltchat |
| 12:14 pm | sandymillin: | RT @fionamau: #eltchat adults make vocab cards , keep packs of these cards, use to play ‘taboo’ type game in 3s <+ many games – will blog |
| 12:14 pm | bcnpaul1: | don’t students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? – we should #eltchat |
| 12:14 pm | sandymillin: | RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success! |
| 12:14 pm | englishraven: | RT @bcnpaul1: don’t students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? – we should #eltchat |
| 12:14 pm | rliberni: | @harrisonmike I have a very simple mcq placement test & I find it quite accurate #eltchat |
| 12:14 pm | mmgrinberg: | #eltchat Placement test are often limited to Grammar / Vocab |
| 12:14 pm | chucksandy: | @marisa-c: Oh, I’m very against testing & don’t mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat |
| 12:14 pm | BethCagnol: | @bcnpaul1 Just DMed you my email address for that assessment sheet. Thanks! #ELTCHAT |
| 12:15 pm | barbsaka: | RT @bcnpaul1: don’t students ever ask to be tested? Do we talk to them about best way for them to see their progress? – we should #eltchat |
| 12:15 pm | sandymillin: | RT @galactadon: what about test prep? Is it more valuable to test when students know in advance & study, or surprise tests to judge everyday skill #eltchat |
| 12:15 pm | justyayu: | I’m giving end term tests (based on text books)this week but I don’t see that they help students improve their English. #ELTchat |
| 12:15 pm | rliberni: | @harrisonmike (unless the stds get their wives to do it – which happened once & I planned for adv and got pre-int!! #eltchat |
| 12:15 pm | galactadon: | how does the general testing culture in your country play into your use of tests in ESL classroom? #eltchat |
| 12:15 pm | Marisa_C: | @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested – adults – or the parents do for YLs #eltchat |
| 12:15 pm | englishraven: | RT @chucksandy: @marisa-c: Oh, I’m very against testing & don’t mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat > Yep, me! |
| 12:15 pm | barbsaka: | @bcnpaul1 My students asked to take a national exam this year 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:15 pm | fionamau: | RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven a lot of sts ‘enjoy’ seeing how progressing -assessmt done well achieves that w’out beinga ‘test’ #eltchat |
| 12:15 pm | englishraven: | RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested – adults – or the parents do for YLs #eltchat > Yes, this is huge… |
| 12:15 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat External tests can be extremely motivating, esp for adults. My wife signed up for an A1 test of French and that was a success! |
| 12:15 pm | BethCagnol: | RT @englishraven: RT @rliberni: Thee is a big diffenernce between testing for progress and testing for qualification or benchmarking #eltchat > So true! |
| 12:15 pm | esolcourses: | RT @bcnpaul1: don’t students ever ask to be tested? Do we ever talk to them about the best way for them to see their progress? – we should #eltchat |
| 12:15 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @englishraven: RT @chucksandy: Oh, I’m very against testing & don’t mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat > Yep, me! > Me 2 |
| 12:15 pm | sandymillin: | RT @bcnpaul1: don’t students ever ask to be tested? we should #eltchat <my teens do – they expect it from school |
| 12:15 pm | barbsaka: | Important to test what we teach 🙂 RT @mmgrinberg: #eltchat Placement test are often limited to Grammar / Vocab |
| 12:16 pm | galactadon: | people love tests though. Some of the most popular content on MSN network is quizzes and tests. As in Cosmo mag. #eltchat |
| 12:16 pm | mmgrinberg: | #ELTchat Good tips re student-generated testing in good old Minimax book by Jon Taylor |
| 12:16 pm | janetbianchini: | @sandymillin 15 hours per week +2nd teacher would contribute to 6 hours’ teaching = 21 hours.Test based on grammar, vocab + writing #ELTchat |
| 12:16 pm | rliberni: | @chucksandy not against testing perse but y r we doing it & what is the benefit to the individ learner? #eltchat |
| 12:16 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested – adults – or the parents do for YLs #eltchat <so question of reeducating ppl? |
| 12:16 pm | chucksandy: | against testing @englishraven & me. Others? #eltchat |
| 12:16 pm | fionamau: | RT @sandymillin: RT @barbsaka: Does anyone make their own tests? #ELTChat <yes, we have to make all tests based on what SS have done |
| 12:16 pm | barbsaka: | RT @rliberni: @chucksandy not against testing perse but y r we doing it & what is the benefit to the individ learner? #eltchat |
| 12:16 pm | agfigueiredo: | RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested – adults – or the parents do for YLs >agree!! #eltchat |
| 12:16 pm | bcnpaul1: | who is the test for? Teachers to put a mark on their report & students so they can say they got a 4.5 (better than last term..) #eltchat |
| 12:16 pm | Marisa_C: | I still like the old Oxford Placement Test (claims to test everything) but no prod skills included #eltchat |
| 12:17 pm | englishraven: | Good test design is really a major skill. Do many schools/teachers have it? Easy to make poor tests…? #ELTChat |
| 12:17 pm | michelleworgan: | Stds often like to see some comprhensible data that shows they are learning and progressing, i.e. a number or percentage #ELTchat |
| 12:17 pm | barbsaka: | @bcnpaul1 Good question, Paul #eltchat |
| 12:17 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @michelleworgan: I generally avoid testing with YLs as they are constantly being tested at school #ELTchat>& how stressed they are, cruel |
| 12:17 pm | bcnpaul1: | assessment is different as it deals with real-world production & skills useful for guaging learning rather than numbers #eltchat |
| 12:17 pm | sandymillin: | RT @bcnpaul1: who is the test for? Teachers to put a mark on their report & students so they can say they got a 4.5 (better than last term..) #eltchat |
| 12:17 pm | Marisa_C: | I think tests are useful as validations of ongoing assessment – becos official looking – for client #ELTchat |
| 12:17 pm | barbsaka: | @michelleworgan Parents, too! #ELTchat |
| 12:17 pm | JoshSRound: | RT @bcnpaul1: assessment is different as it deals with real-world production & skills useful for guaging learning rather than numbers #eltchat |
| 12:17 pm | SueannaN: | I think it depends on the purpose #eltchat |
| 12:18 pm | mmgrinberg: | @galactadon My adult ss enjoy tests, but not the teens / YLs #Eltchat |
| 12:18 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: I still like the old Oxford Placement Test but no prod skills #eltchat < we have edited w/ speak & writing < normally works |
| 12:18 pm | englishraven: | @bcnpaul1 Right. Tests are very seldom predominantly “for” the learners. They’re for all the (what I call) “investors”! #ELTChat |
| 12:18 pm | BethCagnol: | #ELTChat Gonna have to sign off early. Class starting. Teaching a multi-level group of doctors in a mental institution. (I fit right in! 😉 |
| 12:18 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: Good test design is really a major skill. Do many schools/teachers have it? #ELTChat <do schools train it? |
| 12:18 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @chucksandy: @marisa-c: Oh, I’m very against testing & don’t mind saying so. Any others out there? #eltchat >mee too |
| 12:18 pm | SamGliksman: | How effective are standardized tests? A. Too limited in scope B. Often inaccurate C. Skew teaching towards results D. All of above #eltchat |
| 12:18 pm | Marisa_C: | @sandymillin that’s what I do too – other ways they are good predictors #eltchat |
| 12:18 pm | englishraven: | RT @mmgrinberg: @galactadon My adult ss enjoy tests, but not the teens / YLs #Eltchat > Any thoughts about why? |
| 12:18 pm | esolcourses: | @bcnpaul1 @englishraven I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s’s work to complete tests in groups #eltchat |
| 12:19 pm | SueannaN: | RT @Marisa_C: I still lk the old Oxford Placement Test but no prod skills #eltchat < we have edited w/ speak & writing > so have we |
| 12:19 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: @bcnpaul1 Right. Tests are very seldom predominantly “for” the learners. They’re for all the (what I call) “investors”! #ELTChat |
| 12:19 pm | galactadon: | the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat |
| 12:19 pm | bcnpaul1: | @sandymillin they like it (being tested) cause that’s the only way they can say got a good mark, but does it mean they’re learning? #eltchat |
| 12:19 pm | cybraryman1: | Is there teacher input in the design of the tests to make them more useful for evaluation? #eltchat |
| 12:19 pm | barbsaka: | Bril! RT @esolcourses: I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s’s work to complete tests in groups #eltchat |
| 12:19 pm | MartinWarters: | @Marisa_C #ELTchat Not too sure about the minimal pairs aspect of the listening test:) |
| 12:19 pm | englishraven: | @esolcourses I think tests built around the learners own specific needs/previous mistakes can be a good way to go. #ELTChat |
| 12:19 pm | SugarJo: | #ELTchat My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess. |
| 12:19 pm | chucksandy: | I love assessment. I love peers assessing each other. I hate standardized test tho & the culture that give those tests power #eltchat |
| 12:19 pm | englishraven: | RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess. |
| 12:20 pm | fionamau: | RT @barbsaka: Interesting…no one seems against testing, just how it’s done #ELTchat > exercise types should always b same as ones in class |
| 12:20 pm | barbsaka: | RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess. |
| 12:20 pm | sandymillin: | RT @galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat |
| 12:20 pm | janetbianchini: | Noisy +sometimes unmotivated groups of teens would always be quiet and concentrated during the weekly informal “review”( test) Why? #ELTChat |
| 12:20 pm | englishraven: | @SugarJo But may I ask (devil’s advocate…) is it just “tests” — or the form/focus/delivery of the tests? #ELTChat |
| 12:20 pm | JoshSRound: | RT @galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat |
| 12:20 pm | erikaosvath: | @englishraven: @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT 2 B tested #eltchat >I tell parents abt the usefulness of self-ass rthr than test |
| 12:20 pm | SueannaN: | RT @bcnpaul1: @SueAnnan placement tests not efficient – I agree but what else do we do? > espec multiple choice #eltchat |
| 12:21 pm | sandymillin: | RT @cybraryman1: teacher input in the design of the tests to make them more useful for evaluation? #eltchat <depends on school I think |
| 12:21 pm | sandymillin: | RT @barbsaka: Bril! RT @esolcourses: I upload quizzes to my site on mistakes made in prev. lessons -s’s work to complete tests in groups #eltchat |
| 12:21 pm | agfigueiredo: | @sandymillin @bcnpaul1 who’s the test for?… let’s not forget parents who need ‘proof’ of their children’s performance #eltchat |
| 12:21 pm | sandymillin: | RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent their lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess. |
| 12:21 pm | bcnpaul1: | I told a student he needed to work harder & he said ‘i’ll do better in the next test”… “what about in between” I said #eltchat |
| 12:21 pm | chucksandy: | RT @barbsaka: RT @SugarJo: #ELTchat My students have spent lives failing tests. Tests produce fear in my students. I have to find other ways to assess. |
| 12:21 pm | mmgrinberg: | #ELTchat Adults are motivated; they know why and what for they are being tested |
| 12:21 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @chucksandy: I love assessment. I love peers assessing each other. I hate standardized test tho & the culture that give those tests power #eltchat |
| 12:21 pm | SugarJo: | #ELTchat @englishraven The kinds of tests so beloved of the system here do not suit some students, but I think thet |
| 12:21 pm | englishraven: | I’m not keen on the tests we have/use in most places. I’m not entirely against testing as a notion or procedure. #ELTChat |
| 12:22 pm | fionamau: | RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I think most Ss EXPECT to be tested – adults – or the parents do for YLs #eltchat |
| 12:22 pm | chucksandy: | RT @JoshSRound: RT @galactadon: the big EFL companies (Cambridge ESL, ETS etc.) have hoards of test making specialists. Eng testing is big money. #eltchat |
| 12:22 pm | sandymillin: | RT @janetbianchini: noisy teens would always be quiet and concentrated during weekly informal “review”( test) Why? #ELTChat <it’s serious! |
| 12:22 pm | harrisonmike: | @rliberni Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat |
| 12:22 pm | stopspanglish: | #ELTChat: Spanish students cannot keep tests once they’ve been marked. Mine appreciate having feedback on what they can do to improve. |
| 12:22 pm | bcnpaul1: | @agfigueiredo true – that’s always the problem though – it’s a proof thing that isn’t real #eltchat |
| 12:22 pm | michelleworgan: | @agfigueiredo There is often a huge diff btw test result and general progress – can get a bad test mark but good marks on report #ELTchat |
| 12:22 pm | SueannaN: | RT @harrisonmike: @rliberni Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat |
| 12:22 pm | sandymillin: | RT @bcnpaul1: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said ‘i’ll do better in the next test”… “what about in between” I said #eltchat |
| 12:22 pm | janetbianchini: | @englishraven @esolcourses I agree – tests were always based on ss errors / problem areas to help them review and improve #ELTchat |
| 12:22 pm | sandymillin: | RT @mmgrinberg: #ELTchat Adults are motivated; they know why and what for they are being tested <most of the time, not always |
| 12:22 pm | erikaosvath: | Kids need 2 be motivated to B able 2 identify their own learning priorities, have control over theri learning rather than tests #ELTChat |
| 12:22 pm | JoshSRound: | On our Foundation course, we have cont assess with varying assignment types & increasing level of weighting, low-risk to higher #eltchat |
| 12:23 pm | chucksandy: | RT @bcnpaul1: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said ‘i’ll do better in the next test”… “what about in between” I said #eltchat |
| 12:23 pm | michelleworgan: | @bcnpaul1 And parents ask why their child got a good report when did badly on test! They just don’t get it #ELTchat |
| 12:23 pm | barbsaka: | Problems with tests–mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat |
| 12:23 pm | galactadon: | when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don’t need that #eltchat |
| 12:23 pm | SueannaN: | RT @galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don’t need that #eltchat |
| 12:23 pm | englishraven: | Let’s not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat |
| 12:23 pm | ALiCe__M: | @englishraven I am against testing. It brings back feelings of fear and failure. #ELTchat |
| 12:23 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @sandymillin: RT @mmgrinberg: #ELTchat Adults are motivated; they know why & what for they are being tested <most of the time, not always |
| 12:23 pm | fionamau: | RT @chucksandy: against testing @englishraven & me. Others? #eltchat Against typical four-day tests (2 fr revision, 1 fr test, 1 fr feedback |
| 12:23 pm | sandymillin: | RT @erikaosvath: Kids need 2 be motivated to B able 2 identify learning priorities, have control over theri learning #ELTChat <how? |
| 12:23 pm | rliberni: | @harrisonmike I agree this is the best way but it depends how many stds you have & the time also mine’s done via email #eltchat |
| 12:23 pm | SugarJo: | RT @barbsaka: Problems with tests–mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat AGREE |
| 12:24 pm | englishraven: | RT @SugarJo: RT @barbsaka: Problems with tests–mismatch between how we test and what we teach (e.g., written test in oral English) #eltchat AGREE |
| 12:24 pm | stopspanglish: | #ELTChat: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I’m with @BCNPaul – maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing. |
| 12:24 pm | barbsaka: | Probs with performance tests also–not always reliable, and depends on raters grading performance same #ELTChat |
| 12:24 pm | bcnpaul1: | @erikaosvath how do they respond (the parents you tell abt self-assessment) #eltchat |
| 12:24 pm | englishraven: | RT @stopspanglish: #ELTChat: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I’m with @BCNPaul– maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing. |
| 12:24 pm | fceblog: | #eltchat A class is private. A test is public. Teachers, students, school authorities, parents get to know about test results. |
| 12:24 pm | erikaosvath: | Tests have become such a norm, that hardly anyone thinks they need to B reconsidered. Why test at all? What does a grade tell U? #ELTChat |
| 12:24 pm | janetbianchini: | Sometimes got ss to make up own tests, each group a specific topic/ grammar area- collate different parts,do, then peer corrections #ELTchat |
| 12:24 pm | peterjohnfenton: | @harrisonmike @rliberni Yeah, usually get a good idea of level just by asking sts to spell their name! #eltchat |
| 12:24 pm | esolcourses: | RT @barbsaka: Probs with performance tests also–not always reliable, and depends on raters grading performance same #ELTChat |
| 12:24 pm | sandymillin: | #ELTchat Had 17 y-o SS once whose dad shouted at me as his (excellent) son got 85% not 100% <son was stressed as dad had pressured him |
| 12:24 pm | chucksandy: | @fionamau: four day testing cycles. How awful. Do students get anything out of the process? #eltchat |
| 12:24 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don’t need that #eltchat |
| 12:24 pm | sandymillin: | RT @galactadon: when students are used to comparative tests ranking them against peers, it is hard to convince them that they don’t need that #eltchat |
| 12:25 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: Let’s not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat |
| 12:25 pm | englishraven: | If you apply tests but don’t use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically… #ELTChat |
| 12:25 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @englishraven: Let’s not forget that tests can actually be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat |
| 12:25 pm | rliberni: | One problem with testing (in edu generally) is that all the emphasis goes to the test which interferes with learning often #eltchat |
| 12:25 pm | michelleworgan: | @erikaosvath A test grade can tell u very little – its ongoing classroom performance that should tell you how a std is doing #eltchat |
| 12:25 pm | barbsaka: | RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don’t use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically… #ELTChat |
| 12:25 pm | galactadon: | Probs with tests – much easier to test things with ‘rules’ like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat |
| 12:25 pm | sandymillin: | RT @stopspanglish: #ELTChat: How do we present the idea of testing to students? I’m with @BCNPaul– maybe we need to show Ss different advantages of testing. |
| 12:25 pm | esolcourses: | RT @barbsaka: RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don’t use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat |
| 12:25 pm | erikaosvath: | @sandymillin Through eg negotiating course content together, reflecting on what their likes, dislikes, performances #ELTChat |
| 12:25 pm | sandymillin: | RT @fceblog: #eltchat A class is private. A test is public. Teachers, students, school authorities, parents get to know about test results. |
| 12:25 pm | englishraven: | So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat |
| 12:25 pm | SueannaN: | RT @englishraven: So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat |
| 12:25 pm | mmgrinberg: | #Eltchat Testing cycles seem to be rubbish. What ‘s the point?? |
| 12:26 pm | esolcourses: | RT @englishraven: So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat ] how and why, I’d say |
| 12:26 pm | englishraven: | RT @galactadon: Probs with tests – much easier to test things with ‘rules’ like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat |
| 12:26 pm | galactadon: | @englishraven Tests that don’t count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat |
| 12:26 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don’t use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat > Gd point |
| 12:26 pm | JoshSRound: | RT @barbsaka: performance tests reliability, depends on grading performance same #ELTChat Criteria needs to be clear & understood by ss |
| 12:26 pm | chucksandy: | RT @esolcourses: RT @barbsaka: RT @englishraven: If you apply tests but don’t use them for grades, the whole dynamic can change quite dramatically.. #ELTChat |
| 12:26 pm | rliberni: | We should test what is learned not work to the test – this should have better validity #eltchat |
| 12:26 pm | stopspanglish: | Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.: http://tinyurl.com/39e8m7x #eltchat |
| 12:26 pm | rliberni: | RT @SueannaN: RT @englishraven: So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat#eltchat |
| 12:26 pm | esolcourses: | RT @rliberni: We should test what is learned not work to the test – this should have better validity #eltchat ] absolutely! |
| 12:26 pm | sandymillin: | RT @galactadon: Probs with tests – much easier to test things with ‘rules’ like grammar and vocab. Hard to test what we really want: communication! #eltchat |
| 12:26 pm | englishraven: | @esolcourses Quite unbelievably, you and I seem to agree about something! 🙂 : -) 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:26 pm | rliberni: | RT @stopspanglish: Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.: http://tinyurl.com/39e8m7x#eltchat |
| 12:26 pm | erikaosvath: | @bcnpaul1 Sent a letter 2 paretns about self-ass and no testing explaning the value. Nobody opposed it. Guess was lucky 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:26 pm | englishraven: | RT @rliberni: RT @stopspanglish: Some ideas, from a blog entry at the beginning of Jan.:http://tinyurl.com/39e8m7x #eltchat |
| 12:26 pm | barbsaka: | IMO most effective assessment is when teachers know students well, BUT this doesn’t translate into school admission or scores #ELTChat |
| 12:26 pm | michelleworgan: | In summer school as DoS I used 2 pay more attention 2 written piece than reading test score for level testing- more enlightening #eltchat |
| 12:26 pm | mmgrinberg: | #Eltchat How to create tests that don’t make the ss feel they’ve failed smth? |
| 12:27 pm | bruno_cesar82: | RT @englishraven: Let’s not forget that tests can actly be effective 4learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat |
| 12:27 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT: @englishraven So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat >how & why it’s used I’d say- the concept is not a bad one |
| 12:27 pm | rliberni: | RT @englishraven: @esolcourses Quite unbelievably, you and I seem to agree about something! 🙂 : -) 🙂 #ELTChat #eltchat |
| 12:27 pm | fionamau: | #ELTChat Why does ‘the system’ advocate learner-centred teaching, specific student needs, humanising etc etc and standardised tests? |
| 12:27 pm | cybraryman1: | Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page: http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat |
| 12:27 pm | barbsaka: | @bruno_cesar82 When the “test” is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat |
| 12:27 pm | rliberni: | RT @cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat |
| 12:27 pm | bruno_cesar82: | #eltchat how to get rid of tests when sts are so used to it? |
| 12:27 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the “test” is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat |
| 12:27 pm | ALiCe__M: | @barbsaka yes, but assessment does not necessariliy imply testing #ELTchat |
| 12:27 pm | MartinWarters: | @rliberni #ELTchat Testing backwash can be both devastating or motivating. |
| 12:28 pm | SueannaN: | Don’t you also test candidates for the CElta in some way? #ELTChat |
| 12:28 pm | janetbianchini: | RT @englishraven Let’s not forget that tests can be quite effective for learning (stretching, remembering, guessing), if done well. #ELTChat |
| 12:28 pm | esolcourses: | RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the “test” is to help students identify accomplishments (strengths) and things to work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat |
| 12:28 pm | barbsaka: | @fionamau The “system” in Asia is not learner-centered or about “needs” lol #ELTChat |
| 12:28 pm | fionamau: | RT @harrisonmike: @rliberni Oh dear!! I find you get a lot out of just talking to the Sts for placement testing #eltchat >> definitely agree |
| 12:28 pm | chucksandy: | @englishraven: the problem is testing & the businesses who’ve convinced the culture(s) that these tests are a measure of success #eltchat |
| 12:28 pm | rliberni: | RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the “test” is to help stdts identify accomplishments (strengths) & things to work on (weaknesses) #eltchat |
| 12:28 pm | Mbarek: | Hi all #eLtchat ters ; Just joined 🙂 |
| 12:28 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @michelleworgan In summer school as DoS I used 2 pay more attention 2 written piece- more enlightening #eltchat > I agree wholeheartedly |
| 12:28 pm | englishraven: | RT @galactadon: Tests that don’t count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat > Doesn’t it just? Turn upside down and look again! |
| 12:28 pm | jessmcculloch: | @bruno_cesar82 i think we need to show them the value of others ways just like we need to show parents and school admins #eltchat |
| 12:28 pm | galactadon: | On student failure: if one assessment activity has different levels of response, all correct but more or less advanced = no failure #eltchat |
| 12:28 pm | Blog4Edu: | via @cecilialcoelho My #TEFL365 Start ? Things and People that Inspire Me http://bit.ly/epEAx0#ELTChat |
| 12:28 pm | ShellTerrell: | via @cecilialcoelho My #TEFL365 Start ? Things and People that Inspire Me http://bit.ly/epEAx0#eltchat |
| 12:28 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @bruno_cesar82: #eltchat how 2 get rid of tests when sts R so used 2 it? > thrgh reflection, asking them y NEED iT/USEFUL & how it helps |
| 12:29 pm | barbsaka: | @ALiCe__M True #ELTchat |
| 12:29 pm | cecilialcoelho: | Stopped by real quick… Hope you guys are having a great day (and I’m sure a fab #ELTChat. See you soon! |
| 12:29 pm | englishraven: | @chucksandy I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not aspects of official performance, they look/feel different #ELTChat |
| 12:30 pm | bruno_cesar82: | Agree! RT @barbsaka: @bruno_cesar82 When the “test”is 2help sts identify accomplishments (strengths) +things 2 work on (weaknesses) #ELTChat |
| 12:30 pm | esolcourses: | RT @chucksandy: @englishraven: the problem is testing & the businesses who’ve convinced the culture(s) that these tests are a measure of success #eltchat |
| 12:30 pm | rliberni: | @MartinWarters true so how do we promote the positive effects and diminish the negative? #eltchat |
| 12:30 pm | StevenHerder: | My Ss do TOEFL iBT to go abroad. Highly motivating, real skills acquired. 1st time Ts & Ss on the same page from day 1 #ELTchat |
| 12:30 pm | janetbianchini: | RT @cybraryman1 Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat |
| 12:30 pm | chucksandy: | RT @galactadon: On student failure: if one assessment activity has different levels of response, all correct but more or less advanced = no failure #eltchat |
| 12:30 pm | englishraven: | @cecilialcoelho You don’t know what you’re missing, mate! 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:30 pm | barbsaka: | RT @englishraven: @chucksandy I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look/feel different #ELTChat |
| 12:30 pm | DaveDodgson: | By @gret My #RSCON11 Take-Aways!: January 8th?s New Teachers Reform Symposium was a wonderful learning … http://bit.ly/evLUju #ELTchat |
| 12:30 pm | ALiCe__M: | @chucksandy fully agree ! #ELTchat |
| 12:30 pm | fionamau: | RT @chucksandy: @fionamau: four day testing cycles. How awful. Do students get anything out of the process? #eltchat Nope, it’s time wasted |
| 12:31 pm | mmgrinberg: | #Eltchat I still think that some kind of external assessment / testing should take place. Otherwise we would over-depend on our emotions |
| 12:31 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: So is the problem “testing” or how and why it is used? #ELTChat |
| 12:31 pm | Mbarek: | RT @rliberni: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy I agree. If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look/feel different #eltchat |
| 12:31 pm | sandymillin: | RT @galactadon: @englishraven Tests that don’t count towards your grade! Sounds revolutionary #eltchat |
| 12:31 pm | sandymillin: | RT @rliberni: We should test what is learned not work to the test – this should have better validity #eltchat |
| 12:31 pm | barbsaka: | @mmgrinberg What do you mean by depending on emotions? #Eltchat |
| 12:31 pm | stopspanglish: | Testing’s also a good diagnostic tool for teachers, so we learn what Ss don’t understand (& know what to teach better next time.) #ELTchat |
| 12:31 pm | michelleworgan: | I recently used test in order to get teen stds focussed -they knew they would have to do a test and took things bit more seriously! #eltchat |
| 12:32 pm | Marisa_C: | I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat |
| 12:32 pm | chucksandy: | @StevenHerder: do ss find IBT test prep motivating in & of itself? Are they learning more because they’re aiming for a high score? #eltchat |
| 12:32 pm | rliberni: | RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat |
| 12:32 pm | barbsaka: | Me too! RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat |
| 12:32 pm | Begabungs: | RT @cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat |
| 12:32 pm | michelleworgan: | Although I let them use their books ! Open book testing… #eltchat |
| 12:32 pm | efl101: | @englishraven definately how + why e.g. diagnostic tests to identify student weaknesses/strengths can be v useful #ELTchat |
| 12:32 pm | barbsaka: | @erikaosvath Good point #ELTChat |
| 12:32 pm | galactadon: | So how do you test successful communication activity despite student errors? Some errors impede understanding; others don’t. #eltchat |
| 12:32 pm | englishraven: | @stopspanglish Right — testing can actually help us teach better (if used the right way?) #ELTChat |
| 12:32 pm | rliberni: | RT @DaveDodgson: By @gret My #RSCON11 Take-Aways!: January 8th?s New Teachers Reform Symposium was a wonderful learning … http://bit.ly/evLUju #ELTchat |
| 12:32 pm | sandymillin: | RT @MartinWarters: @rliberni #ELTchat Testing backwash can be both devastating or motivating. |
| 12:32 pm | JoshSRound: | @michelleworgan Tests can help motivate sometimes, true, perhaps more so with teens #eltchat |
| 12:33 pm | fionamau: | RT @barbsaka: @fionamau The “system” in Asia is not learner-centered or about “needs” lol #ELTChat>> true, but Europe is very ‘Mario/Scott’ |
| 12:33 pm | englishraven: | RT @efl101: definately how + why e.g. diagnostic tests to identify student weaknesses/strengths can be v useful #ELTchat > YES |
| 12:33 pm | Marisa_C: | Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested – why individual? we’ve been doing everything in grps – so i LET them!! #ELTchat |
| 12:33 pm | barbsaka: | @galactadon Guess it would depend on whether the goal was to assess accuracy, or completing goal 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:33 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @michelleworgan: Although I let them use their books ! Open book testing… #eltchat |
| 12:33 pm | englishraven: | RT @Marisa_C: Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested – why individual? we’ve been doing everything in grps – so i LET them!! #ELTchat |
| 12:33 pm | esolcourses: | RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish Right — testing can actually help us teach better (if used the right way?) #ELTChat ] agree ( again 😉 |
| 12:33 pm | bruno_cesar82: | Gr8 point,Jess!RT @jessmcculloch: i think we need 2show them t value of othr ways just like we need 2show parents+school adm #eltchat |
| 12:33 pm | chucksandy: | @barbsaka: ” If we use tests as part of learning, not official performance, they look/feel different” But then that’s assessment #ELTChat |
| 12:33 pm | luthcal: | #ELTChat The idea of group evaluation is also good. |
| 12:34 pm | Mbarek: | testing should be aligned with teaching ; We test what we teach #eltchat |
| 12:34 pm | englishraven: | @Marisa_C I love the notion of Ss doing tests in groups! Task-based learning? 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:34 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @Marisa_C: Interestingly, they collaborated but didn’t just copy – results still reflected indiv differences #ELTchat |
| 12:34 pm | galactadon: | @ barbsaka Oh, goal completion is so much more valuable to me than accuracy, except at the highest levels. #eltchat |
| 12:34 pm | michelleworgan: | @JoshSRound Young teens take tests more seriously than self.assessment which they thing is easy way out! #eltchat |
| 12:34 pm | mmgrinberg: | @barbsaka #Eltchat I mean the feelings that both the Ts and the Ls have about what has been achieved. |
| 12:34 pm | rliberni: | @bcnpaul1 not sure about open-book testing in language dictionaries p’haps but it’s skill not knowledge #eltchat |
| 12:34 pm | barbsaka: | So, part of the challenge is to broaden parent, admin, and student awareness that there’s more than one way (and reason) to assess #eltchat |
| 12:34 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat <me 2 – SS like being experts |
| 12:34 pm | jessmcculloch: | @bruno_cesar82 i say that ’cause have had students ‘wonder when we are going to do real work’ rather than what we would consider .. #eltchat |
| 12:34 pm | barbsaka: | agree! RT @galactadon: @ barbsaka Oh, goal completion is so much more valuable to me than accuracy, except at the highest levels. #eltchat |
| 12:34 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @stopspanglish Testing’s diagnostic tool for t’s to learn what Ss don’t u’stand (& know what to teach better next time.) #ELTchat >agree |
| 12:34 pm | ALiCe__M: | @Marisa_C I like this ! communication means at least two people ! why test individuals? why test at all, really. #ELTchat |
| 12:34 pm | rliberni: | RT @michelleworgan: @JoshSRound Young teens take tests more seriously than self.assessment which they thing is easy way out! #eltchat |
| 12:34 pm | englishraven: | @stopspanglish How interesting might it be to announce to Ss “We’re having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been”? #ELTChat |
| 12:34 pm | fionamau: | RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat >> it’s the best way.They revise when creating tests,plus power-play.. |
| 12:34 pm | stopspanglish: | @englishraven : Yup! Get the exams, you start to mark, and… whoops! Looks like THAT one didn’t work! Back to the drawing board! #ELTchat |
| 12:35 pm | esolcourses: | I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s’s the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat |
| 12:35 pm | michelleworgan: | Oops, this is going so fast I’m retweeting my own tweet! Sorry! Mistake… #eltchat |
| 12:35 pm | englishraven: | RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s’s the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat |
| 12:35 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish How interesting might it be to announce to Ss “We’re having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been”? #ELTChat |
| 12:35 pm | jessmcculloch: | @bruno_cesar82 to be ‘good stuff.,’ and have seen them lap up the worksheets I despise. they have the system ingrained in them too #eltchat |
| 12:35 pm | chucksandy: | RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish How interesting might it be to announce to Ss “We’re having a test, to see how effective I (teacher) have been”? #ELTChat |
| 12:35 pm | rliberni: | RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as I it gives s’s the opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat |
| 12:35 pm | rliberni: | RT @fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat >> it’s the best way.They revise when creating tests,plus power-play.. |
| 12:35 pm | michelleworgan: | RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, as it gives ss opportunity to peer correct each other #ELTChat |
| 12:35 pm | SugarJo: | RT @Marisa_C: tests – why individual? we’ve been doing everything in grps – so i LET them!! #ELTchat I Works well in my context too |
| 12:35 pm | bcnpaul1: | @englishraven @stopspanglish Good idea! How effective a teacher I’ve been… although, er, it’s risky #eltchat |
| 12:36 pm | rliberni: | RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven @stopspanglish Good idea! How effective a teacher I’ve been… although, er, it’s risky #eltchat |
| 12:36 pm | barbsaka: | One of the greatest values I’ve found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:36 pm | michelleworgan: | RT @fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: I liked this idea of the Ss testing each other #ELTchat >> it’s the best way.They revise when creating tests |
| 12:36 pm | JoshSRound: | RT @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible, to peer correct each other #ELTChat Good idea |
| 12:36 pm | fionamau: | RT @englishraven: @stopspanglish testing can actually help us teach better #ELTChat >> or worse if we only teach 2 the exam |
| 12:36 pm | esolcourses: | RT @Marisa_C: Once I taught an ESP group & on day of test they protested – why individual? we’ve been doing everything in grps – so i LET them!! #ELTchat |
| 12:36 pm | cybraryman1: | RT @barbsaka: One of the greatest values I’ve found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:36 pm | rliberni: | RT @barbsaka: One of the greatest values I’ve found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:36 pm | englishraven: | I think good effective assessment is all about triangulation, and good tests under right conditions can be part of that. #ELTChat |
| 12:36 pm | chucksandy: | how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat |
| 12:36 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I like this ! communication means at least two people ! why test individuals? why test at all, really. #ELTchat |
| 12:37 pm | Mbarek: | RT @englishraven: I think good effective assessment is all about triangulation, and good tests under right conditions can be part of that. #ELTChat |
| 12:37 pm | englishraven: | RT @chucksandy: how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat |
| 12:37 pm | erikaosvath: | @michelleworgan: @esolcourses: I like to put learners in groups to do tests if possible >I prefer self-correct, so that they learn #ELTChat |
| 12:37 pm | chucksandy: | RT @SugarJo: RT @Marisa_C: tests – why individual? we’ve been doing everything in grps – so i LET them!! #ELTchat I Works well in my context too |
| 12:37 pm | JoshSRound: | @englishraven sorry, triangulation? #eltchat |
| 12:37 pm | rliberni: | As a tool for assessing the teaching/learning it’s valuable maybe time to find a new word for it? #eltchat |
| 12:37 pm | stopspanglish: | @bcnpaul1: Agreed. Pobody’s nerfect, especially teachers. Especially THIS one. #ELTchat. |
| 12:37 pm | SueannaN: | RT @esolcourses: I lk 2 put learners in groups 2 do tests if possible, > works well in teams/ Grammar auction type thingy #ELTChat |
| 12:37 pm | englishraven: | @chucksandy student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat |
| 12:37 pm | efl101: | benchmark test (vocab etc) helps sts monitor own progress and aids motivation? #ELTchat |
| 12:37 pm | michelleworgan: | @rliberni with open book tests the point is they are revising while doing the test – something my teen stds wouldn’t do otherwise.. #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | bruno_cesar82: | @jessmcculloch that’s the point! Some tchrs boost rivalry amongs sts through their grades. So sad. #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | efl101: | RT @chucksandy: how about collaborative testing: ss in groups come up with test questions for other groups who then work together to take the tests #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | rliberni: | @MartinWarters I agree I think there is maybe too much emphasis on competition – it’s not really valid at all ever! #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | sandymillin: | @MartinWarters @rliberni #ELTchat Perhaps to set personal goals in any form of assessment. No need for comparison w/other SS <great idea! |
| 12:38 pm | Marisa_C: | @bcnpaul1 Good tests are part of the evaluation of a course – problem is they are ONLY a tiny part not the WHOLE PIC #ELTchat |
| 12:38 pm | galactadon: | if communication is the primary goal in learning English (which it should be), then group/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | bruno_cesar82: | RT @barbsaka: One of the greatest values I’ve found in testing (formal or informal) is to check how well I did with teaching 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @SueannaN: RT @esolcourses: I lk 2 put learners in groups 2 do tests if possible, > works well in teams/ Grammar auction type thingy #ELTChat |
| 12:38 pm | englishraven: | @JoshSRound Triangulation = using more than one source and style of information to draw conclusions. #ELTChat |
| 12:38 pm | mmgrinberg: | RT @JoshSRound: @englishraven sorry, triangulation? #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: @chucksandy student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat |
| 12:38 pm | englishraven: | RT @galactadon: if communication is the primary goal in learning English (which it should be), then group/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch that’s the point! Some tchrs boost rivalry amongs sts through their grades. So sad.>very much so #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | esolcourses: | @erikaosvath self correction is good, but peer correction also gives speaking & listening practice (killing 2 birds with 1 stone!) #ELTChat |
| 12:38 pm | michelleworgan: | RT @galactadon: if communication is primary goal in learning Eng(which it should be), group/pair testing is really the only way. #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | kit2kat: | @SueAnnan not tested for #CELTA – just interview and mini teach with pre-course exercises which aren’t necc. reviewed #ELTChat |
| 12:38 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Good tests are part of the evaluation of a course – problem is they are ONLY a tiny part not the WHOLE PIC #ELTchat |
| 12:38 pm | agfigueiredo: | @englishraven @stopspanglish When sts don’t go well I tell them it’s OUR performance being measured #eltchat |
| 12:38 pm | bcnpaul1: | gd assessment shd give sts a chance to use all their language (learnt anywhere) in meaningful tasks not just lang. studied in class #eltchat |
| 12:39 pm | chucksandy: | @barbsaka: “One of the greatest values I’ve found in testing … is to check how well I did with teaching” Why not just ask them? #eltchat |
| 12:39 pm | janetbianchini: | I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat |
| 12:39 pm | rliberni: | RT @englishraven: @chucksandy student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I have ever seen. #ELTChat #eltchat |
| 12:39 pm | barbsaka: | RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat |
| 12:39 pm | englishraven: | RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat |
| 12:39 pm | StevenHerder: | @chucksandy #eltchat J Ss say they work harder knowing the score determines what uni they can join |
| 12:39 pm | Marisa_C: | @efl101 I like this idea of collaborative tests – groups against groups #eltchat |
| 12:39 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @englishraven: @JoshSRound Triangulation = using more than one source and style of information to draw conclusions. #ELTChat |
| 12:39 pm | JoshSRound: | @englishraven Thanks! #eltchat |
| 12:39 pm | rliberni: | @michelleworgan oh, I see now #eltchat |
| 12:39 pm | fionamau: | RT @Marisa_C: @efl101 I like this idea of collaborative tests – groups against groups #eltchat |
| 12:39 pm | juliaalling: | Brain research suggests that testing helps retention and acquisition of information/knowledge. It’s the form of the test that cts #Eltchat |
| 12:39 pm | barbsaka: | I also like tests that students can take until they get a perfect score–the video game approach to assessment #ELTChat |
| 12:39 pm | stopspanglish: | @rliberni : The useful thing about a “Test” is that once you do well at one, it can be a source of pride…AND motivation. #ELTchat |
| 12:39 pm | SueannaN: | @kit2kat but in interview you are ‘testing’ a set of applic. criteria #CELTA #ELTChat |
| 12:39 pm | bruno_cesar82: | Great idea!RT @sandymillin: RT @englishraven: @chucksandy st-created tests R some of the best (+ most creative/surprising) Ive seen #ELTChat |
| 12:39 pm | juliaalling: | RT @barbsaka: RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #ELTchat |
| 12:40 pm | esolcourses: | @SueAnnan yes, grammar auction type activities are fun! #ELTChat |
| 12:40 pm | rliberni: | RT @janetbianchini: I personally enjoy taking short, sharp tests for my own benefit to show me how I am getting on with a subject #eltchat |
| 12:40 pm | sandymillin: | RT @barbsaka: I also like tests that students can take until they get a perfect score–the video game approach to assessment #ELTChat |
| 12:40 pm | bcnpaul1: | @Marisa_C yes! and sts often think they can do nothing but cram for the test – i did that & look at me!! 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:40 pm | erikaosvath: | @esolcourses I think sts R ready 2 learn difft things, we or peers might not know wht the individuals learning priorities R #ELTChat |
| 12:40 pm | ALiCe__M: | @Marisa_C I don’t like this kind of “competition” with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat |
| 12:40 pm | barbsaka: | RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I don’t like this kind of “competition” with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat |
| 12:40 pm | sandymillin: | RT @ALiCe__M: @Marisa_C I don’t like this kind of “competition” with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat |
| 12:40 pm | englishraven: | @JoshSRound hence you might draw on self, peer, portfolio assessmnt alongside a test of some sort… see what it all shows together #ELTChat |
| 12:40 pm | stopspanglish: | Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn’t it?) #ELTchat |
| 12:40 pm | Mbarek: | Tests need credibility , diagnostic test should be able to give feedback on the level of learners #eltchat |
| 12:40 pm | sandymillin: | RT @stopspanglish: Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn’t it?) #ELTchat |
| 12:41 pm | jessmcculloch: | @erikaosvath @bruno_cesar82 yes, and our crooms should definitely not be about competition. No wonder so many kids hate school! #eltchat |
| 12:41 pm | SugarJo: | RT @ALiCe__M I don’t like this kind of “competition” with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat YES! |
| 12:41 pm | galactadon: | @janetbianchini “short sharp tests on how you’re doing” : sounds like studying to me. Does it count as a test if self-administered? #eltchat |
| 12:41 pm | efl101: | trick maybe identify sts who respond to/need tests and others for whom it is a nightmare! #ELTchat |
| 12:41 pm | chucksandy: | @englishraven “student-created tests are some of the best (and most creative/surprising) I’ve seen” Agree. great learning activity #eltchat |
| 12:41 pm | englishraven: | Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don’t need to test them after that… 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:41 pm | rliberni: | @stopspanglish I agree with this but this is also personal & there isn’t much validity in comparisons with s/one else #eltchat |
| 12:41 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat Has anyone had any success with online testing? How do SS respond? |
| 12:41 pm | janetbianchini: | RT @JuliaAlling Brain research suggests testing helps retention &acquisition of information/knowledge. It’s form of test that cts #Eltchat |
| 12:41 pm | barbsaka: | @ALiCe__M I have a few students that would totally shut down in a test situation, but quite competent otherwise. #ELTchat |
| 12:41 pm | JoshSRound: | @englishraven and get a more rounded picture of progress/performance…Yep, v good idea #eltchat |
| 12:41 pm | englishraven: | RT @SugarJo: RT @ALiCe__M I don’t like this kind of “competition” with communication and language, it can B stressful for the weakest #ELTchat YES! |
| 12:41 pm | erikaosvath: | See, so many different types of preferences in testing. Can we do the same in our teaching? #ELTChat |
| 12:41 pm | bcnpaul1: | @ALiCe__M I agree – language learning shdn’t be a competition with yr peers – it shd be enjoyable & rewarding #eltchat |
| 12:41 pm | rliberni: | RT @stopspanglish: Shades of Kant: Is the test the means to an end, or the end itself? (It *was* Kant, wasn’t it?) #ELTchat #eltchat |
| 12:41 pm | sandymillin: | RT @efl101: trick maybe identify sts who respond to/need tests and others for whom it is a nightmare! #ELTchat <differentiated testing 🙂 |
| 12:41 pm | Marisa_C: | @ALiCe__M It’s not a competition unless the teacher creates this type of atmosphere #ELTchat |
| 12:41 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don’t need to test them after that… 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:41 pm | SueannaN: | @esolcourses have you seen book ‘is that what you mean’? #ELTChat |
| 12:42 pm | barbsaka: | @sandymillin They like online “quizzes” especially when they’ree game-like #eltchat |
| 12:42 pm | ALiCe__M: | @barbsaka OUI I”ve seen that so many times !! (and I only teach adults) #ELTchat |
| 12:42 pm | englishraven: | RT @Marisa_C: @ALiCe__M It’s not a competition unless the teacher creates this type of atmosphere #ELTchat |
| 12:42 pm | michelleworgan: | Is stds create tests do you give them ideas 4 type of exercises or Qs? With YLs it may be “see who can make a test no-one can do!” #eltchat |
| 12:42 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @englishraven: Great thing about student-generated tests is that you really don’t need to test them after that… 🙂 >agree !#ELTChat |
| 12:42 pm | efl101: | too often test stops with marking – analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat |
| 12:42 pm | galactadon: | @sandymillin we do an absolute ton of online testing in my company (all of it actually) Can be less stressful: take test at home #eltchat |
| 12:42 pm | ALiCe__M: | @Marisa_C No, Marisa, students create competition themselves, beleive me !! #ELTchat |
| 12:43 pm | JoshSRound: | @bcnpaul1 @ALiCe__M competition works if set up as a fun element; of course teens may take this too far, but good with adults #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | englishraven: | RT @galactadon: @sandymillin we do an absolute ton of online testing in my company (all of it actually) Can be less stressful: take test at home #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | sandymillin: | RT @efl101: too often test stops with marking – analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat <definitely! But then r u teaching to the test? |
| 12:43 pm | Marisa_C: | @bcnpaul1 I was raised in a cram-for-the-test education culture & know how well u cn do on tests & still know nothing the next day #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | barbsaka: | @michelleworgan Fun idea, Michelle! #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | bruno_cesar82: | @jessmcculloch @erikaosvath Perhaps tests are the reason why so many students hate school. food for thought. #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | rliberni: | With testing we need to identify the reason, negotiate the follow-up and start early on so that they become ‘everyday’ #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | agfigueiredo: | RT @efl101: too often test stops with marking – analysis and feedback = essential > Indeed! #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | stopspanglish: | One issue teaching in Spain: anything < 100% is a disaster. Need to keep reminding them: It’s language, it’s inherently imperfect. #ELTchat |
| 12:43 pm | michelleworgan: | After a test do u go over problematic areas in susbequent classes? I think this is really important #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | JoshSRound: | RT @efl101: too often test stops with marking – analysis and feedback = essential #ELTchat Often the feedback not effective or rushed |
| 12:43 pm | erikaosvath: | RT @bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch @erikaosvath Perhaps tests R the reason y so many students h8 skool. food 4 thought.>agree #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I was raised in a cram-for-the-test education culture & know how well u cn do on tests & still know nothing the next day #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | efl101: | RT @JoshSRound: @bcnpaul1 @ALiCe__M competition works if set up as a fun element; of course teens may take this too far, but good with adults #eltchat |
| 12:43 pm | mmgrinberg: | #Eltchat Can we measure anything at all or are we only looking at tests from motivating / demotivating perspective? |
| 12:43 pm | ALiCe__M: | @JoshSRound well, I would not be so affirmative. Some adults can be very competitive too #ELTchat |
| 12:44 pm | Marisa_C: | @ALiCe__M Then mark the testers as well for fairness and designing good questions #ELTchat |
| 12:44 pm | bcnpaul1: | @JoshSRound agree, competiton in class activites is gd, bt not when success on the course is always about being better than another #eltchat |
| 12:44 pm | barbsaka: | RT @stopspanglish: One issue teaching in Spain: anything < 100% is a disaster. Need to remind them: It’s language, it’s imperfect. #ELTchat |
| 12:44 pm | SueannaN: | RT @bcnpaul1: @JoshSRound agree, competiton in class activites is gd, bt not when success on the course is always about being better than another #eltchat |
| 12:44 pm | esolcourses: | @erikaosvath accept yr point, but with good planning & grouping students appropriately, can work well (generally does 4 me, anyway) #ELTChat |
| 12:44 pm | englishraven: | @Marisa_C I know a raven who got 87% on an official Yr 12 Eng Lit exam, with two (of 5) essays abt books he hadn’t even read… #ELTChat |
| 12:44 pm | barbsaka: | @stopspanglish Problem in Asia, too! #ELTchat |
| 12:44 pm | rliberni: | I’m coming round to more of a coaching point of view I think it’s more supportive of learning but I don’t have to b accountable #eltchat |
| 12:44 pm | jessmcculloch: | @bruno_cesar82 well, imagine how we would feel as staff if we were compared to each other with some of us rewarded?! eewww… #eltchat |
| 12:44 pm | ALiCe__M: | @Marisa_C eheh ! and who would mark the testers’ testers ? #ELTchat |
| 12:44 pm | efl101: | @sandymillin teaching to test = tricky if test formal requirement then we have to don’t we? #ELTchat |
| 12:44 pm | michelleworgan: | We need to try and get stds to realise that a mark or test result isn’t the be all and end all #eltchat |
| 12:44 pm | barbsaka: | RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat Can we measure anything at all or are we only looking at tests from motivating / demotivating perspective? |
| 12:45 pm | kit2kat: | @SueAnnan I was the applicant 🙂 – impression is they focus on motivation for EFL & classroom presence… #CELTA #ELTChat |
| 12:45 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat If teaching at a school, does your school monitor tests / set them or is it up to teachers? |
| 12:45 pm | Marisa_C: | @englishraven Pleased to meet you – now I know why we are friends – we have good test adrenali reaction #ELTChat |
| 12:45 pm | janetbianchini: | Bit behind #ELTchat – pack of wild dogs just went past house – had to check on the chickens – Kelly barked the pack off the land – phew!! |
| 12:45 pm | sandymillin: | RT @jessmcculloch: @bruno_cesar82 well, imagine how we would feel as staff if we were compared to each other with some of us rewarded?! eewww… #eltchat |
| 12:45 pm | barbsaka: | @rliberni Yes, I feel the same, and lucky that I don’t have to answer to admin 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:45 pm | SueannaN: | @kit2kat Trinity have discrete tests #CELTA #ELTChat |
| 12:45 pm | galactadon: | if you don’t want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn’t be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat |
| 12:45 pm | efl101: | @JoshSRound sad but true – lots of learning from mistakes potential missed #ELTchat |
| 12:45 pm | Marisa_C: | @ALiCe__M You are testing my patience !!! 😀 #ELTchat |
| 12:46 pm | erikaosvath: | sry, got 2 go back 2 work. hre’s 1 procedure of testing that has worked 4 me. sry abt the linkhttp://bit.ly/dQspvE #ELTChat |
| 12:46 pm | englishraven: | Let’s not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is very wishful thinking to many teachers… Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat |
| 12:46 pm | JoshSRound: | @bcnpaul1 yep, wdn’t want to stress competition among peers when success on course or in test is pivotal in some way #eltchat |
| 12:46 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat At my school we have folder of tests made by teachers, but don’t think any1 ever looks at them 2nd time – one use only! New each yr |
| 12:46 pm | ALiCe__M: | @michelleworgan problem is when they’ve spent their lives thinking my mark=myself=my value in life #ELTchat |
| 12:46 pm | barbsaka: | RT @englishraven: Let’s not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is wishful thinking to many Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat |
| 12:46 pm | janetbianchini: | RT @SueAnnan @esolcourses have you seen book ‘is that what you mean’? #ELTChat – I love it! I use it a lot! Love the cartoons! |
| 12:46 pm | Marisa_C: | @sandymillin It would be good for a school to have a database of test items – surely possible now? #eltchat |
| 12:46 pm | edumazing: | RT @bruno_cesar82: @jessmcculloch @erikaosvath Perhaps tests are the reason why so many students hate school. food for thought. #eltchat |
| 12:46 pm | chucksandy: | RT @galactadon: if you don’t want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn’t be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat |
| 12:46 pm | rliberni: | RT @englishraven: @Marisa_C I know a raven got 87% on an off Yr 12 Eng Lit ex, with 2/5 essays abt bks he hadn’t read. #eltchat |
| 12:46 pm | erikaosvath: | Bye everyone, gr8 chat. Sorry for having to leave! See ya next time 🙂 Special thanks to the moderators! #ELTChat |
| 12:47 pm | sandymillin: | @efl101: Agreed – I teach Cambridge exams and have to analyse, but is it better to focus on lang or exam skills? #ELTchat |
| 12:47 pm | SueannaN: | @janetbianchini It’s great for students to test themselves too #ELTChat |
| 12:47 pm | bcnpaul1: | @sandymillin teachers designed our assessment projects, which are evaluated by teachers each yr and adapted if necessary. #eltchat |
| 12:47 pm | rliberni: | @englishraven in ur Yr 12 experience u rest our case! #eltchat |
| 12:47 pm | bruno_cesar82: | #eltchat it’s important that if sts are tested they get the appropriate feedback on it.whether +or-. some schools don’t even care abt it |
| 12:47 pm | sandymillin: | RT @galactadon: if you don’t want students to pay attention to the grade on a test, seems like they shouldn’t be graded, or graded in another way #eltchat |
| 12:47 pm | englishraven: | @rliberni Yes, I do prove your and @Marisa_C ‘s point! 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:47 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: Let’s not forget that a lot of what we are discussing here is very wishful thinking to many teachers… Testing rules most roosts #ELTChat |
| 12:47 pm | michelleworgan: | @englishraven Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren’t so therefore not reliable? #eltchat |
| 12:48 pm | jessmcculloch: | @bruno_cesar82 also, tests themselves are not necessarily the problem- the value and emphasis placed on them is #eltchat |
| 12:48 pm | rliberni: | @Tricia617 accountable to my stds but not to any external ‘official’ body #eltchat |
| 12:48 pm | Marisa_C: | Well, we haven’t mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions – some Ss just not able to focus – paralysed during tests #ELTchat |
| 12:48 pm | tmkhr: | RT @bruno_cesar82: #eltchat it’s important that if sts are tested they get the appropriate feedback on it.whether +or-. some schools don’t even care abt it |
| 12:48 pm | efl101: | @sandymillin hopefully lang = focus coz test = lang but… student expectations = role here #ELTchat |
| 12:48 pm | esolcourses: | @janetbianchini @SueAnnan no, I haven’t seen the book – will scope it out sometime – thanks 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:48 pm | ESLMadrid: | I’m new here #eltchat |
| 12:48 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin good 2 hav a database of test items #eltchat <trying 2 start it, but we hav 2 comps / 30 teachers & sm resist |
| 12:48 pm | englishraven: | @michelleworgan Well, I don’t know about “good at tests”… good at poorly designed tests perhaps! 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 12:48 pm | luthcal: | RT @barbsaka: @rliberni Yes, I feel the same, and lucky that I don’t have to answer to admin 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:49 pm | sandymillin: | RT @michelleworgan: @englishraven Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren’t so therefore not reliable? #eltchat |
| 12:49 pm | englishraven: | RT @Marisa_C: Well, we haven’t mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions – some Ss just not able to focus – paralysed during tests #ELTchat |
| 12:49 pm | galactadon: | Isn’t part of the discomfort on tests that language is messy while tests are rigid? Do you feel this way about math tests? #eltchat |
| 12:49 pm | ALiCe__M: | @barbsaka co-assessment I find very helpful, both for students and my teaching #ELTchat |
| 12:49 pm | luthcal: | RT @michelleworgan: @englishraven Yes, some people are good uder pressure in test conditions, others aren’t so therefore not reliable? #eltchat |
| 12:49 pm | efl101: | @Marisa_C true can be real problem for some very good students – just freeze up in tests #ELTchat |
| 12:49 pm | esolcourses: | RT @Marisa_C we haven’t mentioned the sychological factors in test conditions – some Ss just not able to focus during tests #ELTchat |
| 12:49 pm | sandymillin: | RT @ESLMadrid: I’m new here #eltchat Welcome! What do you think of SS testing? Should we do it? How? |
| 12:49 pm | Marisa_C: | Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat |
| 12:49 pm | barbsaka: | Test taking definitely a skill set–I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven’t started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat |
| 12:50 pm | englishraven: | RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat |
| 12:50 pm | Mbarek: | lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | bcnpaul1: | @ESLMadrid welcome to #eltchat – it’s great 🙂 |
| 12:50 pm | michelleworgan: | @Marisa_C Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | rliberni: | I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests – if you can do it you can do it #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | bruno_cesar82: | #eltchat what to do when your institution does not allow student failure? |
| 12:50 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat |
| 12:50 pm | esolcourses: | RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat ] Same here |
| 12:50 pm | sandymillin: | RT @barbsaka: Test taking definitely a skill set–I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven’t started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat |
| 12:50 pm | chucksandy: | @ESLMadrid: welcome! #eltchat consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | englishraven: | @Marisa_C Right, which is why I think triangulation becomes so important for assessment. #ELTChat |
| 12:50 pm | sandymillin: | RT @Mbarek: lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | Marisa_C: | @michelleworgan are we supposed to also cover this? 😀 #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | SueannaN: | RT @chucksandy: @ESLMadrid: welcome! #eltchat consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | barbsaka: | @bruno_cesar82 I used to separate assessment (for me) and testing (for school–everyone passed!) #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | JoshSRound: | RT @michelleworgan: @Marisa_C Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat Yep agree |
| 12:50 pm | stopspanglish: | @Marisa_C : Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, it’s not humiliation. It’s a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me.” #ELTChat |
| 12:50 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @rliberni: I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests – if you can do it you can do it #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | sandymillin: | RT @michelleworgan: @Marisa_C Yes, that was my point, Marisa! Then again, is being under pressure a skill for life? #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | SueannaN: | RT @Mbarek: lots of my ss learn only for tests and grades not for life #eltchat |
| 12:50 pm | janetbianchini: | @SueAnnan Yes, I agree. Students testing each other orally is something I do quite often – it seems to work + they enjoy it #ELTchat |
| 12:50 pm | ALiCe__M: | @barbsaka YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat |
| 12:51 pm | englishraven: | RT @chucksandy: @ESLMadrid: welcome! #eltchat consists of some of the friendliest people around. Enjoy! #eltchat > Totally agree! Welcome! |
| 12:51 pm | chucksandy: | RT @rliberni: I also feel that we intellectualise the teaching of language far too much hence the tests – if you can do it you can do it #eltchat |
| 12:51 pm | englishraven: | RT @janetbianchini: @SueAnnan Yes, I agree. Students testing each other orally is something I do quite often – it seems to work + they enjoy it #ELTchat |
| 12:51 pm | sandymillin: | RT @bruno_cesar82: #eltchat what to do when your institution does not allow student failure? < cry! Depends on if SS still move up or not. |
| 12:51 pm | englishraven: | RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, it’s not humiliation. It’s a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me.” #ELTChat |
| 12:51 pm | michelleworgan: | @Marisa_C Haha no but is taking away tests making everything too far into the comfort zone? #eltchat |
| 12:51 pm | englishraven: | RT @ALiCe__M: @barbsaka YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat |
| 12:51 pm | bruno_cesar82: | #eltchat I used to freak out on tests day. But not w some tchrs who would make me feel comfortable in testing me.there was no gotcha factor |
| 12:51 pm | sandymillin: | RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, it’s not humiliation. It’s a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me.” #ELTChat |
| 12:51 pm | Mbarek: | RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, it’s not humiliation. It’s a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me.” #ELTChat |
| 12:51 pm | barbsaka: | @michelleworgan A fine line to walk #eltchat |
| 12:51 pm | efl101: | @Marisa_C question is how to help exam shy sts? #ELTchat |
| 12:52 pm | esolcourses: | @JoshSRound @Marisa_C to perform under pressure requires confidence… bit of a catch-22 for s’s who have yet to pass an exam #ELTChat |
| 12:52 pm | Marisa_C: | @michelleworgan Well no but we do have to take that into account when setting up a test to take away the fear #eltchat |
| 12:52 pm | sandymillin: | RT @efl101: @Marisa_C question is how to help exam shy sts? #ELTchat |
| 12:52 pm | bcnpaul1: | RT @Marisa_C: Have seen many good students (AND teachers being tested) who just lose it completely during tests #ELTchat |
| 12:52 pm | edumazing: | Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat |
| 12:52 pm | rliberni: | Afraid I have to duck out – sorry- enjoy the rest of the chat! Thanks to gr8 moderators @englishraven@barbsaka & @marisa_c #eltchat |
| 12:52 pm | luthcal: | #ELTChat Collaboration is essential also for assessment. Ss produce together and have opportunity to learn again. |
| 12:52 pm | englishraven: | Mmm, how many teachers test versus how many teachers test and support with strategies? #ELTChat |
| 12:52 pm | ALiCe__M: | @michelleworgan for some teachers the comfort zone is in testing like breathing #ELTchat |
| 12:52 pm | janetbianchini: | RT @stopspanglish: @Marisa_C : Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, it’s not humiliation. It’s a challenge: challenges bring out the best in me.” #ELTChat |
| 12:53 pm | sandymillin: | RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat |
| 12:53 pm | englishraven: | RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat |
| 12:53 pm | barbsaka: | RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat |
| 12:53 pm | MASHinEFL: | RT @stopspanglish: Sports psych: “A test is not punishment, not humiliation. It’s a challenge: and brings out the best in me.” #ELTChat YES |
| 12:53 pm | Mbarek: | @englishraven I agree with u ,especially in project work #ELTChat |
| 12:53 pm | chucksandy: | RT @luthcal: #ELTChat Collaboration is essential also for assessment. Ss produce together and have opportunity to learn again. |
| 12:53 pm | JoshSRound: | @esolcourses @Marisa_C agree, bt tests can go from low importance to higher in stages 2 build confidence & ability to deal w press #eltchat |
| 12:53 pm | englishraven: | RT @barbsaka: Test taking definitely a skill set–I notice a huge difference between 8 yo (haven’t started testing in school) vs 12 yo (experts!) #ELTchat |
| 12:54 pm | kit2kat: | @SueAnnan that’s interesting, I’d be interested to know how much #CELTA courses differ… #ELTChat |
| 12:54 pm | MartinWarters: | RT @ALiCe__M: @barbsaka YES ! skill test is the fifth skill ! #ELTchat |
| 12:54 pm | ESLMadrid: | #eltchat thank you all, I feel very welcomed 😛 I am trying to catch up with the conversation. |
| 12:54 pm | luthcal: | #ELTChat We should not consider that school description anymore. Although it has been for long time. |
| 12:54 pm | mmgrinberg: | #Eltchat It’s hard to avoid using tests as a disciplinary measure |
| 12:54 pm | sandymillin: | #eltchat Any suggestions on relaxation techniques for stressed SS during compulsory testing? e.g. school-leaving exams |
| 12:54 pm | esolcourses: | RT @englishraven: Mmm, how many teachers test versus how many teachers test & support with strategies? #ELTChat ] I do test+ strategies |
| 12:54 pm | SueannaN: | @ESLMadrid there will be a transcript later that you can read #eltchat |
| 12:54 pm | Marisa_C: | @rliberni thanks BErni!!!! Have a great day #eltchat |
| 12:54 pm | ALiCe__M: | @englishraven stop testing us !! #ELTchat |
| 12:55 pm | sandymillin: | RT @esolcourses: RT @englishraven: #ELTChat ] I do test+ strategies – me2 |
| 12:55 pm | englishraven: | RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat It’s hard to avoid using tests as a disciplinary measure > Wow, now that (to me) is testing gone real bad… |
| 12:55 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @barbsaka: @sandymillin In Texas tchrs used to teach relaxation techniques and do cheers in class 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:55 pm | SueannaN: | RT @englishraven: RT @mmgrinberg: #Eltchat It’s hard to avoid using tests as a disciplinary measure > Wow, now that (to me) is testing gone real bad… |
| 12:55 pm | luthcal: | #ELTChat Test+strategies for sure |
| 12:55 pm | galactadon: | what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, you only advance to the next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat |
| 12:55 pm | bcnpaul1: | @englishraven @esolcourses that’s it – support during assessment is a big factor and shd be encouragd #eltchat |
| 12:55 pm | sandymillin: | RT @galactadon: what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, you only advance to the next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat |
| 12:55 pm | englishraven: | @ALiCe__M LOL! Could actually be an interesting point there… #ELTChat |
| 12:56 pm | StevenHerder: | At HS EFL in Japan, we do 50% effort/prep and 50% delivery for a variety of posters, speeches, skits – works well. #ELTchat |
| 12:56 pm | esolcourses: | @JoshSRound @Marisa_C think that kind of thing can work with YL’s, but can be more difficult to apply with adults #ELTChat |
| 12:56 pm | Marisa_C: | I shall start practising affirmations then before every test – think it will work with a DELTA final ? 😀 #ELTchat |
| 12:56 pm | barbsaka: | RT @galactadon: what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, advance to next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat |
| 12:56 pm | englishraven: | RT @StevenHerder: At HS EFL in Japan, we do 50% effort/prep and 50% delivery for a variety of posters, speeches, skits – works well. #ELTchat |
| 12:56 pm | SueannaN: | @Marisa_C LOL #ELTchat |
| 12:56 pm | bcnpaul1: | @ESLMadrid the transcript is always available afterwards www.eltchat.com #eltchat |
| 12:56 pm | efl101: | @sandymillin alcohol? #ELTchat |
| 12:56 pm | englishraven: | @StevenHerder Sounds like a model of good/effective practice to me… #ELTChat |
| 12:56 pm | barbsaka: | @Marisa_C Let us know how that goes. “I am a competent and creative teacher” 🙂 #ELTchat |
| 12:56 pm | englishraven: | RT @barbsaka: RT @galactadon: what about tests as a reward? Like in the role playing games, advance to next challenge through completing tasks. #eltchat |
| 12:56 pm | bruno_cesar82: | @sandymillin @barbsaka I hate the financial factor linked w tests: if sts fail they’ll drop out and adms will lose money. #eltchat what2do? |
| 12:56 pm | mmgrinberg: | @sandymillin #Eltchat Ask them to feel MORE stressed during preparation. This will help them to regain control at test time |
| 12:56 pm | Marisa_C: | @efl101 that’s my suggestons for before TPs #ELTchat |
| 12:56 pm | JoshSRound: | RT @efl101: @sandymillin alcohol? #ELTchat perfect for speaking tests!! |
| 12:56 pm | esolcourses: | RT @Marisa_C: RT @barbsaka: @sandymillin In Texas tchrs used to teach relaxation techniques and do cheers in class 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:56 pm | sandymillin: | RT @efl101: @sandymillin alcohol? #ELTchat < recommended to 14 y.o’s at school? (pre-GCSE level!) 🙂 |
| 12:57 pm | Marisa_C: | @esolcourses Te he he #eltchat |
| 12:57 pm | bcnpaul1: | @galactadon what a great idea – do you have any role-play games for edu that do that?! could be a project #eltchat |
| 12:57 pm | englishraven: | RT @sandymillin: RT @efl101: @sandymillin alcohol? #ELTchat < recommended to 14 y.o’s at school? (pre-GCSE level!) 🙂 >S’thing in that! |
| 12:57 pm | janetbianchini: | RT @sandymillin RT @esolcourses: RT @englishraven #ELTChat dI do test+strategies- me2 +me2! Strategies are a vital part to build confidence |
| 12:57 pm | bruno_cesar82: | RT @edumazing: Tests+no technology+teacher directed learning+authority+lack of understanding+no connection+no choices=I hate school #eltchat |
| 12:57 pm | luthcal: | #ELTChat In Brazil it’s 50/50, too. |
| 12:57 pm | stopspanglish: | Stella Cottrell’s study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter, not just study more. #ELTchat |
| 12:58 pm | barbsaka: | Thanks for the creative ideas–I think I’ll have my older students create a test instead of taking one. Learn as much but more fun! #ELTchat |
| 12:58 pm | sandymillin: | RT @stopspanglish: Stella Cottrell’s study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter, not just study more. #ELTchat |
| 12:58 pm | efl101: | @JoshSRound @Marisa_C @sandymillin works for me … hic… #ELTchat |
| 12:58 pm | StevenHerder: | RT @stopspanglish: Stella Cottrell’s study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter… #ELTchat |
| 12:58 pm | galactadon: | not the topic today, but there aren’t enough immersive English learning games out there. God knows there’s a market for them. #eltchat |
| 12:58 pm | chucksandy: | 1 thing i love about #eltchat is great new connections 🙂 thanks @michelleworgan@eslmadrid@ALiCe__M |
| 12:58 pm | mmgrinberg: | @sandymillin #Eltchat This is what is called anxiety-growing techniques. Present it as a joke. It works! |
| 12:59 pm | barbsaka: | RT @chucksandy: 1 thing i love about #eltchat is great new connections 🙂 thanks @michelleworgan@eslmadrid@ALiCe__M |
| 12:59 pm | englishraven: | Roleplay… game…. tests… leveling up as reward in the game… Somebody’s been spying on my current project! #ELTChat |
| 12:59 pm | chucksandy: | RT @StevenHerder: RT @stopspanglish: Stella Cottrell’s study skills book (Palgrave): EXCELLENT resource to help students study smarter… #ELTchat |
| 12:59 pm | luthcal: | Ss preparing their own tests? Great! I’ll give it a try. #eltchat |
| 12:59 pm | Marisa_C: | RT @chucksandy: 1 thing i love about #eltchat is great new connections 🙂 thanks @michelleworgan@eslmadrid @ALiCe__M > me too 🙂 |
| 12:59 pm | ALiCe__M: | @barbsaka what about create an activity, such as psychological tests : very fun to do #ELTchat |
| 12:59 pm | SueannaN: | RT @englishraven: Roleplay… game…. tests… leveling up as reward in the game… Somebody’s been spying on my current project! #ELTChat |
| 12:59 pm | englishraven: | RT @luthcal: Ss preparing their own tests? Great! I’ll give it a try. #eltchat > Prepare to be surprised! |
| 12:59 pm | bcnpaul1: | ok – have to go. thanks @rliberni @marisa_c @englishraven @barbsaka for lovely moderating & thx all for another motivating #eltchat lovely! |
| 12:59 pm | michelleworgan: | @chucksandy Yes, I’ve just added lots of new peeps to follow 🙂 #eltchat |
| 12:59 pm | barbsaka: | @ALiCe__M That’s a good idea, too! #ELTchat |
| 12:59 pm | janetbianchini: | @barbsaka I highly recommend it – they will be delighted to be given the control and responsibility of creating their very own test #ELTChat |
| 12:59 pm | sandymillin: | RT @janetbianchini: @barbsaka I highly recommend it – they will be delighted to be given the control and responsibility of creating their very own test #ELTChat |
| 1:00 pm | barbsaka: | Me too! RT @michelleworgan: @chucksandy Yes, I’ve just added lots of new peeps to follow 🙂 #eltchat |
| 1:00 pm | englishraven: | @bcnpaul1 Good to have you here again. Have a good one! #ELTChat |
| 1:00 pm | chucksandy: | @ stopspanglish “Stella Cottrell’s study skills book (Palgrave)” do you have link for that? sounds interesting #eltchat |
| 1:00 pm | Marisa_C: | @bcnpaul1 thanks for joining Paul, see you later 🙂 #eltchat |
| 1:00 pm | efl101: | great #ELTchat thanks to all |
| 1:00 pm | luthcal: | Thank you all. Learned a hundred new concepts, ideas techies. #eltchat |
| 1:00 pm | englishraven: | @stopspanglish Nah… Just share it about, I reckon! 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 1:00 pm | mmgrinberg: | Thanks for a wonderful #Eltchat. It was my first one. So, sorry for being inappropriate / slow to respond / etc. |
| 1:00 pm | agfigueiredo: | RT @luthcal: Ss preparing their own tests? Great! Ill give it a try.>Me 2 #eltchat |
| 1:00 pm | barbsaka: | Thanks everyone! I had a great time 🙂 #eltchat |
| 1:00 pm | ALiCe__M: | @barbsaka then you end up with lots of psychological tests made by students #ELTchat |
| 1:00 pm | bruno_cesar82: | #eltchat creative work is incredibly difficult,and there’s where the tests lie. How to test creativity? |
| 1:00 pm | sandymillin: | @chucksandy #eltchat Stella Cottrell’s book: amazon link http://amzn.to/gGQxwd |
| 1:00 pm | michelleworgan: | This #eltchat hour goes so quickly! Thanks everyone, has been a great conversation! |
| 1:00 pm | stopspanglish: | The Test Whisperer: students pick up on our energies regarding testing and decide whether to be positive or defensive? #ELTchat |
| 1:01 pm | galactadon: | thanks folks. Fun first eltchat for me. #eltchat |
| 1:01 pm | JoshSRound: | Thanks again #eltchat -ters and moderators, another thought-provoking session |
| 1:01 pm | barbsaka: | RT @stopspanglish: The Test Whisperer: students pick up on our energies re testing and decide whether to be positive or defensive? #ELTchat |
| 1:01 pm | englishraven: | Time flies when you’re having fun… and when @barbsaka is a chat’s guest moderator. Thanks Barb!!! #ELTChat |
| 1:01 pm | Marisa_C: | Well thank you everyone for participating in a great chat! Special thanks to my co moderators for today @englishraven & @riberni #ELTchat |
| 1:01 pm | barbsaka: | @englishraven I had a blast! #ELTChat |
| 1:01 pm | sandymillin: | RT @JoshSRound: Thanks again #eltchat -ters and moderators, another thought-provoking session |
| 1:01 pm | janetbianchini: | Thanks @rliberni @marisa_c @englishraven @barbsaka for fantastic moderating – really enjoyed it as usual – very motivational #eltchat |
| 1:01 pm | lydbury: | Sorry to have missed it. Nuisance this teaching! @Marisa_C #ELTchat |
| 1:01 pm | mmgrinberg: | RT @Marisa_C: Well thank you everyone for participating in a great chat! Special thanks to my co moderators for today @englishraven & @riberni #ELTchat |
| 1:02 pm | chucksandy: | @ sandymillin #eltchat Stella Cottrell’s book: amazon link http://amzn.to/gGQxwd thanks so much! |
| 1:02 pm | esolcourses: | Thanks for another great #ELTChat, everyone, with special thanks to today’s moderators @englishraven@Marisa_C @barbsaka |
| 1:02 pm | barbsaka: | @Marisa_C Blush 🙂 #eltchat |
| 1:02 pm | luthcal: | Applause!!! #eltchat |
| 1:02 pm | sandymillin: | RT @lydbury: Sorry to have missed it. Nuisance this teaching! #ELTchat <gets in the way of talking about it 🙂 |
| 1:02 pm | chucksandy: | @stopspanglish: “the test whisperer” I love it! #eltchat |
| 1:02 pm | SueannaN: | Well done everyone, again #ELTchat |
| 1:02 pm | SugarJo: | Thank you #ELTchat you certainly tested my rusty twitter fingers |
| 1:03 pm | englishraven: | Remember all newbies to #ELTChat … it’s a whirl, it’s fast and fragmented. But our chats are about sparks. See if you can start some fires |
| 1:03 pm | mmgrinberg: | @englishraven #Eltchat You haven’t been to a Russian secondary school (( |
| 1:03 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: Remember all newbies to #ELTChat … it’s a whirl, it’s fast and fragmented. But our chats are about sparks. See if you can start some fires |
| 1:03 pm | bruno_cesar82: | #eltchat Thank you all for the great convo! Really thought provoking. |
| 1:03 pm | mmgrinberg: | @erikaosvath #Eltchat Totally agree with you, Erika! |
| 1:03 pm | luthcal: | Thank you!! D englishraven #eltchat |
| 1:04 pm | janetbianchini: | Got to get back to my chickens now – I think one is missing! Thanks for the great chat everyone!! #ELTChat See you all next week.. |
| 1:04 pm | englishraven: | Thanks to my fabulous co-mods @rliberni @Marisa_C @barbsaka Another interesting session! #ELTChat |
| 1:04 pm | agfigueiredo: | @Marisa_C @englishraven @riberni Great chat everybody…I’m a bit slow as a newbie but just loved it =) #eltchat |
| 1:04 pm | barbsaka: | And, there WILL be a transcript, later on http://eltchat.com/ right? Easier to dig out links! #eltchat |
| 1:04 pm | Marisa_C: | Thank you to all who joined in – what a great buzz that was!!! The transcript will be up soon #ELTchat |
| 1:04 pm | daylemajor: | @englishraven tests show who are good at taking tests. Ever had students who ace language tests yet struggle to communicate? #ELTChat |
| 1:05 pm | Marisa_C: | If there are any takers to write up the sumary of this chat I would love you to bits #ELTchat |
| 1:05 pm | englishraven: | RT @Marisa_C: If there are any takers to write up the sumary of this chat I would love you to bits #ELTchat |
| 1:05 pm | interactivecup: | That was a great session #ELTchat ! I always enjoy learning from your tweets! |
| 1:05 pm | sandymillin: | RT @barbsaka: And, there WILL be a transcript, later on http://eltchat.com/ right? Easier to dig out links! #eltchat |
| 1:05 pm | edumazing: | The word ‘testing’ is a problem in itself. Negative emotions even before students begin answering questions which affects results #eltchat |
| 1:06 pm | englishraven: | @daylemajor Absolutely… but unfortunately we’ve just wound up the chat! Hope to see you an hour earlier next week, Dayle! #ELTChat |
| 1:06 pm | sandymillin: | @Marisa_C #eltchat I’ll do it if no-one else can. Might take a bit longer this time as back at work! |
| 1:06 pm | sarah_SKB: | My students asked on first day – please test us every week. But I make sure we also have ongoing projects to test other skills #ELTChat |
| 1:06 pm | englishraven: | @adhockley Glad you liked it 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 1:06 pm | Marisa_C: | no one wants to be loved by us @englishraven #ELTChat |
| 1:06 pm | SueannaN: | @Marisa_C I can do it if you send me the transcript #ELTChat |
| 1:07 pm | englishraven: | @sandymillin Fantastic! @Marisa_C > Sandy’s just offered! #ELTChat |
| 1:07 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: @sandymillin Fantastic! @Marisa_C > Sandy’s just offered! #ELTChat > or @SueAnnan if she wants (I had a turn) 🙂 |
| 1:07 pm | analomba: | Language watch – See topics of Mrs. Obama’s visit to Howard University later today. http://bit.ly/h1833F#eltchat #actfl #flteach #langchat |
| 1:08 pm | Marisa_C: | @SueAnnan Oh thanks Sue! will let you know when transcript is up on the blog 😀 #ELTChat |
| 1:08 pm | SueannaN: | @Marisa_C OK fine #ELTChat |
| 1:08 pm | englishraven: | @SueAnnan Great, thanks for that. @sandymillin May we call on you again soon? 🙂 #ELTChat |
| 1:08 pm | ESLMadrid: | Will read the transcript #eltchat since I’m a newbie I’ll keep in touch and thank you all. |
| 1:08 pm | fionamau: | RT @Marisa_C: no one wants to be loved by us @englishraven #ELTChat >> NOT true!! |
| 1:08 pm | SueannaN: | @ESLMadrid great to meet you #eltchat |
| 1:08 pm | edumazing: | I actually gave my students a fake standardised test so they could understand their attitudes, feelings, beliefs. Best prep #eltchat |
| 1:08 pm | Marisa_C: | @sandymillin oops missed your offer ! you and @SueAnnan want to decide amongst yourselves? I’m ok with either one of you 🙂 #ELTchat |
| 1:09 pm | Mbarek: | Thanks for interesting #eltchat on testing . Following new elchatter i meet for the first time 🙂 |
| 1:11 pm | Marisa_C: | @Mbarek Glad to have you join us! Following at first is a good idea – get involved soon tho! #eltchat |
| 1:11 pm | sandymillin: | RT @englishraven: Sue Great, thanks for that. @sandymillin May we call on you again soon? 🙂 #ELTChat <indeed 🙂 @SueAnnan can do ths 1 🙂 |
| 1:11 pm | Marisa_C: | @SueAnnan you ok doing it? #ELTChat |
| 1:12 pm | Mbarek: | @Marisa_C Thanks Marisa ; I ‘ll do my best to get involved regularly #eltchat |
| 1:14 pm | englishraven: | Let me just say how wonderful it was to see more teachers from Asia in our #ELTChat tonight! We’re getting more global 🙂 |
| 1:15 pm | Marisa_C: | @Mbarek A pleaseure Mbarek and do please spread the word to #baw2011 #eltchat |
| 1:17 pm | ESLMadrid: | Likewise, read you soon 😛 RT @SueAnnan: @ESLMadrid great to meet you #eltchat |
| 1:21 pm | EdK12: | RT @SamGliksman: How effective are standardized tests? A. Too limited in scope B. Often inaccurate C. Skew teaching towards results D. All of above #eltchat |
| 1:26 pm | SueannaN: | @Marisa_C NO probs #ELTChat |
| 1:27 pm | SueannaN: | @sandymillin Thanks, I think 😉 #ELTChat |
| 1:27 pm | Marisa_C: | @Chaoukiboss You can’t choose the topic; every week we invite you to post a topic on www.eltchat.com then we vote #eltchat |
| 1:31 pm | SueannaN: | @Chaoukiboss Yes look forward to it #eltchat |
| 1:31 pm | SueannaN: | @ESLMadrid 🙂 #eltchat |
| 1:40 pm | NitroxDiver26: | This is my first time on here. Barbara invited me–thanks! #eltchat |
| 1:44 pm | StarrMatica: | RT @ShellTerrell: Type in words & computer sings them http://tiny.cc/zkrye #eltchat #esl #yltsig#elemchat via @HeyLeeAnn @marynabadenhors |
| 1:44 pm | edgycation: | <— against testing. Projects to get them to use the skills>testing #ELTchat |
| 1:44 pm | edgyfd: | <— against testing. Projects to get them to use the skills>testing #ELTchat |
| 1:46 pm | edgycation: | <—- Against testing. Project work to show the skills in use>testing. #ELTchat |
| 1:46 pm | SueannaN: | @NitroxDiver26 Hi the chat has finished for this session. The next one is at 21.00GMT tonight #eltchat |
| 1:55 pm | stopspanglish: | RT @bcnpaul1: I told a student he needed to work harder & he said ‘i’ll do better in the next test”… “what about in between” I said #eltchat |
| 1:58 pm | Marisa_C: | Read songs chat summary contributed by @fionamau http://bit.ly/eEXW5N #ELTChat You are all in there! |
| 2:07 pm | lolonagi: | is it now the #ELTchat? |
| 2:14 pm | atxteacher: | RT @cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat |
| 2:16 pm | vickysaumell: | RT @Marisa_C: Read songs chat summary contributed by @fionamau http://bit.ly/eEXW5N #ELTChatYou are all in there! |
| 2:21 pm | tucksoon: | RT @cybraryman1: Need to think about differentiated assessment. My Assessment page:http://bit.ly/aO1xZE #eltchat |
| 2:23 pm | erikaosvath: | Interesting post from @kalinagoenglish ‘Compliments, Praise and Insincerity’ http://bit.ly/fRPlYy#eltchat #beltfree #huedchat #education |
| 2:26 pm | csabiberger: | RT @erikaosvath: sry, got 2 go back 2 work. hre’s 1 procedure of testing that has worked 4 me. sry abt the link http://bit.ly/dQspvE #ELTChat |
| 2:29 pm | andrefn18: | RT @luthcal: Ss preparing their own tests? Great! I’ll give it a try. #eltchat |
| 2:35 pm | linguaprof: | has anyone got experience with language learning aptitude testing? Online? #ELTChat |
| 2:53 pm | GlogsterEDU: | Edgar Allen Poe, theme of many spooky glogs: http://vickyfuentesss.edu.glogster.com/edgarallanpoe/#edchat #edtech #TMGA11 #eltchat |
| 3:04 pm | dbates479: | RT @GlogsterEDU: Edgar Allen Poe, theme of many spooky glogs:http://vickyfuentesss.edu.glogster.com/edgarallanpoe/ #edchat #edtech #TMGA11 #eltchat |
| 3:10 pm | actfl: | RT @analomba: Language watch – See topics of Mrs. Obama’s visit to Howard University later today.http://bit.ly/h1833F #eltchat #actfl #flteach #langchat |
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