How do you deal with mixed ability classes? #ELTchat Transcript 23/02/2011

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How do you deal with mixed ability classes? #ELTchat Transcript 23/02/2011

This is the transcript of the second #ELTchat on 23/02/2011

8:57 pm Marisa_C: Please get ready for our next #ELTchat in abt 5 mins Talking about Teaching Mixed Ability Classes – Are you ready to go? #eltchat
8:57 pm tarabenwell: RT @Marisa_C: Please get ready for our next #ELTchat in abt 5 mins Talking about Teaching Mixed Ability Classes – Are you ready to go? #eltchat
8:58 pm janetbianchini: Countdown to #ELTchat is approx 5 minutes!! Great topic tonight -Mixed Ability Classess- we have all experienced them, so lots to share!
8:58 pm Fuertesun: Ready and waiting #ELTchat
8:58 pm Marisa_C: Am having trouble with Tweetdeck and am on tweetchat.com #ELTchat #eltchat
8:59 pm janetbianchini: @Marisa_C I’m ready to go #ELTchat and looking forward to a great session!
8:59 pm Fuertesun: @janetbianchini Hi Janet #ELTchat
9:00 pm Marisa_C: Twitter is over capacity #ELTchat – are you all OK with tweetdeck? #eltchat
9:00 pm cioccas: @janetbianchini @Fuertesun Hi Janet & Leahn and all #ELTchat
9:00 pm janetbianchini: Is there a difference in hashtag #ELTchat or #eltchat ?? Hopefully both are ok?
9:00 pm cioccas: @cioccas I’m okay Marisa #eltchat
9:01 pm lauraesol: #ELTchat
9:01 pm janetbianchini: @Fuertesun HI Leahn – nice to see you this evening! #ELTchat
9:01 pm Fuertesun: @cioccas Hi there #ELTchat
9:01 pm janetbianchini: @Marisa_C I don’t have tweetdeck so all my tweets are manual, so hopefully it will be ok! #ELTchat
9:02 pm janetbianchini: @cioccas Hi there! What time is it in Australia?? #ELTchat
9:02 pm fionamau: @Marisa_C Struggling. keeps saying there’s a Twitter problem..I’ll be lurking half the time anyway. dinner to prepare.How r u all? #eltchat
9:02 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Twitter is over capacity #ELTchat – are you all OK with tweetdeck? Gosh nothing seems to work! #eltchat
9:03 pm Marisa_C: Hello everyone and welcome to #ELTchat – for the next hour my tweets will be about Teaching Mixed Ability Classes and updates slow! #eltchat
9:03 pm Fuertesun: @janetbianchini U 2 #ELTchat
9:03 pm cioccas: @janetbianchini 8am here in Canberra! and you Janet? #eltchat
9:03 pm tarabenwell: Twitter not working for me. I finally made it to #ELTChat. boo
9:03 pm janetbianchini: @lauraesol Hi – nice to see you on #ELTchat this evening!
9:03 pm Marisa_C: Am getting fail whale here #ELTchat #eltchat
9:03 pm cioccas: #ELTchat – for the next hour my tweets will be about Teaching Mixed Ability Classes and updates slow! #eltchat
9:04 pm lolonagi: am also having troble with tweetdeck ๐Ÿ™ # eltchat #eltchat
9:04 pm cioccas: @Marisa_C I’m getting a lot of Twitter API is temporarily unavailable messages here #eltchat
9:04 pm Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Twitter is over capacity #ELTchat – are you all OK with tweetdeck? Gosh nothing seems to work! #eltchat
9:04 pm Fuertesun: @lauraesol Hi there #ELTchat
9:04 pm bcnpaul1: @Marisa_C what’s fail whale? #eltchat
9:04 pm Shaunwilden: Trying to post but it wont let me ๐Ÿ™ #ELTchat #eltchat
9:04 pm janetbianchini: Yes, it seems to be a bit slow tonight and my tweets are lagging behind #ELTchat
9:04 pm lolonagi: Hi, guys beautiful evening in Cairo#eltchat #eltchat
9:04 pm SueannaN: Hi everyone. Marisa I’ve followed you onto tweetchat. I have probs with twitter tonight #Eltchat
9:04 pm Fuertesun: @lolonagi hi #eltchat #eltchat
9:05 pm Marisa_C: Go to tweetchat.com and log in with your twitter account #ELTchat – works but is a bit slower #eltchat
9:05 pm Fuertesun: @SueAnnan Hi Sue #Eltchat
9:05 pm janetbianchini: @cioccas It’s 10pm here We are ready for #ELTchat lift off!!
9:05 pm tarabenwell: @bcnpaul1 @Marisa_C Do they not still do fail whale? #ELTChat
9:05 pm cioccas: @SueAnnan Things have speeded up on my Tweetdeck now #eltchat
9:05 pm lauraesol: #ELTchat don’t have tweetdeck and looking forward to my first chat!
9:05 pm cioccas: @lauraesol Welcome to #eltchat Laura!
9:06 pm Fuertesun: @lauraesol Tweetdeck makes it easier maybe next time #ELTchat
9:06 pm bcnpaul1: @lauraesol welcome laura #eltchat
9:06 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Fuertesun: @lauraesol Tweetdeck makes it easier maybe next time #ELTchat Not when its not working! ๐Ÿ˜‰
9:06 pm Marisa_C: @tarabenwell yes they still do fail whale #ELTchat #eltchat
9:06 pm Fuertesun: @Shaunwilden yes there’s always that! #ELTchat
9:06 pm janetbianchini: Good evening everyone on #ELTchat For next hour my tweets are dedicated to chatting re MIxed Ability classes
9:06 pm cerirhiannon: ah! got in at last, web, tweetdeck all dead at the moment ๐Ÿ™ #eltchat – hi everyone! #eltchat
9:07 pm SueannaN: not tonight it doesn’t #Eltchat
9:07 pm Fuertesun: RT @janetbianchini: Good evening everyone on #ELTchat For next hour my tweets are dedicated to chatting re MIxed Ability classes
9:07 pm bcnpaul1: tweetdeck seems to be working for me at the mo #eltchat
9:07 pm Fuertesun: @cerirhiannon evening #eltchat #eltchat
9:07 pm Shaunwilden: RT @bcnpaul1: tweetdeck seems to be working for me at the mo #eltchat it seems to have got better over the last few minutes
9:07 pm Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 me too #eltchat
9:07 pm MsAxthelm: #eltchat for the next hour my tweets will be about Teaching Mixed Ability classes!
9:07 pm janetbianchini: @lauraesol Welcome Laura to #ELTchat HOpe you have fun!
9:07 pm Shaunwilden: Anyway shall we try and talk mixed ability? #eltchat
9:07 pm Marisa_C: @lauraesol Welcome Laura! So what’s mixed ability – only different levels of achievement in same class? #ELTchat #eltchat
9:07 pm Fuertesun: @MsAxthelm evening #eltchat
9:08 pm bcnpaul1: will someone please follow or unfollow me – I have 666 followers which i find a bit unnerving!! #eltchat
9:08 pm lolonagi: : Good evening everyone on #ELTchat For next hour my tweets are dedicated to chatting re MIxed Ability classes #eltchat
9:08 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C Different levls of achievement or different levels? #ELTchat #eltchat
9:08 pm cioccas: RT @Fuertesun: @Marisa_C Different levls of achievement or different levels? #ELTchat #eltchat<Both?
9:08 pm SueannaN: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @bcnpaul1: tweetdeck seems to be working for me at the mo #eltchat it seems to have got better over the last few minutes
9:08 pm cerirhiannon: @Fuertesun hi! #eltchat
9:09 pm MsAxthelm: @Fuertesun Afternoon! (Mountain time for me ๐Ÿ™‚ ) #eltchat
9:09 pm A_Grundtvig: Hi #eltchat
9:09 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Fuertesun: @Marisa_C Different levls of achievement or different lvls? #ELTchat I think different levels is a different issues
9:09 pm tarabenwell: @Marisa_C Also classes where some are very strong in writing while others are much stronger in speaking. #ELTChat
9:09 pm educationland: First we should answer this question what isthe definition of a mixed ability class? #ELTchat
9:09 pm janetbianchini: It’s all sorts – different levels/ different needs / different mixtures #ELTchat
9:09 pm Shaunwilden: RT @educationland: First we should answer this question what isthe definition of a mixed ability class? #ELTchat Agreed
9:09 pm TheHelpGroup: Hello #ELTchat
9:09 pm cerirhiannon: tweetchat is annoyingly slow – think I’m going to just quietly lurk for the moment #eltchat #eltchat
9:09 pm Fuertesun: RT @cerirhiannon: tweetchat is annoyingly slow – think I’m going to just quietly lurk for the moment #eltchat #eltchat
9:10 pm grahamstanley: Joining the discussion about MIxed Ability classes on #eltchat tonight – hello everyone!
9:10 pm Shaunwilden: RT @SueAnnan: Are we actually discussing mixed level classes? #eltchat
9:10 pm MsAxthelm: RT @janetbianchini: It’s all sorts – different levels/ different needs / different mixtures #ELTchat
9:10 pm Fuertesun: @grahamstanley hi #eltchat
9:10 pm bcnpaul1: I thin we may be discussing mixed ability twitter platforms ๐Ÿ™‚ #eltchat
9:10 pm sandymillin: Bit late for #eltchat tonight – just got home. Going to try to catch up
9:10 pm cioccas: RT @tarabenwell: @Marisa_C Also classes where some are very strong in writing while others are much stronger in speaking. #ELTChat
9:10 pm fionamau: RT @cerirhiannon: tweetchat is annoyingly slow – think I’m going to just quietly lurk for the moment #eltchat #eltchat >same here.impossible
9:10 pm Fuertesun: @sandymillin just started don’t worry #eltchat
9:10 pm Shaunwilden: RT @sandymillin: Bit late for #eltchat tonight – just got home. Going to try to catch up You’ve not missed much as tweetdeck being a pain
9:10 pm SueannaN: @sandymillin haven’t missed much – twitter problems #eltchat
9:10 pm MsAxthelm: #ELTchat gosh, this is slow…
9:11 pm bcnpaul1: @grahamstanley hope yr not following #eltchat from a foursquare BC location ๐Ÿ™‚ #eltchat
9:11 pm Fuertesun: So same level just diff abilities? #eltchat
9:11 pm Marisa_C: @grahamstanley Hello Graham – my stream is very slow – moderating with me this evening is @Shaunwilden & @janetbianchini #ELTchat #eltchat
9:11 pm SueannaN: @Fuertesun Isn’t that normal though? #eltchat
9:11 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Fuertesun: So same level just diff abilities? #eltchat 4 me it is just different abilities
9:11 pm sandymillin: RT @janetbianchini: Good evening everyone on #ELTchat For next hour my tweets are dedicated to chatting re MIxed Ability classes
9:12 pm cerirhiannon: as Shaun said on blog – same level different abilities = all classes #eltchat #eltchat
9:12 pm fionamau: #eltchat Mixed abilities, right? A term that has changed meaning radically in Spain mainstream ed recently. Makes classwork more challenging
9:12 pm bcnpaul1: i have sts who have been to uk and have a v.good level of speaking but v.bad level of writing / grammar etc. #eltchat
9:12 pm janetbianchini: All classes by nature are mixed ability – high / medium /low level ability in each class, don’t you think? #ELTchat
9:12 pm Fuertesun: @SueAnnan yes I thought we meant diff levls within one class #eltchat
9:12 pm sandymillin: RT @bcnpaul1: will someone please follow or unfollow me – I have 666 followers which i find a bit unnerving!! #eltchat
9:12 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Fuertesun: @SueAnnan yes I thought we meant diff levls within one class #eltchat > me too
9:13 pm cioccas: Mike’s suggest for disc was: “…more/less able Ss who are fantastic at one particular aspect of the language not so good at others #eltchat
9:13 pm MsAxthelm: #ELTchat for me, I teach different levels and different abilities within levels all in one class.
9:13 pm cioccas: RT @MsAxthelm: #ELTchat for me, I teach different levels and different abilities within levels all in one class. <Me too!
9:13 pm Fuertesun: Can we clear this up? Upper Int say with diff abilities of Upper int and pre in same class? #eltchat
9:13 pm tarabenwell: How do you challenge those who seem too high for your class? #ELTchat
9:13 pm lolonagi: @bcnpaul1 me three #eltchat
9:13 pm Marisa_C: RT @janetbianchini: All classes by nature are mixed ability – high / medium /low level ability in each class > absolutely #eltchat
9:13 pm janetbianchini: RT @bcnpaul1 RT @Fuertesun: @SueAnnan yes I thought we meant diff levls within one class #eltchat> me too
9:14 pm aClilToClimb: #eltchat evening all. Can’t stay as it’s dindin time ๐Ÿ˜‰ I find mixed ability a constant nightmare
9:14 pm cerirhiannon: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @Fuertesun: @SueAnnan yes I thought we meant diff levls within one class #eltchat > me too > me three ๐Ÿ™‚ #eltchat
9:14 pm cioccas: Maybe good at speaking, not so good writing or vice versa #eltchat
9:14 pm Shaunwilden: RT @janetbianchini: yes I thought we meant diff levls within one class #eltchat > Interesting, to me that is a totally different thing
9:14 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Looks like I didn’t miss anything! There was a seminar on mixed-ability at our conf. on Saturday. Have the notes here…
9:14 pm theteacherjames: I think all classes are to some extent mixed. There will always be a range of abilities across different disciplines. #eltchat
9:14 pm Marisa_C: @cioccas Or visual learners or auditory etc? #ELTchat Good learners and not so good? #eltchat
9:14 pm Shaunwilden: RT @cioccas: Maybe good at speaking, not so good writing or vice versa #eltchat Yes thats how I see the term mixed ability
9:15 pm cioccas: Suggestion for disc was: “…more/less able Ss who are fantastic at one particular aspect of the language not so good at others #eltchat
9:15 pm Fuertesun: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @cioccas: Maybe good at speaking, not so good writing or vice versa #eltchatYes thats how I see the term mixed ability
9:15 pm cerirhiannon: mixed ability in pls v different to mixed ability in mainstream education #eltchat #eltchat
9:15 pm A_Grundtvig: Do we have any non-mixed ability classes? #eltchat
9:15 pm aClilToClimb: oops #eltchat but what usu works 4 me is when i bring kids into the puter lab
9:15 pm MsAxthelm: #eltchat Most of my students have reached a level of proficient speaking, but vary greatly in listening, reading and writing…
9:15 pm Fuertesun: RT @cerirhiannon: mixed ability in pls v different to mixed ability in mainstream education #eltchat#eltchat
9:15 pm janetbianchini: RT @Shaunwilden RT @cioccas: Maybe good at speaking, not so good writing or vice versa #eltchatYes thats how I see the term mixed ability
9:15 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Mixed ability is>different levels of active / passive vocab/grammar/cultural knowledge(L1 and L2)/skills
9:16 pm theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden @cioccas Or maybe even things like critical and analytical skills? #eltchat
9:16 pm Fuertesun: @sandymillin all classes then? #eltchat
9:16 pm Shaunwilden: So it seems that some see it a different levels and other same levels different levels of skill #eltchat bit confusing can we stick to 1?
9:16 pm Marisa_C: RT @A_Grundtvig: Do we have any non-mixed ability classes? > Not really – may be for a week of so if streamed carefully? #ELTchat #eltchat
9:16 pm ELTmethods: Hi there. Joining you on mixed ability. Every class is mixed ab. It doesn’t matter how homogenous it seems. #eltchat
9:16 pm sandymillin: #eltchat …but also maturity levels/concentration span/energy levels/short and long-term memory/social skills/attitudes to Eng…!
9:16 pm lolonagi: @MsAxthelm this is true for abilities #eltchat
9:16 pm Fuertesun: RT @Shaunwilden: So it seems that some see it a different levels and other same levels different levels of skill #eltchat bit confusing can we stick to 1?
9:17 pm janetbianchini: RT @theteacherjames – all classes are to some extent mixed.There will always be range of abilities across different disciplines #eltchat
9:17 pm sandymillin: @Fuertesun So yes, pretty much all classes are mixed-ability in one way or another (except 1-2-1!) #eltchat
9:17 pm fionamau: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat …but also maturity levels/concentration span/energy levels/short and long-term memory/social skills/attitudes to Eng…!
9:17 pm cerirhiannon: mixed ability then and not mixed levels? #eltchat (maybe do that in a separate chat?) #eltchat
9:17 pm Fuertesun: @sandymillin Wires crossed tonight I see mixed ability as diff levels #eltchat
9:17 pm bcnpaul1: true – there really are no non-mixed ability classes. The problem is that in ELT we think they shd be #eltchat
9:18 pm janetbianchini: RT @ELTmethods Hi there. Joining you on mixed ability. Every class is mixed ab. It doesn’t matter how homogenous it seems. #eltchat -agree!
9:18 pm MsAxthelm: @lolonagi True. #eltchat
9:18 pm cioccas: The proposed topic in #eltchat was students with mixed abilities, strong in one area, weak in another, that was my understanding
9:18 pm Shaunwilden: RT @bcnpaul1: true – there really are no non-mixed ability classes. The problem is that in ELT we think they shd be #eltchat Yes:-)
9:18 pm Marisa_C: @Fuertesun I don’t think we have to stick to one – I’ll go with everything #ELTchat #eltchat
9:18 pm Fuertesun: RT @cioccas: The proposed topic in #eltchat was students with mixed abilities, strong in one area, weak in another, that was my understanding
9:18 pm springrose12: @Marisa_C @cioccas and prepares different level worksheets for them. For beginners use of 1st language translation works wonders #eltchat
9:18 pm cioccas: We have some Ss who can communicate speaking but can’t read or write at all , even in L1 #eltchat
9:18 pm lolonagi: I think most of us encountered mixed abilities in the same class with in the same level#eltchat #eltchat
9:18 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C surely teaching mixed ability in the first sense is just teching none of us are the same #ELTchat #eltchat
9:19 pm A_Grundtvig: How do you deal with mixed-level classes? #eltchat
9:19 pm SueannaN: RT @Fuertesun: @Marisa_C surely teaching mixed ability in the first sense is just teching none of us are the same #ELTchat #eltchat
9:19 pm fionamau: #eltchat There are teachers who teach the class, and teachers who wail that ‘my students aren’t at the level’? (cont)ย http://deck.ly/~dGley
9:19 pm bcnpaul1: RT @fionamau: Do you think so? Or is it just the admin bods that do? think t’s expect sts to be more or less the same in all areas #eltchat
9:19 pm janetbianchini: RT @cioccas: The proposed topic in #eltchat was students with mixed abilities, strong in one area, weak in another, that was my understanding
9:19 pm cioccas: … and we have some Ss who know the grammar and can read & write but not communicate speaking #eltchat
9:19 pm theteacherjames: Wr have time for both strands, don’t we? #eltchat
9:19 pm Fuertesun: @cioccas strenghts and weaknesses then #eltchat
9:19 pm sandymillin: @Fuertesun I was surprised at # of definitions involved in mixed ability seminar – hadn’t considered them b4 -used 2thnk levels #eltchat
9:19 pm janetbianchini: @Marisa_C Same here! I’ll go with anything too! #eltchat Put it all “in the mix” tonight!
9:19 pm educationland: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Mixed ability is>different levels of active / passive vocab/grammar/cultural knowledge(L1 and L2)/skills
9:19 pm Marisa_C: @springrose12 Different worksheets for everyone is the standard advice in mixed level teaching orthodoxy #ELTchat Is that viable? #eltchat
9:20 pm lolonagi: @A_Grundtvig by varying the activities #eltchat #eltchat
9:20 pm bcnpaul1: the issue is that there is v.little prep for teachers in elt going into the classroom. #eltchat
9:20 pm grahamstanley: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @Fuertesun: @SueAnnan yes I thought we meant diff levls within one class #eltchat > me too>and me!
9:20 pm springrose12: @cioccas Still valid for them. More reading and writing exercises for them or pair group work/more able helps less able #eltchat
9:20 pm Fuertesun: @sandymillin funny huh took it as given that we’re all diff with diff strenths and weakneses #eltchat
9:20 pm educationland: RT @tarabenwell: How do you challenge those who seem too high for your class? #ELTchat
9:20 pm janetbianchini: @A_Grundtvig #eltchat Lots of group work and mingles work very well for mixed abilities
9:21 pm sandymillin: @Fuertesun Different yes, but sometimes you forget just how many things mixed ability encompasses #eltchat
9:21 pm Fuertesun: @sandymillin teach mainstream we have a lot of diffs aspergers, downs and plenty more stuff in the mix #eltchat
9:21 pm bcnpaul1: @fionamau yes it’s true, but I mean when there is a BIG gap & sts really aren’t at the level for the class. How do u teach them #eltchat
9:22 pm Marisa_C: Vary and balance activities in a lesson always good advice – give all a chance to shine at something #ELTchat #eltchat
9:22 pm SueannaN: RT @Marisa_C: Vary and balance activities in a lesson always good advice – give all a chance to shine at something #ELTchat #eltchat
9:22 pm lolonagi: @educationland @tarabenwell people say make them team leader of other students or helpers #eltchat#eltchat
9:22 pm cerirhiannon: mixed levels: tasks that work at different levels – contents come from ss – peer teaching – peer support – multi-tasking #eltchat #eltchat
9:22 pm fionamau: #eltchat I reckon sometimes it’s the assumptions about sts that are off, rather thn their ‘level’.How do we stream bottom-up AND top-down?
9:22 pm sandymillin: @Fuertesun That’s a big diff then – I teach at private lang. school – much more homogenous classes than you have I think #eltchat
9:22 pm springrose12: @SueAnnan @Marisa_C Yes, this is what we’re expected to do. Maybe not different worksheets but different objectives &outcome #eltchat
9:22 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C yes very multiple intelligence like too? #ELTchat #eltchat
9:22 pm Shaunwilden: RT @SueAnnan: Difft worksheets for e/one is the standard advice…does it work? well if they have hours to make so many w/sheets! #eltchat
9:22 pm cioccas: RT @Marisa_C: Vary and balance activities in a lesson always good advice – give all a chance to shine at something #ELTchat #eltchat
9:22 pm janetbianchini: @tarabenwell #eltchat I would give them more difficult tasks and objectives to achieve within same time span as weaker ones
9:22 pm MsAxthelm: #ELTchat I find grammar difficult to teach mixed ability – perhaps b/c I think it needs direct instruction?
9:22 pm ELTmethods: We all have this great diversity in our classes and somehow need to cope with it #eltchat.
9:22 pm grahamstanley: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @SueAnnan: Difft worksheets for e/one is the standard advice…does it work? well if they have hours to make so many w/sheets! #eltchat
9:23 pm shaznosel: #eltchat what about ss with learning difficulties in class.eg.dyslexia
9:23 pm bcnpaul1: sometimes the problem is when we compare sts to others in the class not with what they should be able to do for the level #eltchat
9:23 pm theteacherjames: A st. centred approach is key. They can be given responsibility for creating their own tasks, choosing their own reading & so on. #eltchat
9:23 pm janetbianchini: RT @Marisa_C: Vary and balance activities in a lesson always good advice – give all a chance to shine at something #ELTchat #eltchat
9:23 pm Fuertesun: diff wksheets for all just not practical in mianstream with 30 kids and so much diffrence #eltchat
9:23 pm Shaunwilden: I think you have to use the sts as much as possible, let them tell you, tell each other etc #eltchat
9:23 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Also same worksheet, different ways 2 exploit: e.g. for YLs – write minimum 3 sentences (allows stronger to write more)
9:23 pm educationland: When we made worksheet ,we should take in consideration of different levels students have .#ELTchat
9:23 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Gd question when gaps too big at some points in lesson differentiate tasks/activities/focus/time allowed/support #ELTchat #eltchat
9:23 pm cerirhiannon: just started teaching mainstream last year high school – same exam, different levels – big challenge! #eltchat #eltchat
9:24 pm Fuertesun: peer teaching and buddy systems good #eltchat
9:24 pm janetbianchini: @springrose12 Yes, different objectives and outcomes could work very well #eltchat
9:24 pm educationland: When we made Exam or Quiz ,we should take in consideration of different levels students have .#ELTchat
9:24 pm theteacherjames: @grahamstanley @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Why not get them to create their own worksheets? #eltchat
9:24 pm MsAxthelm: RT @cerirhiannon: just started teaching mainstream last year high school – same exam, different levels – big challenge! #eltchat #eltchat
9:24 pm Fuertesun: @cerirhiannon oh yes I know what u mean #eltchat
9:24 pm ELTmethods: You can focus on the tasks. These should be flexible in terms of level and aims. #eltchat
9:24 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Fuertesun: peer teaching and buddy systems good #eltchat Good ideas ๐Ÿ™‚
9:24 pm grahamstanley: one of my students tells me that there’s a group of kids in his English class at school who are left alone by teacher #eltchat
9:24 pm A_Grundtvig: RT @lolonagi: @A_Grundtvig by varying the activities #eltchat #eltchat – so isn’t the same true of any ability be it level, MI or skill?
9:24 pm Marisa_C: RT @Fuertesun: diff wksheets for all just not practical in mianstream with 30 kids and so much diffrence > agree #eltchat
9:25 pm lolonagi: @Fuertesun yes totally agree on peer coaching #eltchat #eltchat
9:25 pm janetbianchini: RT @theteacherjames: @grahamstanley @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Why not get them to create their own worksheets? #eltchat
9:25 pm sandymillin: #eltchat Also, try not to work in lockstep all the time – give SS to free to work at their own pace
9:25 pm MsAxthelm: Interesting…RT @theteacherjames: @grahamstanley @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Why not get them to create their own worksheets? #eltchat
9:25 pm Shaunwilden: RT @theteacherjames: Why not get them to create their own worksheets? #eltchat I do, much more productive and useful way of doing thingss
9:25 pm bcnpaul1: RT @grahamstanley: 1 of my sts tells me that there’s a group of kids in his English class at school who are left alone by teacher #eltchat
9:25 pm educationland: RT @theteacherjames: @grahamstanley @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Why not get them to create their own worksheets? #eltchat
9:25 pm Marisa_C: @Fuertesun but task differentiation OK not always necessary to have diff worksheets #ELTchat#eltchat
9:25 pm cerirhiannon: RT @ELTmethods: You can focus on the tasks. These should be flexible in terms of level and aims. > yes and s-centredhelps #eltchat #eltchat
9:26 pm Shaunwilden: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Also, try not to work in lockstep all the time – all the time – I’d say as little time as possible hate lockstep
9:26 pm waykatewit: #Eltchat I’m sure the same worksheet can be used in different ways, no need to create separate levels.
9:26 pm grahamstanley: project work can be a good answer – it lends itself to mixed abilities #eltchat
9:26 pm ELTmethods: Negative example: Think about gap fills. There the gap really opens up. #eltchat
9:26 pm Marisa_C: Very strong ss can be asked to mentor others #ELTchat #eltchat
9:26 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C yes and simple things like some kids only have to answer 3 questions #ELTchat #eltchat
9:26 pm MsAxthelm: #eltchat How do you respond to writing with many different levels?
9:26 pm bcnpaul1: project work at some point in the class. allows sts to work at their own pac & t’s achance to give extra attention #eltchat
9:26 pm janetbianchini: Using online activities is a very good way to accommodate the different levels. Same topics but different levels #eltchat
9:26 pm bcnpaul1: RT @janetbianchini: Using online activities is a v. good way to accommodate the different levels. Same topics but different levels #eltchat
9:26 pm fionamau: RT @Shaunwilden @sandymillin: #eltchat try not to work in lockstep all the time // I’d say as little time as possible hate lockstep> agreed
9:26 pm sandymillin: @MsAxthelm tend to respond to what I know the SS abilities are wherever possible – is this good work for him / her not 4 the class #eltchat
9:27 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @sandymillin: #eltchat Also, try not to work in lockstep all the time – Id say little time as possible #eltchat
9:27 pm educationland: RT @ELTmethods: You can focus on the tasks. These should be flexible in terms of level and aims. #eltchat
9:27 pm lolonagi: RT @bcnpaul1: project work at some point in the class. allows Ss to work at their own pac &ts achance to give extra attention agree #eltchat
9:27 pm grahamstanley: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @janetbianchini: Using online activities is a v. good way to accommodate the different levels. Same topics but different levels #eltchat
9:27 pm Marisa_C: @Fuertesun Right ! Some Ss do 3 some 5 items – some can be given diff exercises from coursebook #ELTchat #eltchat
9:27 pm Shaunwilden: Why do we need w/sheets? Use the WB for e.g.s then ask the class to work in groups, they will show u the extent of their knowledge #eltchat
9:27 pm janetbianchini: RT @Marisa_C Very strong ss can be asked to mentor others #ELTchat #eltchat – yes, I agree
9:27 pm MsAxthelm: @bcnpaul1 I thought project would wk, but found Ss racing to the minimum! 3rd quarter is tough, though. #eltchat
9:27 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: Very strong ss can be asked to mentor others #ELTchat #eltchat
9:27 pm sandymillin: @Fuertesun I do this (only answer 3 questions) but how do you stop SS feeling bad / other SS feeling like they have 2 do more work #eltchat
9:27 pm theteacherjames: @MsAxthelm Identify the level of that st and check accordingly. limit feedback to what they require. #eltchat
9:28 pm cerirhiannon: RT @janetbianchini: RT @Marisa_C Very strong ss can be asked to mentor others #ELTchat #eltchat – yes, I agree #eltchat
9:28 pm Fuertesun: Mixed ability takes on NEW menaing once u work in mainstream education #eltchat
9:28 pm waykatewit: #Eltchat different home assignments also work. I get the weaker ones buy a lower-level grammar for self-study (brush-up)
9:28 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: Very strong ss can be asked to mentor others #ELTchat >> Yep. And most sts have a strong area,something to contribute.
9:28 pm Marisa_C: RT @bcnpaul1: project work allows Ss to work at their own pace & ts a chance to give extra attention agree #ELTchat #eltchat
9:28 pm Shaunwilden: Do open ended activities e.g. rather than spot the difference do find the similarities #eltchat
9:28 pm cioccas: @sandymillin More ‘able’ Ss sometimes resent mentoring or shat they see as ‘carrying’ others – what to do? #eltchat
9:28 pm Fuertesun: @sandymillin yes that’s part of the problem ends up like labelling #eltchat
9:29 pm bcnpaul1: RT @MsAxthelm: @bcnpaul1 I thought project would wk, but found Ss racing to the minimum! 3rd quarter is tough, though. #eltchat > yes true
9:29 pm MsAxthelm: @sandymillin How teach to ability with responses? I try to find common weaknesses, but get bogged down with so many! #eltchat
9:29 pm Marisa_C: @fionamau nice idea – or allow them a copy of the CD to listen at home #ELTchat #eltchat
9:29 pm fionamau: RT @grahamstanley: project work can be a good answer – it lends itself to mixed abilities #eltchat>agreed, giving sts clear roles 2 fulfill
9:29 pm lolonagi: @sandymillin I think Ss know that they have problems in something, the most imp thing is 2 make them feel safe in class #eltchat #eltchat
9:29 pm theteacherjames: RT @Shaunwilden: Why do we need w/sheets? Use WB for egs then ask class to work in groups, they will show u their knowledge #eltchat
9:29 pm adricarv: Encourage co-operation rather than competion #eltchat
9:29 pm sandymillin: @MsAxthelm So pick 3 or 4 to focus on, get them down, then another few later #eltchat
9:29 pm shaznosel: #eltchat. peer monitoring/tronger ss helping weaker is great for team spirit. Relieves boredom and helps weaker ss.
9:29 pm cioccas: RT @lolonagi: I think Ss know that they have problems in something, the most imp thing is 2 make them feel safe in class #eltchat < agree
9:29 pm Fuertesun: we have system where strong help weaker now the strong are playing up and misbehaving!#eltchat
9:29 pm janetbianchini: Do lots of quizzes with groups -mix the abilities deliberately-they all help each other- competition is great focus and motivation #eltchat
9:29 pm ELTmethods: I think pacing is important. Don’t always wait until the very last one has finished their task #eltchat
9:29 pm fionamau: RT @Fuertesun: @Marisa_C yes and simple things like some kids only have to answer 3 questions #ELTchat >> Or “Write at least 5 sentences…”
9:29 pm MsAxthelm: RT @sandymillin: I do this (only answer 3 qs) but how do you stop SS feeling bad / other SS feeling like they have 2 do more work #eltchat
9:29 pm Marisa_C: @cioccas For Ss who resent weaker Ss or are intolerant the answer is in building excellent group dynamis #ELTchat #eltchat
9:30 pm educationland: @Shaunwilden WB is an ideal solution especially if we allow Group work to answer the excercises.#ELTchat
9:30 pm sandymillin: RT @adricarv: Encourage co-operation rather than competion #eltchat
9:30 pm cioccas: RT @sandymillin: I do this (only answer 3 qs) but how do you stop SS feeling bad / other SS feeling like they have 2 do more work #eltchat
9:30 pm adricarv: Sorry, I meant encourage co-operation rather than competition #eltchat
9:30 pm bcnpaul1: @MsAxthelm sometimes if sts take full responsibility for choice of topic & plan well beforehand but agree that s’times its no good #eltchat
9:30 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cioccas: RT @lolonagi: Ss know they have problems in something, most imp thing make them feel safe in class #eltchat < agree #eltchat
9:30 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C we are going on a field trip tmrw to help with dynamics #ELTchat #eltchat
9:30 pm sandymillin: #eltchat I like idea of stronger SS helping weaker, and it works in adult classes. But YLs and teens always refuse to do it. Suggestions?
9:30 pm fionamau: RT @MsAxthelm: #eltchat How do you respond to writing with many different levels?> A lot of pre-writing ideas-storms and lots of drafting
9:31 pm MsAxthelm: @theteacherjames So feedback has to be individual? #eltchat
9:31 pm cerirhiannon: RT @bcnpaul1: @MsAxthelm if sts take full responsibility for choice of topic & plan beforehand but agree that stimes its no good #eltchat
9:31 pm sandymillin: @janetbianchini Like group quizzes too, but difficult to stop the stronger SS dominating. #eltchat
9:31 pm Marisa_C: Give the key to weaker ss only – #ELTchat – make them responsible for telling others #eltchat
9:31 pm springrose12: @Marisa_C @bcnpaul1 Ss need to see good and bad examples of projects &teacher’s modelling before they embark on a project #eltchat
9:31 pm MsAxthelm: Can you give example? RT @Shaunwilden: Do open ended activities e.g. rather than spot the difference do find the similarities #eltchat
9:31 pm cerirhiannon: RT @fionamau: RT @MsAxthelm: #eltchat How do you respond to writing ?> A lot of pre-writing ideas-storms and lots of drafting #eltchat
9:31 pm lolonagi: @fionamau @MsAxthelm good idea in writing exs #eltchat
9:31 pm sandymillin: @janetbianchini Also, they sometimes deliberately leave out SS they consider ‘stupid’ / ‘slow’ no matter how hard I try 2 avoid #eltchat
9:31 pm janetbianchini: Yes, excellent group dynamics is fundamental in dealing with mixed ability classes – otherwise resentment can be destructive #eltchat
9:31 pm fionamau: RT @Marisa_C: @Fuertesun some can be given diff exercises from coursebook #ELTchat Allow them to choose, say, three exs from wkbk page
9:32 pm A_Grundtvig: RT @janetbianchini: Competition is great focus and motivation #eltchat Couldn’t agree more
9:32 pm shaznosel: #eltchat. twitter is overloaded..some can’t get on line..
9:32 pm theteacherjames: I tried to encourage higher sts to take responsibility & challenge themselves. Sometimes they prefer the easier road though. #eltchat
9:32 pm bcnpaul1: RT @springrose12: Ss need to see good and bad examples of projects &teacher’s modelling before they embark on a project #eltchat
9:32 pm Marisa_C: @MsAxthelm Open ended opposite to one correct answer #ELTchat #eltchat
9:32 pm Fuertesun: RT @janetbianchini: Yes, excellent group dynamics is fundamental in dealing with mixed ability classes – otherwise resentment can be destructive #eltchat
9:32 pm waykatewit: #Eltchat@sandymillin give points for helping the weaker ๐Ÿ™‚
9:32 pm MsAxthelm: RT @fionamau: RT @grahamstanley: project work can be a good answer #eltchat >agreed, giving sts clear roles 2 fulfill
9:32 pm MsAxthelm: RT @sandymillin I think Ss know that they have problems in something, the most imp thing is 2 make them feel safe in class #eltchat
9:32 pm Marisa_C: @fionamau yes great idea – choose which exs u want to do #ELTchat #eltchat
9:33 pm janetbianchini: @sandymillin Get ss to create their own quizzes sometimes helps motivation to build a team spirit #eltchat
9:33 pm cioccas: Find something weaker Ss excel at and make that the focus of an activity – can work a treat & builds confidence #eltchat
9:33 pm ELTmethods: @sandymillin #eltchat don’t fix the amount of items per task. Stronger st. can solve the more difficult tasks.
9:33 pm Fuertesun: RT @Marisa_C: @fionamau yes great idea – choose which exs u want to do #ELTchat #eltchat
9:33 pm lolonagi: @Fuertesun @janetbianchini very good but if those strong Ss do not want to help weaker Ss #eltchat#eltchat
9:33 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cioccas: Find something weaker Ss excel at and make that the focus of an activity – can work a treat & builds confidence #eltchat
9:33 pm MsAxthelm: That’s a good idea. Along w mentor? RT @sandymillin: @MsAxthelm So pick 3 or 4 to focus on, get them down, then another few later #eltchat
9:33 pm educationland: which one is better for a mixed ability class using Excercises or Activities .Plz RT #ELTchat
9:33 pm shaznosel: @Marisa_C #eltchat great idea about key but will other become resentful?
9:33 pm juandoming: RT @todostartups Los Inversores en la Redย http://bit.ly/fbuMqv #juandon #elearning #edchat #edtech#socialmedia #eltchat #lrnchat
9:33 pm Marisa_C: Have a box of little extra whatsits for early finishers #ELTchat #eltchat
9:33 pm cioccas: RT @lolonagi: @Fuertesun @janetbianchini very good but if those strong Ss do not want to help weaker Ss #eltchat #eltchat
9:34 pm SueannaN: RT @Marisa_C: Have a box of little extra whatsits for early finishers #ELTchat #eltchat
9:34 pm Fuertesun: @lolonagi takes time to build up working relationship all part of social competences #eltchat #eltchat
9:34 pm cerirhiannon: RT @lolonagi: @Fuertesun @janetbianchini but if those strong Ss do not want to help weaker Ss #eltchat>need 2 find a way! #eltchat
9:34 pm MsAxthelm: @Fuertesun This time of year is tough… #eltchat
9:34 pm bcnpaul1: RT @cerirhiannon: RT @cioccas: Find something weaker Ss excel at and make that the focus of an activity – builds confidence #eltchat >agree
9:34 pm toulasklavou: @shaznosel Finally! I’m in! #eltchat
9:34 pm Fuertesun: @cioccas lots ot team activities where everyne has to suceed for them all to suceed #eltchat #eltchat
9:34 pm MsAxthelm: I shld do more of this RT @janetbianchini: Do lots of quizzes with groups -mix the abilities deliberately-they all help each other #eltchat
9:35 pm Shaunwilden: It also helps to know your class and use monitoring effectively -find out which ansrs which sts know then call on them ๐Ÿ™‚ #eltchat
9:35 pm janetbianchini: @sandymillin Good point and that is tricky. Maybe I’d take them aside and have a quiet word re attitude to see what happens #eltchat
9:35 pm adricarv: RT @cioccas Find something weaker Ss excel at and make that the focus of an activity – can work a treat & builds confidence #eltchat
9:35 pm cioccas: Some Ss shine as mentors, others not so good – need to choose carefully so not to ruin confidence of those being mentored #eltchat
9:35 pm Fuertesun: Promote the whole rather than individual #eltchat
9:35 pm Marisa_C: Team building from start of year will generate more collaboration amongst different levels #ELTchat#eltchat
9:35 pm Fuertesun: @cioccas yes def #eltchat
9:35 pm cioccas: RT @Shaunwilden: helps to know your class and use monitoring effectively -find out which ansrs which sts know then call on them ๐Ÿ™‚ #eltchat
9:35 pm cioccas: RT @Fuertesun: Promote the whole rather than individual #eltchat
9:35 pm Fuertesun: RT @Marisa_C: Team building from start of year will generate more collaboration amongst different levels #ELTchat #eltchat
9:35 pm cerirhiannon: design open ended tasks that can be answered at sentence or text level (spoken or written) battle is to get all 2 stretch #eltchat #eltchat
9:35 pm janetbianchini: RT @Marisa_C: Team building from start of year will generate more collaboration amongst different levels #ELTchat #eltchat
9:36 pm bcnpaul1: set up zonal teaching depending on strengths & weaknesses #eltchat
9:36 pm Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden and don’t ask ur weakest learners FIRST! #ELTchat #eltchat
9:36 pm MsAxthelm: @bcnpaul1 True, buy in is key – this project didn’t have that. Really notice the difference! #eltchat
9:36 pm gutafranco: RT @juandoming: RT @todostartups Los Inversores en la Redย http://bit.ly/fbuMqv #juandon #elearning#edchat #edtech #socialmedia #eltchat #lrnchat
9:36 pm toulasklavou: when giving diff h/outs what’s the explanation? Strong Ss say why some others get the easy ones? #eltchat
9:36 pm lauraesol: #ELTchat Still here but having probs tweeting! It is difficult to differentiate with mixed levels
9:36 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: and don’t ask ur weakest learners FIRST! #ELTchat #eltchat Unless thats their only answer ๐Ÿ˜‰
9:36 pm fionamau: @cerirhiannon @bcnpaul1 @MsAxthelm agree that stimes no good #eltchat > also if they work in small groups ? (cont)ย http://deck.ly/~Q3TvI
9:36 pm janetbianchini: @cioccas Give stronger students a reason to want to help weaker ones #eltchat Maybe pride in doing sth as a team eg an interactive poster
9:36 pm shaznosel: #ELTCHAT – are classes organised just to age or ability?.you move up every year, no matter what.is this why we have the prob?
9:37 pm Fuertesun: @toulasklavou we’re all differnt and so we get different stuff #eltchat
9:37 pm lolonagi: RT @bcnpaul1: set up zonal teaching depending on strengths & weaknesses> agree #eltchat
9:37 pm Marisa_C: RT @janetbianchini: @cioccas Give stronger students a reason to want to help weaker ones #eltchat#eltchat
9:37 pm fionamau: RT @janetbianchini: Yes, excellent group dynamics is fundamental in dealing with mixed ability classes – otherwise resentment can be destructive #eltchat
9:37 pm nutrich: Work on develop language learning skills to foster autonomy #eltchat
9:37 pm shaznosel: @Marisa_C #ELTCHAT– totally agree
9:37 pm cioccas: RT @Marisa_C: RT @janetbianchini: @cioccas Give stronger students a reason to want to help weaker ones #eltchat
9:38 pm MsAxthelm: @fionamau They love the pre-write, hate the drafting/editing. #eltchat
9:38 pm cgoodey: RT @Shaunwilden: It also helps to know your class and use monitoring effectively -find out which ansrs which sts know then call on them ๐Ÿ™‚ #eltchat
9:38 pm Marisa_C: @shaznosel In some schools yes Ss mover up automatically – like bad managers only way is UP! #ELTchat ๐Ÿ˜€ #eltchat
9:38 pm lauraesol: #ELTchat I sometimes use millionnaire quiz in teams. Everyone joins in that easily
9:38 pm Shaunwilden: There’s lots of pairing strong with weak being talked about – why not pair the ‘weak’ with weak and strong with strong? #eltchat
9:38 pm janetbianchini: #eltchat Creating a collaborative and dynamic group atmosphere which respects each individual is paramount but maybe not easy to achieve
9:38 pm bcnpaul1: RT @lauraesol: #ELTchat I sometimes use millionnaire quiz in teams. Everyone joins in that easily
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9:38 pm lolonagi: Give stronger students reason to want to help weak ones Maybe pride in doing sth as a teaman interactive poster, shld we say that? #eltchat
9:38 pm Fuertesun: @Shaunwilden yes I prefer to have my strongs and weaks seperately #eltchat
9:38 pm nutrich: RT @Marisa_C: @shaznosel In some schools yes ss mover up automatically – like bad managers only way is UP! #ELTchat | lol, sad but true!
9:39 pm toulasklavou: @shaznosel In Greece, they’re organised to age, no attention to needs and abilities, that’s why so many probs #eltchat
9:39 pm lolonagi: @bcnpaul1 @lauraesol millionaire quizz? #eltchat
9:39 pm MsAxthelm: Yes. I need to work on that more. RT @Marisa_C: @MsAxthelm Open ended opposite to one correct answer #ELTchat #eltchat
9:39 pm Fuertesun: @toulasklavou same here in Spain #eltchat
9:39 pm cioccas: @Shaunwilden Agree re varying the pairing, and can work to pair strong writing w weaker speaking and vice versa #eltchat
9:39 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Fuertesun: @Shaunwilden yes I prefer to have my strongs and weaks seperately #eltchat>definitely agree w/that esp. with yl’s
9:39 pm MsAxthelm: RT @Marisa_C: @fionamau yes great idea – choose which exs u want to do #ELTchat #eltchat
9:40 pm cerirhiannon: use readers -ss read at own level – discuss stories & reactions 2different stories – all have a reason to contribute #eltchat #eltchat
9:40 pm Marisa_C: @Fuertesun but good teams have different skils/levels etc #ELTchat #eltchat
9:40 pm nutrich: @Shaunwilden get ss used to both and change it up – one day weak/weak and another day weak/strong #eltchat
9:40 pm Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 I prefer it as a learner myself #eltchat
9:40 pm cioccas: RT @nutrich: @Shaunwilden get ss used to both and change it up – one day weak/weak and another day weak/strong #eltchat < agree re variation
9:40 pm bcnpaul1: RT @lolonagi: @bcnpaul1 @lauraesol millionaire quizz? #eltchat > who wants to be a millionaire.
9:40 pm nutrich: RT @Marisa_C: @Fuertesun but good teams have different skils/levels etc #ELTchat | help ss become aware of their team strengths
9:40 pm A_Grundtvig: Getting Ss to work together on long term projects can be an excellent way to harness different abilities. #eltchat
9:40 pm cerirhiannon: use diff pairings for diff activities – *train* students to mentor #eltchat #eltchat
9:41 pm nutrich: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @lolonagi: @bcnpaul1 @lauraesol millionaire quizz? #eltchat > who wants to be a millionaire.| I do!! ; )
9:41 pm nutrich: RT @cerirhiannon: use diff pairings for diff activities – *train* students to mentor #eltchat
9:41 pm cioccas: RT @cerirhiannon: use diff pairings for diff activities – *train* students to mentor #eltchat < Yes!
9:41 pm bcnpaul1: @nutrich good teams? erm… ๐Ÿ™‚ #eltchat
9:41 pm toulasklavou: how realistic is it to organise classes accord to real needs, therefore have successful lang classes? what’s the practice abroad? #eltchat
9:41 pm Marisa_C: @nutrich @Marisa_C @Fuertesun Right! The football team coach approach! Pep talks and you are good for something! #ELTchat #eltchat
9:41 pm nutrich: @Shaunwilden the spice of life!! ; ) #eltchat
9:41 pm MsAxthelm: Lingo here calls these “sponge activities” RT @Marisa_C: Have a box of little extra whatsits for early finishers #ELTchat #eltchat
9:41 pm janetbianchini: A solution to teaching mixed abilities – great post I found earlierย http://tinyurl.com/5tf9ecg #eltchat
9:41 pm cgoodey: RT @cerirhiannon: design open ended tasks that can be answered at sentence or text level (spoken or written) battle is to get all 2 stretch #eltchat #eltchat
9:41 pm grahamstanley: RT @janetbianchini: A solution to teaching mixed abilities – great post I found earlierhttp://tinyurl.com/5tf9ecg #eltchat
9:42 pm lolonagi: RT @janetbianchini: A solution to teaching mixed abilities – great post I found earlierhttp://tinyurl.com/5tf9ecg #eltchat
9:42 pm educationland: RT @toulasklavou: how realistic is it to organise classes accord to real needs, therefore have successful lang classes? what’s the practice abroad? #eltchat
9:42 pm shaznosel: @nutrich @Marisa_C #ELTCHAT. how to handle the bad management is the question..
9:42 pm cioccas: @toulasklavou We try, but needs & abilities so varied, and depends on numbers #eltchat
9:42 pm nutrich: @Marisa_C @Fuertesun I like it, the ‘Coach Approach’! #eltchat
9:43 pm A_Grundtvig: How a mixed ability class of YLs made a nationย http://bit.ly/ihMXzZ #eltchat
9:43 pm MsAxthelm: RT @cerirhiannon: design open ended tasks that can be answered at sentence or text level battle is to get all 2 stretch #eltchat #eltchat
9:43 pm cerirhiannon: pitching the class against an external exam – how can we *beat* it together? foster group responsibility #eltchat #eltchat
9:43 pm NoraTouparlaki: RT @janetbianchini: A solution to teaching mixed abilities – great post I found earlierhttp://tinyurl.com/5tf9ecg #eltchat
9:43 pm theteacherjames: @toulasklavou Mixed by level, not by age – This is what happens with adults (in theory). Why not kids? #eltchat
9:44 pm Fuertesun: @theteacherjames U r talking about alanguage school? #eltchat
9:44 pm adricarv: RT @janetbianchini A solution to teaching mixed abilities – great post I found earlierhttp://tinyurl.com/5tf9ecg #eltchat
9:44 pm toulasklavou: @Fuertesun @shaznosel agree with Shaz, teens aren’t so mature to accept diff treatment, they think sth goes wrong #eltchat
9:44 pm lolonagi: http://www.onlinecollegeguru.com/blog/education/100-sponge-activities-2/ sponge activities #eltchat
9:44 pm cgoodey: @Marisa_C @shaznosel Or learners come to UK from all over to local limited provision so mixed levels in the same group #ELTchat
9:44 pm nutrich: @A_Grundtvig I remember being at one of your workshops on playland in Coimbra a few years back. Great stuff! #eltchat
9:44 pm cioccas: RT @toulasklavou: @Fuertesun @shaznosel agree with Shaz, teens aren’t so mature to accept diff treatment, they think sth goes wrong #eltchat
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9:44 pm cerirhiannon: RT @theteacherjames: @toulasklavou Mixed by level, not by age Why not kids?>cos cognitive dev’ment equally (if not +) imp #eltchat #eltchat
9:44 pm SueannaN: @cgoodey Hi Carol #ELTchat
9:44 pm cgoodey: RT @Shaunwilden: There’s lots of pairing strong with weak being talked about – why not pair the ‘weak’ with weak and strong with strong? #eltchat
9:45 pm Fuertesun: @toulasklavou but they need to learn so they need exposure to it surely? #eltchat
9:45 pm english4hr: RT @adricarv: RT @janetbianchini A solution to teaching mixed abilities – great post I found earlierhttp://tinyurl.com/5tf9ecg #eltchat
9:45 pm theteacherjames: @Fuertesun Any school where adults are learning they are grouped by ability not by age. #eltchat
9:45 pm cgoodey: @SueAnnan Hi there! Couldn’t get Tweetdeck to send my tweets for a while! #ELTchat
9:45 pm Shaunwilden: RT @theteacherjames: @toulasklavou Mixed by level, not by age – Why not kids? #eltchat lots of things cognitive development, maturity etc
9:45 pm shaznosel: #ELTCHAT Good management/coaching is what competitions are all about. So weaker ss can prove themselves in other areas..
9:45 pm SueannaN: @cgoodey tell me about it! Nightmare tonight #ELTchat
9:45 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cgoodey: RT @Shaunwilden: why not pair the weak with weak and strong with strong? > that too – variety imp – and task #eltchat
9:46 pm lolonagi: let’s try #eltchat
9:46 pm janetbianchini: Dealing with Difficulties – great book with lots of practical ideasย http://tinyurl.com/63z3washttp://tinyurl.com/63z3was #eltchat
9:46 pm MsAxthelm: #eltchat I can say the music video where Ss choose song and acted out lyrics worked really well – Some did figurative lang bet than others
9:46 pm Fuertesun: @theteacherjames yes apart from some schools where they have over 50s and over 60s groups.. #eltchat
9:46 pm toulasklavou: @theteacherjames This is utopia 4 us!so is teaching successful? #eltchat
9:46 pm Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon sure but same level pairings all the time also discriminatory IMOHO #eltchat
9:46 pm lolonagi: whe, teetdeck is working #eltchat
9:46 pm theteacherjames: @sirkenrobinson talks about this industrial approach to education. We put kids together by date of manufacture, not by ability etc. #eltchat
9:46 pm cgoodey: RT @cerirhiannon: use readers -ss read at own level – discuss stories & reactions 2different stories – all have a reason to contribute #eltchat #eltchat
9:46 pm educationland: Teaching Mixed Ability Language Coursesย http://t.co/Gm7lIYP #ELTchat
9:46 pm MsAxthelm: @toulasklavou frustrating! #eltchat
9:46 pm nutrich: Always important to not always think of strong and weak in terms of language – there are other things to consider #eltchat
9:46 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon sure but same level pairings all the time also discriminatory IMOHO #eltchat totally agree!!
9:46 pm MsAxthelm: RT @cioccas: @Shaunwilden Agree re varying the pairing, and can work to pair strong writing w weaker speaking and vice versa #eltchat
9:47 pm cioccas: RT @nutrich: Always important to not always think of strong and weak in terms of language – there are other things to consider #eltchat
9:47 pm cerirhiannon: yeah!!! tweetdeck working :)) #eltchat
9:47 pm Shaunwilden: RT @nutrich: Always imp to not always think of strong and weak in terms of language – there are other things to consider #eltchat So true
9:47 pm Marisa_C: RT @cerirhiannon: yeah!!! tweetdeck working :)) #eltchat
9:47 pm Fuertesun: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @nutrich: Always imp to not always think of strong and weak in terms of language – there are other things to consider #eltchat So true
9:47 pm waykatewit: RT @nutrich: Always important to not always think of strong and weak in terms of language – there are other things to consider #eltchat
9:48 pm MsAxthelm: #eltchat Anyone use leveled books of same story to then discuss/compare? How did that go?
9:48 pm toulasklavou: @Fuertesun can’t do otherwise! #eltchat
9:48 pm bcnpaul1: RT @theteacherjames: @toulasklavou Mixed by level, not by age – Why not kids? #eltchat lots of things cognitive development, maturity etc
9:48 pm juandoming: {TITLE}ย http://t.co/SUEQKNN #juandon #elearning #edtech #edchat #education #eltchat #lrnchat#learning #web20
9:48 pm janetbianchini: In mill drills / melees / mingles all students can work at own pace and learn accordingly – no stress and great for the teacher #eltchat
9:48 pm Fuertesun: @MsAxthelm do you mean diff level graded readers? #eltchat
9:49 pm theteacherjames: @toulasklavou I don’t teach kids, so I don’t know. But why not aim high? #eltchat
9:49 pm Fuertesun: RT @janetbianchini: In mill drills / melees / mingles all students can work at own pace and learn accordingly – no stress and great for the teacher #eltchat
9:49 pm janetbianchini: Dictagloss activities can be adapted for different levels #eltchat Same text, different levels
9:49 pm MsAxthelm: @toulasklavou Expected, bu always difficult. #eltchat
9:50 pm nutrich: Has anybody mentioned graded homework and fast-finisher tasks? If not, I just did! #eltchat
9:50 pm Marisa_C: If Ss mature enough/adults I think it’s a good idea to confront the issue and tell them that is is normal and expected #ELTchat
9:50 pm theteacherjames: RT @janetbianchini: Dictagloss activities can be adapted for different levels #eltchat Same text, different levels #eltchat
9:50 pm lolonagi: so peer coaching, varying activities, using different books, to help diff Ss in dff. levels #eltchat
9:50 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: If Ss mature enough/adults I think it’s a good idea to confront the issue and tell them that is is normal and expected #ELTchat
9:50 pm sandymillin: RT @Marisa_C: If Ss mature enough/adults I think it’s a good idea to confront the issue and tell them that is is normal and expected #ELTchat
9:50 pm janetbianchini: @theteacherjames Yes. Always aim higher rather than lower as that is challenging for everyone #eltchat
9:50 pm nutrich: Has anybody mentioned graded homework and fast-finisher tasks? If not, I just did! Also, open-ended, personalised tasks for hwk. #eltchat
9:50 pm Marisa_C: RT @theteacherjames: RT @janetbianchini: Dictagloss activities can be adapted for different levels #eltchat Sa? (cont)ย http://deck.ly/~CaLua
9:51 pm MsAxthelm: @Fuertesun Yeah, same story, different reading level. #eltchat
9:51 pm lauraesol: #ELTchat Sorry unable to tweet. When I worked in the community, it was always mixed ability and socialising was most important for the ss
9:51 pm Fuertesun: @MsAxthelm never tried it but good idea #eltchat
9:51 pm toulasklavou: Is it given that no matter what, some will be winners and some other losers re how much they’ve learnt? #eltchat
9:51 pm Beyza: RT @ISILBOY: RT @ErenNesrin: You?ve Got Mailย http://bit.ly/gOSEwE #ELTChat #ELT
9:51 pm cerirhiannon: RT @nutrich: Has anybody mentioned graded homework and fast-finisher tasks? If not, I just did! Also, open-ended, personalised tasks for hwk. #eltchat
9:51 pm Marisa_C: @theteacherjames one group with lots of gaps another with fewer a third group with a blank sheet for dictogloss? #eltchat
9:51 pm cioccas: @theteacherjames @janetbianchini: Dictagloss activities with pairs of strong writing + strong listening Ss work very well #eltchat
9:51 pm waykatewit: don’t we need the weaker ss to eventually catch up with the stronger ones? different tasks mean the strong necome stronger #Eltchat
9:51 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: If Ss mature enough/adults I think it’s a good idea to confront the issue and tell them that is is normal and expected #ELTchat
9:51 pm shaznosel: #eltchat Feedback/planning/flexibility – guess I could manage a football team!
9:51 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C yes works well #eltchat
9:52 pm nutrich: RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames one group with lots of gaps another with fewer a third group with a blank sheet for dictogloss? #eltchat
9:52 pm bcnpaul1: RT @shaznosel: #eltchat Feedback/planning/flexibility – guess I could manage a football team!
9:52 pm grahamstanley: interesting advice here on adapting materials for mixed ability classes @TeachingEnglish site too:http://tinyurl.com/6ct9byw #eltchat
9:52 pm janetbianchini: Find someone who activities also work wonders – everyone is involved whatever the level. If weaker ss only ask a few ss, no problem #eltchat
9:52 pm MsAxthelm: @cerirhiannon I could see how using different stories/retelling could be awesome. #eltchat
9:52 pm theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Now that’s an idea I like. Or different level ability pairs working together. #eltchat
9:52 pm cerirhiannon: RT @waykatewit: need the weaker ss to eventually catch up with the stronger ones?#Eltchat > catch up maybe no – improve to own abilities yes
9:52 pm waykatewit: RT @nutrich: Has anybody mentioned graded homework and fast-finisher tasks? If not, I just did! Also, open-ended, personalised tasks for hwk. #eltchat
9:52 pm bcnpaul1: RT @grahamstanley: interesting advice here on adapting materials for mixed ability classes :http://tinyurl.com/6ct9byw #eltchat
9:53 pm cioccas: RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames one group with lots of gaps another with fewer a third group with a blank sheet for dictogloss? #eltchat
9:53 pm SueannaN: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @grahamstanley: interesting advice here on adapting materials for mixed ability classes :ย http://tinyurl.com/6ct9byw #eltchat
9:53 pm sandymillin: RT @waykatewit: don’t we need the weaker ss to eventually catch up with the stronger ones? different tasks mean the strong necome stronger #Eltchat
9:53 pm lolonagi: http://bit.ly/gA3Nyu find this wiki for more activities on teaching #eltchat
9:53 pm Marisa_C: Has anyone ever trying giving the same text simplified for weaker Ss – untampered for Stronger Ss? #Eltchat
9:53 pm Fuertesun: RT @waykatewit: don’t we need the weaker ss to eventually catch up with the stronger ones? different tasks mean the strong necome stronger #Eltchat
9:53 pm Marisa_C: RT @lolonagi:ย http://bit.ly/gA3Nyu find this wiki for more activities on teaching #eltchat
9:53 pm cerirhiannon: @MsAxthelm trying to set up a library plus online book club for next year – everyone reads – but at own pace and level #eltchat
9:53 pm MsAxthelm: @janetbianchini Tx! #eltchat
9:53 pm SueannaN: @Marisa_C yes. did something similar the other day. It worked well #Eltchat
9:54 pm janetbianchini: RT @Marisa_C: Has anyone ever trying giving the same text simplified for weaker Ss – untampered for Stronger Ss? #Eltchat
9:54 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Marisa_C: anyone tried the same text simplified for weaker Ss – untampered for Stronger Ss? #Eltchat > yes. onestopenglish news articles
9:54 pm shaznosel: @toulasklavou #eltchat – sad but true
9:54 pm Fuertesun: @bcnpaul1 yes they’re good #Eltchat
9:54 pm MsAxthelm: RT @nutrich: Always important to not always think of strong and weak in terms of language – there are other things to consider #eltchat
9:55 pm alanmtait: Pairwork for mixed ability. Also bonds Ss socially ๐Ÿ™‚ #eltchat
9:55 pm arganasta_: RT @Marisa_C: RT @lolonagi:ย http://bit.ly/gA3Nyu find this wiki for more activities on teaching #eltchat
9:55 pm janetbianchini: The Guardian MIxed Ability works for everyoneย http://tinyurl.com/5t4x64k #eltchat reading for later ๐Ÿ™‚
9:55 pm grahamstanley: RT @Marisa_C: Has anyone ever given the same text simplified for weaker Ss – untampered for Stronger Ss? #Eltchat > I like it but extra work
9:55 pm waykatewit: #Eltchat @cerirhiannon some of my students (provided the graded homework and indiv.apprc. did catch up (partially)
9:55 pm lauraesol: #ELTchat Listening tasks work with words to delete for some and gap fill for others
9:55 pm MsAxthelm: @cerirhiannon Nice – I am working on that, too. I am currently looking for graphic novels. #eltchat
9:55 pm theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Similar – I let Ss bring a text, then skim the others from the class and pick 1 at a level they were comfortable with. #eltchat
9:56 pm theteacherjames: @grahamstanley Then get the students to choose the texts! Worked great for me. #eltchat
9:56 pm cgoodey: Important to try to recognise all Ss’ strengths & preferred ways of learning. Point out what they’ve done well, personal progress. #eltchat
9:56 pm janetbianchini: We have 5 mins left! #eltchat Any links to solutions and tips??
9:56 pm MsAxthelm: @Fuertesun I don’t know if it is or not – I will let you know! (Worried about confidence issues…) #eltchat
9:56 pm waykatewit: #Eltchat @Marisa_C got the weaker re-visit the same text at home – helps
9:56 pm Marisa_C: How do you treat error correction and marking? Do you mark everyone same way? Are you more or less tolerant of error? #ELTchat
9:56 pm cerirhiannon: @MsAxthelm nice, I have to work with the resources within the school – tho hoping for a small budget if it goes well! #eltchat
9:56 pm Fuertesun: RT @Marisa_C: How do you treat error correction and marking? Do you mark everyone same way? Are you more or less tolerant of error? #ELTchat
9:57 pm sandymillin: RT @janetbianchini: We have 5 mins left! #eltchat Any links to solutions and tips?? <just realised I spent most of it lurking!
9:57 pm lolonagi: @Marisa_C great q in the last couple of mins ๐Ÿ™‚ #eltchat
9:57 pm sandymillin: RT @waykatewit: #Eltchat @Marisa_C got the weaker re-visit the same text at home – helps
9:57 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C Good Q harder on those that I know can #ELTchat
9:57 pm MsAxthelm: @cerirhiannon I have found online books a great resource – even manga out there. #eltchat
9:57 pm cerirhiannon: @Marisa_C mark to student’s level – degree to which they’re pushing themselves – also measured against past work #eltchat
9:57 pm nutrich: @educationland @MsAxthelm Such as tech ability in computer work, or artistic ability in project tasks… #eltchat
9:57 pm cgoodey: RT @cerirhiannon: @Marisa_C mark to student’s level – degree to which they’re pushing themselves – also measured against past work #eltchat
9:58 pm Marisa_C: Or how do you differentiate support e,g, in a speaking activity can weaker Ss get a small ‘language box” for help? #ELTchat
9:58 pm theteacherjames: @Marisa_C By reading the text, you should be able to identify the kind & amount of feedback the writer needs. #eltchat
9:58 pm Fuertesun: @Marisa_C at the end of the day they have to pass the same exam #ELTchat
9:58 pm cerirhiannon: @MsAxthelm gonna try to go down that road with our online reading club #eltchat
9:58 pm lolonagi: RT @Marisa_C: Or how do you differentiate support e,g, in a speaking activity can weaker Ss get a small ‘language box” for help? #ELTchat
9:58 pm janetbianchini: Great ideas from onestopenglishย http://tinyurl.com/6j3aztf #eltchat
9:58 pm waykatewit: #Eltchat @Marisa_C no marking – am opposed to it. Peer correction (WeAKER correcting stronger) ^)
9:58 pm educationland: @Marisa_C Yes I follow the same criteria with all my students while I am correcting their errors .#ELTchat
9:58 pm toulasklavou: @shaznosel So what’s the point?to make the good ones better or the weak ones good? #eltchat
9:58 pm sandymillin: @Marisa_C I try to focus on the areas I know SS have trouble with e.g. spelling 4 one SS and perfect tenses for another #ELTchat
9:58 pm springrose12: @janetbianchini @Marisa_C This works, too #eltchathttp://www.teachingexpertise.com/articles/differentiation-some-practical-suggestions-2368
9:58 pm Marisa_C: RT @waykatewit: #Eltchat @Marisa_C no marking – am opposed to it. Peer correction (WeAKER correcting stronger) ^) > nice
9:58 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Fuertesun: @Marisa_C at the end of the day they have to pass the same exam #ELTchat > that’s sometimes the tragedy of it ๐Ÿ™
9:58 pm cioccas: @Marisa_C Error correction & feedback based on Ss ability in that skill, but we work on achieving competencies, not grades. #eltchat
9:59 pm A_Grundtvig: RT @Marisa_C: …giving the same text simplified for weaker Ss – untampered for Stronger Ss? #EltchatI really like that idea
9:59 pm Shaunwilden: RT @cioccas: @Marisa_C Error correction & feedback based on Ss ability in that skill, but we work on achieving competencies, not grades. #eltchat
9:59 pm nutrich: This is a good graded song listening site, lyrics training – three different levels –ย http://bit.ly/9kQwqg#eltchat
9:59 pm Marisa_C: RT @springrose12: @janetbianchini @Marisa_C This works, too #eltchat http://bit.ly/eHPGrJ > good link
9:59 pm waykatewit: @toulasklavou @shaznosel #Eltchat both ๐Ÿ™‚
9:59 pm janetbianchini: RT @nutrich: This is a good graded song listening site, lyrics training – three different levels –http://bit.ly/9kQwqg #eltchat
9:59 pm bcnpaul1: @Marisa_C I think its worth weaker sts knowing they’re weaker (in a nice way) so correction is the same. #eltchat
10:00 pm theteacherjames: I don’t correct. I help the students correct themselves, and then give feedback. #eltchat
10:00 pm janetbianchini: @springrose12 Thanks for sharing – will look at it after #eltchat
10:00 pm adricarv: Jigsaw reading activities in mixed ability classes:ย http://bit.ly/6RKlDp #eltchat
10:00 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 I agree – “confronting the issue” is a good idea – in a nice way as you say #eltchat
10:00 pm Marisa_C: RT @adricarv: Jigsaw reading activities in mixed ability classes:ย http://bit.ly/6RKlDp #eltchat
10:00 pm annabooklover: @Marisa_C #ELTchat sorry I missed most interesting topic! will make some comments on the run
10:01 pm janetbianchini: RT @Marisa_C: RT @adricarv: Jigsaw reading activities in mixed ability classes:ย http://bit.ly/6RKlDp#eltchat
10:01 pm lauraesol: @Shaunwilden Weaker students sometimes need that bit extra praise to build confidence #eltchat
10:01 pm annabooklover: #ELTchat Very tolerant of errors that don’t hinder meaning and communication
10:01 pm nutrich: We do have to consider that ss may have very diff. levels across the different skills – e.g. good at speaking, terrible at writing #eltchat
10:01 pm cioccas: RT @theteacherjames: … help the students correct themselves & then give feedback #eltchat <develop Ss self-correcting ability from day 1
10:01 pm Marisa_C: Can’t believe it’s 12 already and we were just getting warmed up! #ELTchat
10:01 pm theteacherjames: RT @annabooklover: #ELTchat Very tolerant of errors that dont hinder meaning and communication #eltchat
10:01 pm lolonagi: RT @Marisa_C: Can’t believe it’s 12 already and we were just getting warmed up! #ELTchat yes me 2 ๐Ÿ™‚
10:01 pm A_Grundtvig: #Eltchat I enjoyed this too, I’ll be looking out for future chat sessions
10:02 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: Can’t believe it’s 12 already and we were just getting warmed up! #ELTchat > I blame the fail whale ๐Ÿ˜‰
10:02 pm SueannaN: Thanks for another interesting #ELTchat. Great Moderators as usual – shame about the tweet issues
10:02 pm Fuertesun: RT @SueannaN: Thanks for another interesting #ELTchat. Great Moderators as usual – shame about the tweet issues
10:02 pm lolonagi: we have just started to get the juice out ๐Ÿ™‚ #eltchat
10:02 pm bcnpaul1: RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: Can’t believe it’s 12 already and we were just getting warmed up! #ELTchat > I blame the fail whale ๐Ÿ˜‰
10:02 pm cioccas: RT @nutrich: … ss may have very diff. levels across the different skills – e.g. good at speaking, terrible at writing #eltchat < always!
10:02 pm A_Grundtvig: Night all #Eltchat
10:02 pm Shaunwilden: RT @lauraesol: Weaker sts s/times need that bit extra praise to build confidence #eltchat true &stronger can do with the extra challenge
10:02 pm yohimar: @Marisa_C it depends on my sts level. Sometimes i am more tolerant with beginners! #EltChat
10:02 pm Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon I blame the fail whale too – was a bit incoherent at the top of the chat #ELTchat

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